Fenlon for Dundee United?

[Boo_Boy]

Does anyone actually think that?:confused:

Have you seen how many steps there will be on the way into the Aviva?

His little legs would not be able to handle it.

[SkStu]

balls.

[Longfordian]

I'd actually suggest changing the thread title to Fenlon/O'Neill for Dundee United?. Or even Bohs v. Rovers, who's better?.

[VinnyDCFC]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/dundee-united/148189-dundee-united-to-speak-to-pat-fenlon-over-managers-job/

Dundee United to speak to Pat Fenlon over manager's job

Bohemians have given their manager permission to speak to the SPL club, subject to a financial agreement should he take the United job.

Dundee United have made an approach for Bohemians manager Pat Fenlon to take over at Tannadice, STV Sport understands. The Irish League champions, who won their second consecutive league crown under Fenlon in November, have agreed the Scottish clubs request, subject to a financial package being negotiated should United choose to offer him the job.

Fenlon has now been installed as the front runner in the race to replace now Scotland manager Craig Levein. Should he reject the chance to take his first managerial job away from the League of Ireland, United’s shortlist is also believed to comprise of Raith Rovers boss John McGlynn, former player Billy McKinlay - now coaching at Fulham - and Shamrock Rovers manager Michael O'Neill.

It is believed he held talks with United chairman Stephen Thompson in London on Monday and – with current caretaker Peter Houston having declared no interest in taking over the post – Fenlon is set to step in.
Former Chelsea trainee Fenlon, 40, started his managerial career with Shelbourne in 2002 and – after finishing second in his first season – took them to three league titles in the next four years.

He was tempted away by Derry City at the end of the 2006 season but lasted just five months in charge after a string of poor results and was replaced by former Hearts boss John Robertson.

Bohemians then approached him to become their manager at the end of 2007 and he had an instant impact, winning a league and cup double in 2008 and then reclaiming the league title last year.

During his time at Shelbourne, he took them to within one game of qualifying for the 2004 Uefa Champions League, defeating Croatian side Hajduk Split in the second qualifying round, setting up a game with La Liga side Deportivo La Coruna. The Shels then recorded a remarkable 0-0 draw with the Spaniards in the home leg, before Depor won 3-0 in the return leg.

Fenlon was previously linked with replacing Paul Lambert in the Livingston job in 2006 but was pipped by Robertson, his successor at Derry.


Last updated: 05 January 2010, 14:42

[Kildareman]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/bohemians-boss-targeted-dundee-utd-553141

Looks like Bohs will be looking for a new manager.

Is there not someone in Cork/Malta looking around thats not under any contract...????????:rolleyes:

[SkStu]

first ive heard...

[pineapple stu]

Already being discussed. (http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=129855) Thread moved. And thread title updated.

[HarpoJoyce]

I understand the film Face/Off is an edited version of this recruitment process.

[This is not the thread I posted in.]

[dcfcsteve]

It would be a pretty decent stamp for the LOI if he did go to Dundee United. They're a club with a strong tradition and decent financial set up, that they are interested in signing him makes our league look better, if only a little.

I can't agree with your logic here.

Did the transfers of Roy Keane, Paul McGrath etc make the league look any better in real terms ? Did people start *****ing up their ears to our league once McCourt, Doyle and Fahey appeared in Britain ?

Even if we could bask in reflected glory from such a managerial move, it would pale into complete insignificance next to the steamy pile of poo the league has managed to get itself into over the last 12 months.

It'll take more than a little known LOI manager joining a make-weight Scottish club for the LOI to look good I'm afraid.

[Jicked]

Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
for a man who is regarded by many as a future Ireland manager.
Does anyone actually think that?

I do love the way the Scottish press have mentioned his U-23 Irish job as a sign of his 'international experience' rather than suggesting he knows how to organise a week long tapping-up fest!

Would be a hammer blow to Bohs to lose Fenlon at this stage of the pre-season. Very few good managerial options in Ireland, they'd really have to look abroad to find a top class manager in the way Rovers did, and with the uncertainty surrounding their set-up it would be extremely difficult to convince such a coach of moving country for the medium term in the way Rovers could with MON.
I'd expect Paul Cook to be linked with the job (though I don't rate him at all, he'd be a respectable enough name to present when there's very few of those even in the LoI, and has shown at Sligo he's ok at working within a sometimes ambiguous budget) Bohs to look in-house for a replacement which is a big gamble, and a player-manager didn't work out too well for them last time out.

However i have a hunch Fenlon will stay at Bohs.

[PartySaint]

I do love the way the Scottish press have mentioned his U-23 Irish job as a sign of his 'international experience' rather than suggesting he knows how to organise a week long tapping-up fest!


Did Graham Barrett help him out with that??

[John83]

RTE have picked up on this, and mention a figure of "over €280,000" as the fee Bohs are looking for.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0105/fenlonp.html

[SkStu]

its 250stg apparently (in case anyone was thinking that e280 was a bit of a random amount)

[CSFShels]

That said, Fenlon is worth much more than that to Bohs, but can't keep a man there who wants to leave, especially after what he has done for the club.

[placid casual]

If Fenlon does go to dundee utd( i personally think its unlikely) would Liam O'Brien take over.
i'm led to believe he is well respected in bohs circles and could lead the team? what do the bohs fans think?

[Block G Raptor]

i'm led to believe he is well respected in bohs circles and could lead the team? what do the bohs fans think?

I'd have to say yes to O'Brien. in two spells at bohs he's won 2 doubles 1 league and a league cup. while he was away after his first spell we won nothing

[Ezeikial]

As much as I intensely dislike Fenlon for his snide arrogance, his constant whinging and moaning, his hypocritical rants about demanding respect for him and his team (while displaying little for others), I have no doubt that he is the best manager in the league. His record of success is unequalled -admitedly with huge budgetry advantages at Shels and Bohs.

Good luck to him if gets the job.

[Dyl10]

If Fenlon can't buy up all the best players in the league, he'll fail.
There's my 2 cent

[dcfcsteve]

As much as I intensely dislike Fenlon for his snide arrogance, his constant whinging and moaning, his hypocritical rants about demanding respect for him and his team (while displaying little for others),

You forgot to mention that weird cold sore/pox he always has on the left-hand corner of his bottom lip, that he just can't stop himself from biting..... :D

[**FrOsTy**]

Not 100% sure here. Would Fenlon to Dundee go down as a transfer?

What would happen if Bohs happened to be still under the embargo?

[John83]

Not 100% sure here. Would Fenlon to Dundee go down as a transfer?

What would happen if Bohs happened to be still under the embargo?
You can sell players under those embargoes - just not sign anyone - so it's not relevent.

[**FrOsTy**]

Ah I see. Cheers for clearing that up.

[marinobohs]

As much as I intensely dislike Fenlon for his snide arrogance, his constant whinging and moaning, his hypocritical rants about demanding respect for him and his team (while displaying little for others), I have no doubt that he is the best manager in the league. His record of success is unequalled -admitedly with huge budgetry advantages at Shels and Bohs.

Good luck to him if gets the job.

Just before Christmas the FAI bean counters published the salary levels for the 2008 season (perhaps someone has a link) this showed that Bohs had the FOURTH yes, FOURTH highest wage bill in the Premier Division - after Drogs, Pats & Cork (leaving aside Derrys underestimation of wages) - result, Bohs won the League by 19 points and an FAI Cup. Not my idea of "huge budgetry advantage" but hey, lets not worry about a little thing like facts :rolleyes:

[The Betting Man]

However i have a hunch Fenlon will stay at Bohs.

For once I hope a Rovers fan is right

[dcfc1928]

"Get back to Scotland where you belong, you'll not be missed" or words to that effect were ranted by Stuart Byrne when Shelbourne won the league under Nutsy in reference to Stephen Kenny.

These would echo my exact thoughts towards Fenlon. The sooner this bitter wee moaning c*nt is gone from our league the better. Fenlon has no class or humility so good riddance.

It's interesting to note that when people talk about his record they fail to mention the absolute mess he made with Derry. He didn't make one decent signing out of about 9 or 10 players, remember the great Ola Tidman, the keeper who never played for us (maybe one game against Cork when we were stuffed 4-0 I think) but who was contracted to us for 2 years on massive wages. That's an example of the legacy he left us with.

[pineapple stu]

Tidman played against Cork alright. Live on telly too. (Was it 4-1 it ended?) Even I still chuckle at that one.

[marinobohs]

"Get back to Scotland where you belong, you'll not be missed" or words to that effect were ranted by Stuart Byrne when Shelbourne won the league under Nutsy in reference to Stephen Kenny.

These would echo my exact thoughts towards Fenlon. The sooner this bitter wee moaning c*nt is gone from our league the better. Fenlon has no class or humility so good riddance.

It's interesting to note that when people talk about his record they fail to mention the absolute mess he made with Derry. He didn't make one decent signing out of about 9 or 10 players, remember the great Ola Tidman, the keeper who never played for us (maybe one game against Cork when we were stuffed 4-0 I think) but who was contracted to us for 2 years on massive wages. That's an example of the legacy he left us with.

The irony here is classic ! Please, Please tell me you were serious :D:D

[gufc2000]

Tranmere and Motherwell join Fenlon chase http://www.eleven-a-side.com/loi/news.asp?n=37834

[garyderry]

The irony here is classic ! Please, Please tell me you were serious :D:D

I dont see the irony,
great to see the back of him :D

[LeixlipRed]

I love how Derry fans and Shels fans to a certain extent can blame Fenlon for contractual/wages/monetary issues at their clubs. It's Fenlon's fault we didn't pay tax, Fenlon's fault we gave these players stupid contracts. Fenlon's fault I needed to go to a loan shark for christmas. Get over it lads.

[garyderry]

I love how Derry fans and Shels fans to a certain extent can blame Fenlon for contractual/wages/monetary issues at their clubs. It's Fenlon's fault we didn't pay tax, Fenlon's fault we gave these players stupid contracts. Fenlon's fault I needed to go to a loan shark for christmas. Get over it lads.

What Fenlon did at derry was sign a load of useless muppets,

on stupid money (yes the board should never have let him pay the wages out, but would have been less of an issue if any of them had seen a football before, never mind kick one before),
we were then stuck with these so called players on long term contracts who were no use to any club trying to compete in the premier when he ran back to Dublin crying.

That was not his habit at shels or Bohs. In general he signed fairly decent \ the better \ best players around the league with the odd exception.

[dcfc1928]

Thats not hard to explain. Its easy to attract players to Dublin because its a vibrant, cosmopolotan European capital. Its much harder to attract players to Derry becasue its a bombed out hovel.

Can't blame Fenlon because he had to pay a fortune to get anyone to move to Derry.

Wow, you're insight is amazing. :rolleyes:

[Quadruple1928]

He was a success at Dublins second and third biggest clubs and a failure in a small provincial town. Thats indisputible.

Are you actually saying pats are the biggest team from Dublin:eek: granted after Bohs and shels they won more than the other Dublin clubs, UCD,fingal but come on now don't be stupid.

[dcfcsteve]

Just before Christmas the FAI bean counters published the salary levels for the 2008 season (perhaps someone has a link) this showed that Bohs had the FOURTH yes, FOURTH highest wage bill in the Premier Division - after Drogs, Pats & Cork (leaving aside Derrys underestimation of wages) - result, Bohs won the League by 19 points and an FAI Cup. Not my idea of "huge budgetry advantage" but hey, lets not worry about a little thing like facts :rolleyes:

Did those wage figures for Bohs cover only footballing wages, or certain players rather passive 'additional' roles for the club, such as barmen, groundskeepers, youth trainers, window cleaners, fluffers etc....?

[SkStu]

Are you actually saying pats are the biggest team from Dublin:eek: granted after Bohs and shels they won more than the other Dublin clubs, UCD,fingal but come on now don't be stupid.

epic lawlz. :D

[A N Mouse]

He was a success at Dublins second and third biggest clubs and a failure in a small provincial town. Thats indisputible.

Whereas Dundee is...

[Jicked]

While Comical Gerry is giving interviews to extratime.ie saying he expects Fenlon to stay, it now seems a deal has been reached with Fenlon and he is to be confirmed as Dundee Utd's boss in the morning. I'm looking forward to Gerry trying to convince everyone he got the €280,000 compo for Fenlon too :D

[stovelid]

If Nutsy is heading over to Scotland, it's a real shame he can't get his hands on some good, cheap, free agent players that he has a good relationship wi.......oh.

[SkStu]

While Comical Gerry is giving interviews to extratime.ie saying he expects Fenlon to stay, it now seems a deal has been reached with Fenlon and he is to be confirmed as Dundee Utd's boss in the morning. I'm looking forward to Gerry trying to convince everyone he got the €280,000 compo for Fenlon too :D

reports on BBC that the figure we're looking for is stg350k. I doubt its that much myself.

I appreciate your just taking a cheap shot and all Jicked but do you not think its a good thing for the league in general that Bohs will take a stand on this and get that message out there (in some form) that clubs looking for talent (be it managers or players) from Ireland for nothing or next to nothing can think again.

Of course it helps that Pat is under contract and we are in a position to do so. But ive always said it is something that all the clubs in the League desperately need to improve on.

He's on his way back to Dublin too by the sounds of things with no contract signed.

I think he will go though.

[Jicked]

Taking a stand is one thing, but expecting them to pay Bohemians the same as what the SFA paid for an international manager is ridiculous. Besides, yet again you can't take anything you hear from the Bohemian board at face value as

"jim spence on radio scotland saying compo now to be sorted and it wont be nearly as high as quoted due to fenlons contract not quite being what it seemed."

[SkStu]

Taking a stand is one thing, but expecting them to pay Bohemians the same as what the SFA paid for an international manager is ridiculous.

its a starting point - if you have ever been involved in negotiations at a professional level, you would know that strategically you go in at your top line.


"jim spence on radio scotland saying compo now to be sorted and it wont be nearly as high as quoted due to fenlons contract not quite being what it seemed."

Just DU playing the same game as Bohs and pandering to their fans a bit if you ask me.

[dcfc1928]

Taking a stand is one thing, but expecting them to pay Bohemians the same as what the SFA paid for an international manager is ridiculous. Besides, yet again you can't take anything you hear from the Bohemian board at face value as

"jim spence on radio scotland saying compo now to be sorted and it wont be nearly as high as quoted due to fenlons contract not quite being what it seemed."

Iintriguing....

[Jicked]

its a starting point - if you have ever been involved in negotiations at a professional level, you would know that strategically you go in at your top line.
It seems to come from Homer Simpson's school of negotiating: http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season13/blame5.mp3

I'd wonder how professional it is to begin negotiations with a ridiculous figure that is a laughing stock, rather than begin focussing on what's an achievable realistic goal.




Just DU playing the same game as Bohs and pandering to their fans a bit if you ask me.
With the way Bohs has been run in recent seasons I'd be more inclined to believe Dundee Utd rather than Gerry Conway who hasn't really had much of a clue thus far in this episode. Its been a bit of shambles, with a few untruths knocking around, like an awful lot thats come out of Dalyer recently.

For what its worth there was a post on the srfcultrasforum earlier today from a user who seems fairly clued up, setting out the details of what Fenlon was busy negotiating (deal was agreed in principle, Fenlon wanted a 3 and half year deal, DU wanted 2 and a half, though a compromise was expected) when Conway was claiming to know nothing of the deal. He then mentions how Fenlon is owed back money and bonuses and that as such asking for €280k is absolutely ridiculous.

Now obviously that can be dismissed as mere rumour, but the Rovers forum has had a lot of leaks from Dalyer that have later proved true, generally speaking the 'rumours' on there seem to come from people relatively in the know once you filter out the junk written by 15 year olds.
Then there's also the fact that Fenlon still plays 'seniors' football with a Rovers fans team, so presumably has a lot of friends/contacts. Hardly beyond belief that a friend of a friend would hear something...
Going by that and just how specific that post was (if you read it it seemed pretty particular) that may be the background behind DU announcing hours later on radio that there was something amiss with the Bohs/Fenlon contract.

[SkStu]

congrats on being so well connected Jicked. I was just presenting what i thought was a possibility based on what i know. You have heard or read different (though its all really rumour at the end of the day). I have no doubt there is a possibility that Bohs have screwed up. It wouldnt be the first time. Most reasonable Bohs fans would acknowledge that. We'll see.


I'd wonder how professional it is to begin negotiations with a ridiculous figure that is a laughing stock, rather than begin focussing on what's an achievable realistic goal.

i do it for a living and, trust me, if i went in to a meeting with figures that were "achievable and realistic" i'd be laughed out of the room and fired afterwards.

[RoversHead]

If you went into the boardroom at Dalymount with figures that were realistic and achievable you certainly would be laughed out and fired:D

[SkStu]

If you went into the boardroom at Dalymount with figures that were realistic and achievable you certainly would be laughed out and fired:D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/1186778344_5022d04a8e.jpg

he's here all week folks!

[VinnyDCFC]

Very short piece from BBC Scotland tonight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8444591.stm

[Jicked]

British press reporting it as a done deal with compo to be sorted out tomorrow
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/2797862/Pats-magic.html
Thats Bohs pre-season buggered :)

Also from the same article


But DundeeUnited hope to get him for NOTHING amid talk of Fenlon being owed bonuses from cash-strapped Bohs.

Fenlon - the second most successful manager in Irish football history - informed the Bohemians board last night that he was accepting the United post.

It's thought he may simply write off any debts to make a clean break.

If a quick release agreement is struck he'll formally become United's new boss by the weekend.

Non-payment of bonuses. Do any of the SCP brains know if that would affect Bohs moving forward with licencing next week?

[Longfordian]

Interesting. Hope he does well. How well would Craig Levein know him to give him a "glowing recommendation"?. Suppose he may have met him a few times over the years at games etc but they wouldn't have worked together?. Sean Dillon will be pleased I'd say, the only player who'd know Fenlon well.

[blue til i die]

The club apparently believed they would get their man for nothing or next to it as journalists in Scotland were told Fenlon would be free to walk away from his current position on the basis that delays in paying him some money owed to him amounted to a breach of contract.


This is disputed by Bohemians officials who maintain verbal agreements had been reached with regard to a schedule for any payments due


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0107/1224261820790.html