"A skinny rat, a skinny little rat"

[Drumcondra 69er]

Cascarino!!!!!!
Tony Cascarino!!!! :D :D :D


The only club he was anything even approaching a success, was Milwall, and guess where Eamon was also a success as a footballer......yep...you guessed it!!!

Your a howl mate!!!

Marsielles fans would beg to differ.

[Crosby87]

When I first saw this thread title just now i thought for sure it was going to be about SI.
Im actually relieved.

I think Dunphy and Hunt should have it out in a cage match.

[Stuttgart88]

Shaking my head....let it go mate...let it go....its been 7 years.....:rolleyes:Good lord man, don't be so sensitive - and inaccurate. Any rational man can understand that Keane was a legendary player but also one who seems unable to understand how to get less gifted players to play consistently well. 100% objective comment.

Maybe you should let it go.

[an_ceannaire]

Good lord man, don't be so sensitive - and inaccurate. Any rational man can understand that Keane was a legendary player but also one who seems unable to understand how to get less gifted players to play consistently well. 100% objective comment.

Maybe you should let it go.


Your right to be fair.....apologies stutts

[an_ceannaire]

Marsielles fans would beg to differ.

when they were in the second tier of French football 69er...soon as they got promoted he was sent packing to Nancy...where the injections stopped coming ;)

[Stuttgart88]

He's saying that often it is those who were not the very best players who make good critics...and coaches.

Mourinho, Ferguson, Moyes, Wenger and on and on and one.

I could cite Maradona as an example of the other way around but that'd be unfair. He's probably too extreme a case in point to be relevant.

Of course there are good players who make good coaches. Guardiola for example. McCarthy is an interesting case study: technically limited player who coaches attacking football. In a way this supports my argument that less gifted players understand how things work, the importance of simplicity, showing for the ball etc.

[Stuttgart88]

Your right to be fair.....apologies stuttsNo probs man. We're on the one road...

[Polster]

Thank god most hunt bashers on here weren't around when our country was fighting for freedom. So many high standing pillars of the community here that jump at a lad for speaking up and saying what most people agree with. I like to listen to dunphy and giles, they are unpredictable which can be interesting and more so fun in my eyes, if you don't take them to serious. But I think its about time someone put it to eamo in a language he understands, more power to you hunty.

And for everyone on here writing him off as a nothing footballer, he has been as good as most in this campaign, another fine assist on Saturday. He demonstrates passion and pride in the jersey that we don't always see from all quarters within the squad, including some senior players.

I'm sure he is a good lad to have in the squad, as he is loud and desperate to succeed, and that can only be a positive thing.

Give the lad a break.

[SuperDave]

Cascarino!!!!!!
Tony Cascarino!!!! :D :D :D


The only club he was anything even approaching a success, was Milwall, and guess where Eamon was also a success as a footballer......yep...you guessed it!!!

Your a howl mate!!!

61 league goals in 84 games in Ligue 2 for Marseille..... it was over one third of their goals in those two seasons!

And before you say he was a flat track bully, he also scored 15 goals for Nancy in a season where they were relegated from Ligue 1.

France was where he was a success, not England.

[Drumcondra 69er]

when they were in the second tier of French football 69er...soon as they got promoted he was sent packing to Nancy...where the injections stopped coming ;)

Regardless of the division they were in he was undoubtedly a success which contradicts your original point. Being a bit of a pedant here I know!

[SuperDave]

...and coaches.

Mourinho, Ferguson, Moyes, Wenger and on and on and one.

I could cite Maradona as an example of the other way around but that'd be unfair. He's probably too extreme a case in point to be relevant.

Of course there are good players who make good coaches. Guardiola for example. McCarthy is an interesting case study: technically limited player who coaches attacking football. In a way this supports my argument that less gifted players understand how things work, the importance of simplicity, showing for the ball etc.

em.... 170 league goals in 319 games, most of them in the scottish top flight when it meant something, and only 25 of the 170 for Rangers, the rest for smaller clubs? Hmmmm.....

[an_ceannaire]

Regardless of the division they were in he was undoubtedly a success which contradicts your original point. Being a bit of a pedant here I know!

Here, I'll buy ya a pint :D

[Stuttgart88]

em.... 170 league goals in 319 games, most of them in the scottish top flight when it meant something, and only 25 of the 170 for Rangers, the rest for smaller clubs? Hmmmm.....ok, point taken on Ferguson. I was always under the impression that he was a decent but unremarkable player in his day. I'm still happy to stand behind the original assertion though.

[Kingdom]

Marsielles fans would beg to differ.

As would Nancy fans, he was banging them in there too if I remember correctly.

[Emmet7]

Brian Clough was a brillant player scoring something like 300 goals in 350 top flight appearances before getting injured at a young age.

Bobby Charlton was largely a failure as a manager.

Trapattoni was a good player noted for his marking ability but he was hardly a great player. He was probably similar to Michael Essien or someone like that. He was given the job of marking Eusebio in one match. He also played for Italy in a world cup.

Some great players turn out to be great managers. The vast majority of great players flop as managers. And most of the great managers were average players.

I personally think it's to do with how articulate someone is or forceful. Mourinho is very articulate. You have to admire Trap for communicating his message while struggling with a foreign language. Wenger is articulate and intelligent enough. Clough and Fersuson are or were forceful.

Then you have great players who don't know how to talk about the game.

[SuperDave]

Brian Clough was a brillant player scoring something like 300 goals in 350 top flight appearances before getting injured at a young age.

Bobby Charlton was largely a failure as a manager.

Trapattoni was a good player noted for his marking ability but he was hardly a great player. He was probably similar to Michael Essien or someone like that. He was given the job of marking Eusebio in one match. He also played for Italy in a world cup.

Some great players turn out to be great managers. The vast majority of great players flop as managers. And most of the great managers were average players.

Only because there are so few great players and so few great managers.

I don't think there is any real link here. It all depends on the personality of those involved.

[noddy102]

Brian Clough was a brillant player scoring something like 300 goals in 350 top flight appearances before getting injured at a young age.

For the love of God, would you please stop digging a hole.

Brian Clough did not play a single game in the top flight aka. old Division One.

[1895ringsend]

I think Dunphy has been looking for a reaction from trap in the same way Charlton used to get into public slagging matches with him and its not gonna happen. Trap has managed the Italian national team, most of the big clubs in Italy and bayern munich not to mention big clubs in portugal and Austria! Most of these positions particulary the ones in Italy and Germany are preasure cookers and the media are far more intense than anything Dunphy can throw at him. Their bigger jobs. Plus he dose'nt even live here so its water off a ducks back and Dunphy knows that and i'm sure it annoys him.

Dunphy wanted a reaction and he got one in Hunts comments. He's back in the spotlight again and RTEs ratings will be up now on wens night. Hes a comedy act who changes his opinion on teams and players all the time and i think ya have to take him for what he is and thats a clown who plays to the camera. People let him get into their heads and in this case hunt has stupidly given his senses.

Do agree with the poster that said the bandwagoners who only follow Ireland when they win, slag them when they lose and are ingnorant to the league of ireland are the only ones that listen to him because their sheep and have very little knowledge of the world game anyway bar 3 0r 4 teams in that disneyland league across the water.

[back of the net]

I appreciate Dunphy is an analyst and gets paid to give his view , if i felt that the view he gave about the irish performance was not him been a vindictive pr*ck then fair enough but Hunt (although he may not be the smartest tool in the tool box) is passionate about playing for ireland like every other player that wore that green jersey on saturday night and im sure to hear dunphy's comments after such an emotional night where the lads gave it everything must have been infuriating to him and team.

Im not saying hunts comments were right, what i am saying after such an atmospheric and passionate night in croker on saturday i can somewhat understand why he said it

[stevieontour]

Normally I'd say Hunt was out of line, but what Dunphy said post-Italy was probably as close to treason as you can go without being strung up.

Absolutely dire.

I'm all about criticism when it's required, but there wasn't much to criticize on Saturday. There were more positives than negatives, despite the sour taste a lot of us felt, and to say what he said was downright unpatriotic.

He's got an agenda as we all know, but it has nothing to do with the success of the Irish national football team.

Dirty rat is bang on the mark. Get him off the air.

Dunphy is paid to speak his mind ... which I admire.

But I'm impressed with Hunt here. He has proved to me that the team are behind Trap. To me that is a fantastic result.
Hunt is a player who gives 100% every time for Ireland.

Previously I was in the Stephen Ireland camp .. but come on guys ... any of us who played in any team knows that every teams needs a siege mentality.

I want this Irish team to go as far as possible in the World cup .. all the time frustrating the football purist.

[Scram]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
The Hunts do appear like hillbillies even though I admire their tenacity.

Surely something like “Anyone taking Eamonn seriously should be locked up, he’s RTE football punditry’s version of Ryanair’s O’Leary” and just laughed it off, would have been more reasonable?…making Dunphy look like the fool instead of vice versa.


Absolutely correct but Hunt likes the limelight too.

Yes, it's a family thing, just like his bro trying to steal Robbie's goal!

[tetsujin1979]

Cascarino!!!!!!
Tony Cascarino!!!! :D :D :D

The only club he was anything even approaching a success, was Milwall, and guess where Eamon was also a success as a footballer......yep...you guessed it!!!

Your a howl mate!!!
fairly solid scoring rate at the end of his career at Marseille and Nancy

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didn't read the whole thread, this was mentioned and debated a few times already

[Noelys Guitar]

At what time will the pen fly across the studio on Wednesday evening?

[Den Perry]

Thank god most hunt bashers on here weren't around when our country was fighting for freedom. So many high standing pillars of the community here that jump at a lad for speaking up and saying what most people agree with. I like to listen to dunphy and giles, they are unpredictable which can be interesting and more so fun in my eyes, if you don't take them to serious. But I think its about time someone put it to eamo in a language he understands, more power to you hunty.

And for everyone on here writing him off as a nothing footballer, he has been as good as most in this campaign, another fine assist on Saturday. He demonstrates passion and pride in the jersey that we don't always see from all quarters within the squad, including some senior players.

I'm sure he is a good lad to have in the squad, as he is loud and desperate to succeed, and that can only be a positive thing.

Give the lad a break.

For the love of God.....

[paul_oshea]

Absolutely correct but Hunt likes the limelight too.

no its not, michael oleary whether we want to agree or not, has done a lot of good for this country and those of us who travel too....

[co. down green]

Fair play to Hunt, i know he can be vocal at times but glad to see the him show the balls to have a go at the cretin Dunphy.

There are plenty of Dunphy types round the country who for some perverse reason would rather see the manager and team fail.

[magnumpi]

this is the same eamon dunphy who hailed the arrival of trapattoni as the greatest thing to happen in irish soccer in years, and yet now has the audacity to criticise the man who has won more in european football than any other manager, because he's refusing to pick an average player like andy reid?

the guy is a joke. i'm glad i go to the games and don't have to listen to him, but it annoys me that other people have to. / that he gets paid.

[geysir]

I'd say Hunt will get a few good resounding cheers tomorrow evening.

[Scram]

I'd say Hunt will get a few good resounding cheers tomorrow evening.

Yes he sure will, should be amusing...and spur him on to try and take about 4 Montenegroens on down the wing...with a 50% chance of success and 50% chance of giving the ball up and leaving us wide open.

One of the things I like about Hunt is you just know the Engerrlish (EPL) "fans" hate him as do a lot of opposing teams so you love to see him wind them up…but, Stephen…PLEASE shut the f*(k up!!!

[Emmet7]

I suspect the Irish players don't read or listen to Dunphy but are made aware of what he says by friends and family.

When Dunphy says the Irish performance against Italy was a disgrace, who is he criticising? Is he criticising the players who gave 110% throughout the match?

When someone makes out it was a bad performance, you are criticising the players, whether you like it or not.

It's just dumb to blame the manager for everything while saying the players are great. The players and manager have to take equal responsibility for a win, lose or draw.

So I'd say the players take criticism of the team's performance very personally.

[Brendan 82]

This thread is as ridiculous as Dunphy. Anyone who knew about Trap and European football knew that he would be defensive, that we would draw games, win games 1-0, be rather boring, but ultimately grind out some good results and possibly get to a major tournament. So his tenure is proceeding in the manner that any informed observer would have expected.

This team was a shambles. So bereft of any confidence. After the 5-2 drubbing in Cyprus I wondered if our days as a relativley successfull soccer nation were over. Look at us now; to suggest that this incredible turnaround is not due to the improvement in management would be a gross denial of.... REALITY.

Stephen Hunt has always spoken his mind and given his all on the pitch for Ireland. That, no one can deny. That is really all that matters to me.

[Emmet7]

At what time will the pen fly across the studio on Wednesday evening?

Probably when we are 3 or 4 nil up. At the end of the game he will say something like that was the worst Irish performance ever.

It just makes no sense to play open expansive 'total' football where the players express themselves. They are good players but they aren't Gallactico's. It's also pointless to have creative players like Andy Reid, if you don't have grafters to win the ball back or stop the other team playing.

I suspect the Irish team would be torn to shreds as happened with the second Italian goal, if we played anything other than a tight, defensive game. Previous managers, Kerr and Stauntan tried to play positive football. Kerr had some success but we conceded important goals which cost us a play-off place.

At the end of the day the draws against Italy home and away and the away draw against Bulgaria were vital to our qualification. It's a results driven business and no-one remembers the teams who played nice football but lost.

[an_ceannaire]

This thread is as ridiculous as Dunphy. Anyone who knew about Trap and European football knew that he would be defensive, that we would draw games, win games 1-0, be rather boring, but ultimately grind out some good results and possibly get to a major tournament. So his tenure is proceeding in the manner that any informed observer would have expected.

This team was a shambles. So bereft of any confidence. After the 5-2 drubbing in Cyprus I wondered if our days as a relativley successfull soccer nation were over. Look at us now; to suggest that this incredible turnaround is not due to the improvement in management would be a gross denial of.... REALITY.

Stephen Hunt has always spoken his mind and given his all on the pitch for Ireland. That, no one can deny. That is really all that matters to me.


Doesnt change the fact that he is an utter toolbox :rolleyes:

[SwanVsDalton]

Head says: "Don't like Hunt much and he's a fool - have not liked the man since he got needlessly sent off in Prague for running around like a headcase. He should learn to let his football do the talking and not be running his mouth. Pointless comments."

Heart says: 'TAKE THAT DUNPHY YA BRAINLESS ****, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR BEING SUCH AN CONTRARY P****K. WELL SAID HUNTY YOUR A TRUE IRISHMAN AND A WONDERFUL STRIKER OF THE SET PIECE NOT TO MENTION A VITAL COG IN OUR WORLD CUP MACHINE, WE'RE ALL GOING TO SOUTH AFRICA LALALALALA..."

[KK77]

When did he play at Man Utd?

Dunphy signed as a schoolboy with Man Utd, as have thousands of other kids.

He didn't play one senior match with Man Utd, not one.

He was let go because Busby saw he was not up to it.

He plied his trade as a journey man pro in the old Division Two mainly, in and out of teams.

He never played a first division game. He never played in a world cup. He never played in a European club competition. He never played at the top level of club soccer or an international tournament.

I know that shouldn't disqualify anyone, but he's talking from a theoretical viewpoint when he talks about the top level. He thinks beating the Italians, Germans, etc is easy. He thinks we have world class players.

The guy is completely deluded.

Correct on Dunphy with Utd. As Big Jack said in 1990 "Dunphy has about as much relevence as a fly on a wall"!!!!!!!!

[DeLorean]

Correct on Dunphy with Utd.

Yes, Dunphy never played with United. I thought he had a few games for them but obviously knew he didn't make it there or anything. Lets go back a few pages and I'll enter Millwall where Man Utd was...I still think it will probably hold up as i dare suggest it's a considerably higher level than any of us, which was the main point I was making to Emmet7.

[Den Perry]

Thank god most hunt bashers on here weren't around when our country was fighting for freedom. So many high standing pillars of the community here that jump at a lad for speaking up and saying what most people agree with. I like to listen to dunphy and giles, they are unpredictable which can be interesting and more so fun in my eyes, if you don't take them to serious. But I think its about time someone put it to eamo in a language he understands, more power to you hunty.

And for everyone on here writing him off as a nothing footballer, he has been as good as most in this campaign, another fine assist on Saturday. He demonstrates passion and pride in the jersey that we don't always see from all quarters within the squad, including some senior players.

I'm sure he is a good lad to have in the squad, as he is loud and desperate to succeed, and that can only be a positive thing.

Give the lad a break.

Ok, name the players in the squad, including the senior players who don't have Hunt's "passion and pride"....what total and utter bull

Just because he talks ****e and runs around (aimlessly most of the time) does not mean he is more passionate...

[Brendan 82]

Doesnt change the fact that he is an utter toolbox :rolleyes:

Oh

And you seem like a great guy to have a pint with:(

[KK77]

This thread is as ridiculous as Dunphy. Anyone who knew about Trap and European football knew that he would be defensive, that we would draw games, win games 1-0, be rather boring, but ultimately grind out some good results and possibly get to a major tournament. So his tenure is proceeding in the manner that any informed observer would have expected.

This team was a shambles. So bereft of any confidence. After the 5-2 drubbing in Cyprus I wondered if our days as a relativley successfull soccer nation were over. Look at us now; to suggest that this incredible turnaround is not due to the improvement in management would be a gross denial of.... REALITY.

Stephen Hunt has always spoken his mind and given his all on the pitch for Ireland. That, no one can deny. That is really all that matters to me.


Doesnt change the fact that he is an utter toolbox :rolleyes:

Not pushed on Hunt myself but fair play to him for saying what he said. Dunphy is attacking Trap from all angles over his style of play yet when it came down to Trap or EL-Tel when Bill posed the question to Dunphy that Trap was a negative manager he tore Bill apart saying he was not negative and his cv shows that. Now all of a sudden Trap is negative something of course Eamo told us he wasn't two years back. He will always find something to stir sh1t to keep BRAND Dunphy on the go.

[seanfhear]

It will be interesting to see if Dumby can take it as well as he can dish it out.

How often in life do you see some Gob****e dish out a load of ******** only to get all defensive when its returned.

Having said that this has fallen into Dumbys and RTEs lap and is a bit of a godsend

Some one once said that "there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not been talked about"

[Brendan 82]

"I don't read my press, I weigh it."

Oscar Wilde

[SkStu]

while i agree with everything Hunt has said and absolutely despise Dunphy, i cant help but feel it would have been better if he had said nothing at all and let the football do the talking. This just feeds the massive ego already in residence in the RTE football studios.

[Stuttgart88]

I think Trap could eat Dunphy for breakfast if he wanted to. I'd say he couldn't be arsed and if anything is using Dunphy to motivate the players.

[seanfhear]

I think Trap could eat Dunphy for breakfast if he wanted to. I'd say he couldn't be arsed and if anything is using Dunphy to motivate the players.
Trap should treat Dumby as an irrelevance.

For Trap to acknowledge Dumby would be a wet dream for Dumby.

[geysir]

It will be interesting to see if Dumby can take it as well as he can dish it out.

How often in life do you see some Gob****e dish out a load of ******** only to get all defensive when its returned.

Or to get all spineless when confronted directly by the target of one of his vindictive rants. Who can forget his squeamish brown nosing of the journalist Liddle when confronted directly on national radio the next day.

[Stuttgart88]

Who can forget his squeamish brown nosing of the journalist Liddle when confronted directly on national radio the next day.eh, me?

[soccerboy]

cant believe rte are using my tv license money to pay someone like dunphy,he is a pathetic little man,attention seeking and his behaviour is vile at the best of times,if he was working on any of the british broadcasters they would have got rid of him by now.....he talks complete nonsense just to be headlining and spectacular...he is a skinny rat!!i too believe trap wouldnt stoop so low as to recognise an idiot like him,he has far too much class to get involved with this loser....!!

[paul_oshea]

If hunty could have stepped back from the situation a little, he was rather articulate there, he knows why dunphy does what he does, trap is no enemy of dunphys, dunphy just has found his scapegoat like he did with keane in saipan, and its now andy reid. He will harp on about this for an age, to sell papers, increase his rateability etc etc. IT really is mind numbingly obvious, it even annoys me that i have posted on it here and that this thread has 5 pages.

As i said hunt knew the reason for dunphy doing it, so it should have played a little reverse psychology, laughed and said eamon is great isn't he, great entertainment value and laughed it all off, and said something like "but no one takes him seriouslly." or "no one has taken him serious for years". He would have come across far better, and def have gotten one up on Eamonn. Thats how I would have liked to have seen him play it. IT would let dunphy know that people dont really take him seriouslly anymore and more importantly that the players or management dont take him seroiuslly. Unfortunately hunty was too close to the situation, he knew why dunphy did it yet fell into the trap. Tis a pity. With one simple sentence dunphy could hvae been shut up for a long time.

[Emmet7]

I think Bill O'Herlihy and John Giles are getting off lightly in all of this.

It's Bill who feeds Dunphy the questions and gets him into a state. And John agrees with almost everything Dunphy says.

Dunphy is only feeding off Giles and Giles' long held view that Giles and Giles alone should be Ireland manager for life.

[Scram]

If hunty could have stepped back from the situation a little, he was rather articulate there, he knows why dunphy does what he does, trap is no enemy of dunphys, dunphy just has found his scapegoat like he did with keane in saipan, and its now andy reid. He will harp on about this for an age, to sell papers, increase his rateability etc etc. IT really is mind numbingly obvious, it even annoys me that i have posted on it here and that this thread has 5 pages.

As i said hunt knew the reason for dunphy doing it, so it should have played a little reverse psychology, laughed and said eamon is great isn't he, great entertainment value and laughed it all off, and said something like "but no one takes him seriouslly." or "no one has taken him serious for years". He would have come across far better, and def have gotten one up on Eamonn. Thats how I would have liked to have seen him play it. IT would let dunphy know that people dont really take him seriouslly anymore and more importantly that the players or management dont take him seroiuslly. Unfortunately hunty was too close to the situation, he knew why dunphy did it yet fell into the trap. Tis a pity. With one simple sentence dunphy could hvae been shut up for a long time.

Absolutely, but I can't help feeling that perhaps the Hunts aren't the sharpest tools in the dressing room ! ;)