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dantheman
12/10/2010, 5:59 PM
Great hard earned away point for Team 18.75%!

Charlie Darwin
12/10/2010, 6:01 PM
So Kerr is actually British by way of the granny rule. This changes everything.

IsMiseSean
12/10/2010, 10:01 PM
Kerr looked so delighted after that, fist-pumping and everything.

Well done Brian and the Faroe lads.... And BONUS I had the draw backed!!

Fixer82
12/10/2010, 10:35 PM
Well done Brian and the Faroe lads.... And BONUS I had the draw backed!!

Yep so did I. Was delighted to see them get a result after the British comments

Worthington is a tw@t!

IsMiseSean
12/10/2010, 10:55 PM
British comments

Which comments were these?? Didn't hear anything about it....

elroy
12/10/2010, 11:07 PM
Well done BK, the guy should still be involved in the Irish set up in some shape or form imo.

What are NI like??! I raised the point in one of the nordies thread not that long ago how NI are a strange bunch and must be very frustrating to follow. They have an incredible record against top teams but then turn around and put in terrible performances against weaker nations. I was rubbished by one of the nordies at the time but this is case in point. They did something similar a while back when after some great results against Spain and Sweden I think it was, they were genuinely in contention in the run in and went and were well beaten by Iceland.

geysir
12/10/2010, 11:13 PM
They get humped so often by Iceland, it hurts my ribs.

Fixer82
12/10/2010, 11:46 PM
Here ya go. This is it:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2010/1009/1224280732262.html

geysir
13/10/2010, 12:01 AM
You guys are way off the scent.
Look on your own doorstep (http://foot.ie/threads/132063-Player-eligibility-row?p=1411458&viewfull=1#post1411458)

ifk101
13/10/2010, 10:05 AM
It was hardly a surprising result for the North. They play the same brand of football as the Faroes. NI is capable of getting results against stronger teams because of this. But when the onus is of them to play the football, they struggle. That's why good results against stronger teams will be followed up by defeats to teams like Iceland, Latvia and draws to the likes of the Faroe Islands. It's extremely difficult to switch from an ultra-defensive mentality as was the case against Italy to a more, positive attacking mentality as was required against the Faroes.

geysir
13/10/2010, 11:24 AM
The Faroes actually looked a little off-colour yesterday :)

What an almighty cóck-up by a couple of NI players for the Faroe goal.

ifk101
13/10/2010, 11:35 AM
It was a defensive mix-up for the North's goal as well. You can't be allowing lads to dribble across the defensive line like that.

geysir
13/10/2010, 12:10 PM
The goals (http://eurorivals.net/faroe-islands:northern-ireland-highlights-goals-video_20101012.html)

The Faroese nr7 was very sluggish and should have been closer to Lafferty when he received the pass.

Gather round
13/10/2010, 3:35 PM
It was hardly a surprising result for the North. They play the same brand of football as the Faroes. NI is capable of getting results against stronger teams because of this. But when the onus is of them to play the football, they struggle. That's why good results against stronger teams will be followed up by defeats to teams like Iceland, Latvia and draws to the likes of the Faroe Islands. It's extremely difficult to switch from an ultra-defensive mentality as was the case against Italy to a more, positive attacking mentality as was required against the Faroes

Afternoon all. The best thing about that farce was that I missed the TV coverage thanks to a power cut. Small mercies etc. :rolleyes:

You're broadly right about the defensive mentality, although of the games mentioned above we defended in Iceland and Latvia because in practice they were at least as good technically, and physically prepared to get stuck. Because we had to, basically.

It's a surprise if not a major shock, because I imagine our guys were looking to get a goal ahead as early as possible- like in recent games against San Marino and Liechtenstein- then play out the rest of the game at walking pace.

Fair dos to the Faroes and Brian Kerr, they deserved that.

PS I take my hat off to your prediction that Montenegro would do well this time, made before the series started. Hopefully your bookie gave good odds?

head the ball
13/10/2010, 7:30 PM
Just like to say that as a Irish supporter I would like to congratulate one of our own Brian Kerr and the Faroe Islands for putting one over on our local pesty neighbours up the road!
About time they were taken down a peg or two.
Brian obviously made an extra special effort for this one!

Stuttgart88
13/10/2010, 8:39 PM
Just watched the highlights on SKY. NI missed a hatful of decent chances. Hard to tell how well they played in general play but even if it wasn't good there were enough clear chances to win. Football's mad. I don't like it much at the moment. Ballet or art sound like much more appealing interests. I don't think you ever go to a gallery and come home not knowing whether to laugh or cry. Ireland, Arsenal, Shamrock Rovers. What a rubbish month. Why wasn't I born in Argentina? Good at footy and rugby, hot birds, cool colours and you don't get riduculed for having long hair (which I had once).

tetsujin1979
13/10/2010, 10:22 PM
you don't get ridiculed for having hair (which I had once).
fixed that for you ;)

geysir
13/10/2010, 10:50 PM
That was good fix.


I am really enjoying the Rovers wobble. Iceland u21s win through to the last 8 in Europe, a real triumph for exciting skillful football, nourished indoors in the winter:). Ireland at the crossroads - reading the map - not yet that lost but could go a number of ways.

EalingGreen
14/10/2010, 12:28 PM
It was hardly a surprising result for the North. They play the same brand of football as the Faroes. NI is capable of getting results against stronger teams because of this. But when the onus is of them to play the football, they struggle. That's why good results against stronger teams will be followed up by defeats to teams like Iceland, Latvia and draws to the likes of the Faroe Islands. It's extremely difficult to switch from an ultra-defensive mentality as was the case against Italy to a more, positive attacking mentality as was required against the Faroes.

I must say, I admire your ability to keep so up-to-date with both the NI and Faroes teams, in order to be able to make a statement like that (bold).

You see, I have only been watching the NI team live, so do not pretend to know too much about the Faroes. May we take it that with the NI team having generally transformed its style of play from pressing/territory under Sanchez, to a more passing/possession game under Worthington, that the Faroes are afficionados of the latter under Kerr?

Or might it be that you're just spouting garbage, from an ill-informed, even prejudiced standpoint?

You see, NI did not adopt an "ultra-defensive mentality" versus Italy. Rather NW picked a clear 4-4-2 formation, including two out-and-out striikers (Healy and Feeney) to start versus Italy. Further, when he made changes midway in the second half, it was to bring on a 6'4" target man (Lafferty) and a flying winger (McGinn), in place of a striker and a midfielder. Considering we were still at 0-0, these are hardly the actions of an "ultra-defensive" manager (imo).

Of course, as it turned out, Italy had more of the game and more chances. However, that was essentially because in Pirlo, they had the games outstanding player pulling the strings in midfield. Nonetheless, the reason it finished 0-0 was both because Italy came to Belfast with a cautious (though not especially defensive) approach, out of respect for NI's home record and also because NI's finishing was (typically) wayward. We were also denied at least one clear penalty.

Indeed, from an Italian perspective, it is telling (imo) that the opening sentence of La Gazetto Della Sport's
match report was as follows:
"Although this time around Prandelli's side didn't win, the goalless draw in Belfast against Northern Ireland was not a write-off, because the Italian team minimised their risks on a pitch where teams like England and Spain have recently lost".
And the final sentence was:
"In any case we should be satisfied"
http://english.gazzetta.it/Football/08-10-2010/borriello-missed-italy-goalless-but-still-atop-group-c-711403542664.shtml

As for the Faroes debacle, the reason we only drew was absolutely nothing to do with respective playing styles. Rather, if looked at from a "narrow" perspective, a neutral might argue that NI were very unlucky. For instance, the Faroes had 5 goal attempts in the entire game, whilst NI had 22 (12 on target). Faroes had one corner, NI had 8. Faroes had 3 bookings, NI had one. And Faroes committed 17 fouls, whereas NI committed 12.

As a fan who has been watching the team for nearly 40 years before, however, I prefer to take a "wider" perspective. In other words, regardless of how well or badly the team was performing, who the manager was or what style of play we were adopting etc, the explanation is actually quite simple: we are never comfortable psychologically in games against "minnows" whom we are expected to beat easily.

This is common throughout sport, where it is invariably easier eg to enter the last bend of a race on the shoulder of the leader than in the lead, or to pick up a couple of shots on the final day of a golf major, than hold a lead right through from the first or second day.

In NI's case, we frequently "fall between two stools" against this type of opposition. The first approach is to grant them no respect and just pile in on them. Of course, this makes the opposition's task straightforward i.e. just defend and try to hit them on the break.

Alternatively, you may accord them equal respect to any other opponent and just play your normal game. Of course, the danger there is that the opposition is first comfortable, then becomes confident, so long as they don't concede an early goal. Then, should the opposition get the first goal, perhaps following an NI error (as happened on Tuesday), NI risk panicking that there won't be enough time left to turn it around.

That is my take on what happened versus the Faroes - after all, it has happened before and no doubt it will happen again. However, the more important lesson (imo) is that an occasional blip such as that need not derail the team's chances of qualifying etc, since it is so rare that we face teams whom we might term "minnows". Indeed the way other results are turning out in the Group, I certainly see that being the case this time around.

Indeed, if when the Draw was made, we had been offered 5 points from our first three games - two away and the home against the best team - 90% of NI fans would have accepted in a heartbeat. And that is what we have now got, with Italy likely to run away with 1st place, Serbia in severe danger of imploding, Slovenia proving curiously inconsistent and Estonia taking points from our other contenders. In that context, i do not greatly begrudge the Faroes their point against us and who knows, maybe they'll take another one off someone before the Group is over?

Onwards and Upwards!

EalingGreen
14/10/2010, 12:37 PM
Just watched the highlights on SKY. NI missed a hatful of decent chances. Hard to tell how well they played in general play but even if it wasn't good there were enough clear chances to win.Indeed.


Football's mad.It was ever thus.

For instance, I came away from the Italy game feeling slightly disappointed we didn't win, despite Italy being the better side, with more possession, territory and chances etc

Yet for the Faroes, despite our having overwhelmingly more possession, territory and chances, i didn't feel "robbed" that we only came away with a draw.

All in all, it's one of the things which makes football the greatest game in the world.

EalingGreen
14/10/2010, 1:04 PM
well done to the British manager.I assume you are referring to NW's description of BK as being "British".

I saw that reported in one or two papers, yet one paper I read quite clearly quoted NW as having said Kerr is a "British-style manager".

I suspect the explanation is that NW clearly meant "British-style", but said "British" and only one or two reporters corrected his slip of the tongue.

In any case, Kerr clearly harbours no grudges (or NW), since Kerr and his (Irish) Assistant both hitched a ride on the IFA charter flight back to Belfast after the game!

Apparently they were very appreciative for a two hour flight direct to Ireland and an hour and a bit by road to Dublin, since their normal schedule involves a flight to Copenhagen, followed by a five hour layover before a connecting flight to Dublin.

paul_oshea
14/10/2010, 1:12 PM
Just watched the highlights on SKY. NI missed a hatful of decent chances. Hard to tell how well they played in general play but even if it wasn't good there were enough clear chances to win. Football's mad. I don't like it much at the moment. Ballet or art sound like much more appealing interests. I don't think you ever go to a gallery and come home not knowing whether to laugh or cry. Ireland, Arsenal, Shamrock Rovers. What a rubbish month. Why wasn't I born in Argentina? Good at footy and rugby, hot birds, cool colours and you don't get riduculed for having long hair (which I had once).

until you had none stutts :P

ifk101
14/10/2010, 1:22 PM
I must say, I admire your ability to keep so up-to-date with both the NI and Faroes teams, in order to be able to make a statement like that (bold).

Let's see. I follow the fortunes of my near neighbours in NI and I'm interested to know how former Irish manager Brian Kerr and his assistant Johnny McDonnell are getting on. Both Kerr and McDonnell are two high profile names in LOI football so perhaps you might be able to fathom where my interest in the Faroes is coming from.


You see, I have only been watching the NI team live

We'll disregard your comments about the Faroes then.



even prejudiced standpoint?

Explain.



You see, NI did not adopt an "ultra-defensive mentality" versus Italy.

NI had 5 centre halves by trade on the field against Italy. Both central midfielders (Davis and Baird) played extremely deep. Feeney played more as a midfielder than a striker. Ultra defensive tactics for a team playing at home in other words.



As for the Faroes debacle, the reason we only drew was absolutely nothing to do with respective playing styles. Rather, if looked at from a "narrow" perspective, a neutral might argue that NI were very unlucky.

On the contrary, I thought the Faroes were unlucky not to win.


whom we are expected to beat easily.

The result wasn't a surprise to anyone who had watched the Faroes and NI play in recent times.

geysir
14/10/2010, 1:24 PM
until you had none stutts :P

He has plenty of hair pulling reasons - hard to say what comes first, his golf, following Ireland or watching Rovers do their Devon Loch ... again?

Stuttgart88
14/10/2010, 3:29 PM
I assume you are referring to NW's description of BK as being "British".I was, and point taken about the rest though it's barely a big deal either way.

EalingGreen
14/10/2010, 5:06 PM
Let's see. I follow the fortunes of my near neighbours in NI and I'm interested to know how former Irish manager Brian Kerr and his assistant Johnny McDonnell are getting on. Both Kerr and McDonnell are two high profile names in LOI football so perhaps you might be able to fathom where my interest in the Faroes is coming from.
I possibly watch at least as much football as you, both live and on TV etc. I have taken more of an interest in the Faroes than usual since we drew them.

Yet whilst I eg saw Slovakia live twice in the last couple of years, and took an interest in their WC progress in SA, I wouldn't presume to be an expert on their tactics etc, nor would I presume to comment on them here re their games against you, other than in the most general of terms (eg don't underestimate them etc).

Of course, it may be that you have a superior understanding of such matters than the average poster like myself, but I personally don't see much evidence of it - at least when appraising teams with whom I am very familiar, such as NI.


We'll disregard your comments about the Faroes then. My comment about having watched NI play live, home and away, for nearly 40 years was actually comparing your (self-assumed) knowledge of the NI team versus mine.

I'd like to think I know a bit about the Faroes, too, but I don't come on here bumming about it like you do. (Like the "we" btw - speak for everyone do you? Or is that the "Royal We"?)


Explain.Simple. It is clear from your frequent posts on anything to do with the NI team that you are rather less well-disposed towards them than eg the average foot.ie poster who, in my experience, is normally fairly reasonable*. I have concluded, therefore, that you are prejudiced towards the team.

* - That is where they have a view at all - many don't particularly.


NI had 5 centre halves by trade on the field against Italy.Disingenuous - only two of them were playing at CB (Hughes and Craigan), with two more playing as orthodox Full Backs in a conventional 4-4-2. The fifth player, Chris Baird has not played regularly at CB for at least three seasons, since Sanchez/NI and Hodgson/Fulham converted him to Midfield, where he played at least 40 of his 52 appearances for Fulham last season (most of the rest were at Full Back). In fact, I'm pretty sure he didn't play CB more than 4 or 5 times the whole of the season and then only in emergency.
Nor has he played CB for NI since NW took over.

Both central midfielders (Davis and Baird) played extremely deep.Disingenuous again, since this ignores the other two midfielder in NI's 4-4-2, Brunt and McCann, both of whom were under clear instructions to try to get at Italy down the flanks, with crosses etc, rather than "tuck in" to defend the middle of the field. Had NW been defensive, he might easily have replaced one of them with eg Sammy Clingan. Alternatively, when making substitutions in the period when Italy were most on top (i.e. mid 2nd half), NW chose to bring on a striker (Lafferty) and a wee flying winger (McGinn) - hardly "ultra defensive".
And in any case, Davis got forward as often as he could, including a splendid 1-2 with McGinn, where had he gone down in the penalty area a la Robbie Keane, when nudged by his opponent, he might well have got a penalty. Instead he tried a shot, which forced a decent save from the keeper.
That was in the 90th minute, btw - hardly evidence of clinging on to a draw, is it?


Feeney played more as a midfielder than a striker.Not so. After the first 20-25 minutes, when Pirlo was beginning to shine, Feeney was instructed to drop deeper, both to try to disrupt him, but also to prevent our strikers from becoming too isolated from their midfield. (Both of them being short i.e. not target men, they were never going to win long balls out of defence when up against a giant Italian back four. Therefore NI were under clear instructions to try to pass their way up the field).
So 4-4-1-1 is hardly "ultra defensive", as you claimed. And in any case, when NW brought on two subs, NI wrested back a bit more territory and possession, allowing Feeney to play more forward again, alongside Lafferty.


Ultra defensive tactics for a team playing at home in other words. No, just in your words.
Playing eg 4-5-1, may sometimes be thought "defensive". Playing 4-6-0, as eg Craig Levein did in Prague, is "ultra defensive". Playing 4-4-2, as NW set out in Belfast, with the personnel employed to fill those places and the substitutions made, is most definitely NOT "ultra defensive".
Which is why eg, Prandelli made no mention of it, why La Gazetta (quoted earlier) made no mention of it, and why eg UEFA's official report, written by an Italian btw, made no mention of it:
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro2012/matches/season=2012/round=15171/match=2002176/postmatch/report/index.html

Quite simply, NI set out to try and attack Italy, they created a number of chances, but were forced on the defensive for periods of the game by the superior play of the Italians, especially the outstanding Pirlo. It is, quite frankly, bull s h i t to claim that NI were "ultra defensive"; I know, because I was there.
You, of course, were not. Therefore I can only conclude that your continuing effort to maintain this claim, in the face of all the facts, is yet more evidence of the prejudice by you towards NI, to which I alluded earlier.


On the contrary, I thought the Faroes were unlucky not to win.Really? That is hardly reflected in the official UEFA report on the match:
http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro2012/matches/season=2012/round=15171/match=2002193/postmatch/report/index.html#faroes+hold+northern+ireland
How do you account for the above, then?
For myself, whilst I do not begrudge the Faroes their well-earned point, it is, quite frankly, ludicrous to claim they ought to have won.
Or would you like to tell me how you managed to miss the 22 chances created by NI (12 on target btw), to the FI five? How do you explain NI getting 8 corners to FI one? Or the 3 FI bookings, to NI's one? The 17 to 12 foul count by FI? Unfortunately I don't have the stats for possession and territory, but I would be astonished if NI's count was less than 60% for both.
Therefore, I can only conclude that you were watching the game with the jaundiced eye that you reserve for all things NI.


The result wasn't a surprise to anyone who had watched the Faroes and NI play in recent times.May we take it that you "caned" the bookies then, who were offering very attractive odds on a Draw?

Although maybe you weren't expecting such generosity from them, seeing as they will have drawn up the odds in the light of having "watched the Faroes and NI play in recent times[sic]".

You know, the Faroe Islands team which had lost their recent two games 5-1 to Slovenia and 5-0 to Italy, as opposed to the NI team which had won 1-0 in Slovenia and drawn 0-0 with Italy.

No "surprise" there, then...

EalingGreen
14/10/2010, 5:12 PM
I was, and point taken about the rest though it's barely a big deal either way.Absolutely.

In fact, the obvious respect between the two opposing managers is much more noteworthy (sorry) than some slip of the tongue by one of them in a Press Conference in the run-up to the game.

The Fly
14/10/2010, 5:19 PM
In NI's case, we frequently "fall between two stools"

How true. :rolleyes:

EalingGreen
14/10/2010, 5:25 PM
How true.Yep, most frequently we fall between these two stools:

England:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:qE9ObwmXs5ddIM::images.spoof-media.com/thespoof/pdi/271206-4134FakePoo.jpg

ROI:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:qE9ObwmXs5ddIM::images.spoof-media.com/thespoof/pdi/271206-4134FakePoo.jpg

P.S. The above is a joke, btw, in case anyone starts feeling offended...

The Fly
14/10/2010, 5:49 PM
P.S. The above is a joke, btw, in case anyone starts feeling offended...

:poo:

SwanVsDalton
14/10/2010, 6:05 PM
P.S. The above is a joke, btw, in case anyone starts feeling offended...

I am offended, was just trying to eat a ham and cheese bap there...

geysir
14/10/2010, 6:29 PM
How true. :rolleyes:

Now, that's perception.
Very good.

The Fly
14/10/2010, 6:42 PM
Now, that's pearsheption.
Very good.

Fixed!

seanfhear
14/10/2010, 6:55 PM
Brian Kerr for England. It should make Nigel Worthington happy.

ifk101
14/10/2010, 7:16 PM
Simple. It is clear from your frequent posts on anything to do with the NI team that you are rather less well-disposed towards them than eg the average foot.ie poster who, in my experience, is normally fairly reasonable*. I have concluded, therefore, that you are prejudiced towards the team.

* - That is where they have a view at all - many don't particularly.

I don't have the time or energy to wade through the entirety of your waffle. But it's quite clear from the frequent of your posts on the NI team that you are OTT sensitive about any comment you perceive as putting a negative light on NI. I simply stated that in my opinion the North and Faroe Islands play a similar brand of ultra negative football. And I stand by that. Anybody that interested can simply watch the NI-Italy and NI-Faroes games and form their own opinions.

IsMiseSean
14/10/2010, 7:43 PM
May we take it that you "caned" the bookies then, who were offering very attractive odds on a Draw?


I did...

EalingGreen
15/10/2010, 2:38 PM
I don't have the time or energy to wade through the entirety of your waffle.Really? Or might it just be that your previous "evidence" having been exposed as nonsense, you don't have anything left, no matter how measly, to come back with?


But it's quite clear from the frequent of your posts on the NI team that you are OTT sensitive about any comment you perceive as putting a negative light on NI.I'm an NI fan, so I post on that topic. And when I see the team I support being unfairly criticised (imo), I defend them. That's how football mb's work.
If you (and one or two others) weren't so quick to "sink the boot in", I wouldn't feel inclined to reply so frequently.


I simply stated that in my opinion the North and Faroe Islands play a similar brand of ultra negative football. And I stand by that.Expressing an opinion is one thing. But when you insist on maintaining it, even in the face of (overwhelming) hard facts to the contrary, then you cease to hold an "opinion" and cross the line into prejudice. Again.


Anybody that interested can simply watch the NI-Italy and NI-Faroes games and form their own opinions.That would certainly suit me. Then again, it suits you, since you know that no-one is going to bother, don't you?
So for those who are disinclined to spend 180 minutes reviewing the video, I suggest they spend 10 minutes reading your posts and mine on the topic of NI's alleged "ultra defensive" tactics - I'd be quite happy for them to form their own opinions from that.

EalingGreen
15/10/2010, 2:51 PM
Anyhow, to lighten the mood and bring the thread back on topic, apparently Kerr took a wee stroll downtown after the match and ended up in a bar full of NI fans, where he made a great impression:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs762.snc4/66197_487669981069_740516069_7518523_6033681_n.jpg

He even participated in the Kareoke, where he sang "Moi Way":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5YZjFAp-Fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5YZjFAp-Fw

Anyhow, he seems to have gone up greatly in the estimation of the fans who were there (and mine, too, btw).

SwanVsDalton
15/10/2010, 3:08 PM
Where is that EG? Is it Cafe Natur in Torshavn by any chance? Have great memories of that place from our own trip there years back...

third policeman
15/10/2010, 3:27 PM
Great post EG. Love the Kerr footage. With respect to your exchange with IFK it ill behoves any ROI fan to criticise NI for negativity. Watched the Italy game after our horror show with Russia and there is no doubt that NI played more football on the ground and completed more passes than we did.

geysir
15/10/2010, 3:49 PM
No wonder Brian was in party mood.
The image that will endure and Brian Kerr will endear.
(from the Northern Lights paper)

http://www.nordlysid.fo/files/Billeder/Myndasavn/2010/itrottur/fotboltur/Landsliðið_føroyar_irland/IMG_2770.JPG

He cuts an elegant executive figure on the sidelines, though note the clenched fist,

http://www.nordlysid.fo/files/Billeder/Myndasavn/2010/itrottur/fotboltur/Landsliðið_føroyar_irland/IMG_2743.JPG

ifk101
15/10/2010, 3:50 PM
Really? Or might it just be that your previous "evidence" having been exposed as nonsense, you don't have anything left, no matter how measly, to come back with?

Your post amounted to little more than spam. Why the reference to Slovakia? Relevancy? Why the reference to your 40 years of following NI? What's that got to do with how NI play today under Nigel?

You seem to assume that merely producing a block of text proves your point. It doesn't.


I'm an NI fan, so I post on that topic. And when I see the team I support being unfairly criticised (imo), I defend them. That's how football mb's work.If you (and one or two others) weren't so quick to "sink the boot in", I wouldn't feel inclined to reply so frequently.

Where's the criticism in saying NI play an ultra defensive style of foootball? We under Trapattoni are very defensive. That's not a criticism - it's an observation.


Expressing an opinion is one thing. But when you insist on maintaining it, even in the face of (overwhelming) hard facts to the contrary, then you cease to hold an "opinion" and cross the line into prejudice. Again.

Hard facts to the contrary - yeah right:bigsmile:

You had 4 centre halves in the back line. Two very defensive midfielders. And a supposed striker in midfiled.

I'm not the only one with that thought. Read more here.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/10/09/northern-ireland-0-0-italy-tactics/

"They played a 4-4-2 shape that often looked like 4-4-1-1 when Warren Feeney dropped deep into midfield when Northern Ireland lost the ball."
..............

"Northern Ireland’s strategy for dealing with Italy’s extra midfield was to drop Feeney back to help out, often picking up Pirlo, since Northern Ireland’s other two midfielders were playing very deep. "
.........

"The other impact of Italy’s 3 v 2 in the midfield was that Northern Ireland’s wide players tended to be sucked into the midfield battle , leaving Italy’s full-backs free to get forward, and Italy switched play between the two flanks."

............

" Northern Ireland’s full-backs stayed at home – pegged back by Cassano and Pepe. In any case, Evans and Gareth McAuley are both centre-backs naturally, and this was evident as Northern Ireland defended across the width of the penalty area."

..............

"Indeed, Northern Ireland did drop deeper in the second period"

.............

"Despite plenty of substitutions in attacking areas for both teams, the formations stayed the same"

.................

"Lafferty and Nigel Worthington both punched the air at full-time – not often you see that the end of a 0-0 at home"
.................

"Their general outlook was cautious and playing for a point was the idea from the outset"

.....................

"Northern Ireland coped very well with Italy’s front three (or four) by getting two banks of four behind the ball, and defending very narrow which made through balls very tricky for Italy."


That would certainly suit me. Then again, it suits you, since you know that no-one is going to bother, don't you?
So for those who are disinclined to spend 180 minutes reviewing the video, I suggest they spend 10 minutes reading your posts and mine on the topic of NI's alleged "ultra defensive" tactics - I'd be quite happy for them to form their own opinions from that.

Fair enough .

Stuttgart88
15/10/2010, 3:59 PM
No wonder Brian was in party mood.
The image that will endure and Brian Kerr will endear.
(from the Northern Lights paper)

http://www.nordlysid.fo/files/Billeder/Myndasavn/2010/itrottur/fotboltur/Landsliðið_føroyar_irland/IMG_2770.JPG

He cuts an elegant executive figure on the sidelines, though note the clenched fist,

http://www.nordlysid.fo/files/Billeder/Myndasavn/2010/itrottur/fotboltur/Landsliðið_føroyar_irland/IMG_2743.JPG

Maik Taylor actually looks older than Kerr in those snaps.

Looks like it was a good away trip for the NI fans that travelled.

SwanVsDalton
15/10/2010, 4:25 PM
Just getting off the island on time makes it likely better than our own back in '05.

geysir
15/10/2010, 4:27 PM
Maik Taylor actually looks older than Kerr in those snaps.
I think Maik gained 10 years in those crazy seconds.

geysir
16/10/2010, 2:02 PM
Brian Kerr diary in the IT
Faroes Diary (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/1016/1224281253120.html)
'In my head I targeted the Northern Ireland and Estonia games at home; I thought we had a chance of taking something in them

CHEEKILY ENOUGH, I flew back with Northern Ireland to Belfast after our game this week. They were asking me how I normally travelled to the Faroes, so when I told them – usually via Copenhagen – they said they might have a couple of empty seats on their plane. They were very, very good, I have to say. Myself and my assistant, John McDonnell, got home about five hours earlier than normal. Mind you, they made the offer before we got the draw.'

Stuttgart88
16/11/2010, 7:04 PM
I think it just said on SKY that Kerr's brother died yesterday. Sorry for your loss Brian.

He's made the game tonight at Pittodrie though. Must be pretty close to being a home game for the Faroes!

Cymro
17/11/2010, 3:00 PM
Brian Kerr for England. It should make Nigel Worthington happy.

Not England, but according to Paul Abbandonato (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-in-wales/2010/11/14/who-s-the-man-to-lead-wales-91466-27654149/) Kerr is in the running to replace John Toshack.

Personally, I'd prefer O'Neill, then Coleman, in that order. But if not either of those guys, Kerr would be OK.

abcd
07/06/2011, 7:22 PM
Faroes 1-0 Estonia at half time. Hopefully they can get a result in that game. Their cup final in this campaign I'd imagine especially after being caught at the death away to Estonia earlier in the campaign.

BonnieShels
07/06/2011, 7:24 PM
Come on Faeroes!