Bohs accounts [Archive] - Page 3

Bald Student

31/03/2009, 6:24 PM

SkStu

31/03/2009, 6:32 PM

hes talking about our internet messageboard. Vast majority of our members are not online.

OneRedArmy

31/03/2009, 6:54 PM

thats such a misrepresentation its not even funny. :rolleyes: There are probably 2 posters out of a couple of hundred that support the board. But dont let the facts get in the way of your w@nkathonHow did the Board get elected and continue to be elected with so little support?

The fans are complicit through action AND inaction. In a members owned and run club you can't blame a big shareholder rolling over the top of the will of the people.

Don't get me wrong, I don't things Bohs are any different from almost any other club in this regard. Rovers are polishing their halo, but give them a few seasons of mediocre football and who knows what will happen there.

Given
1. the number of failures and near failures of clubs when the writing was clearly on the wall
2. the relative lack of widespread fan interest in Supporters Trusts at the vast majority of clubs (my own included...how most Derry fans have short memories)
the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the majority of fans across the country don't really care until its too late.

Bohs are really no different to their predecessors, EXCEPT that the membership structure was supposed to make this impending train crash impossible.

SkStu

31/03/2009, 7:12 PM

ive realised that i may have misread D24Hoop's post - i thought he said there were a few on the gyspies web who wanted change but they were shouted down by the others on the gypsies web who had their heads in the sand. I realise that he may have been referring to just other members in general. Sorry about that but it is pretty ambiguously worded...

Otherwise ORA, i like that post. Perspective tends to get lost around here when the vultures are out. :D

HulaHoop

31/03/2009, 7:16 PM

thats such a misrepresentation its not even funny. :rolleyes: There are probably 2 posters out of a couple of hundred that support the board. But dont let the facts get in the way of your w@nkathon

Maybe now it's like that but rewind a few months, go back to last season even and see all the deluded gob****es on gypoweb with their heads in the sand clueless about what was going on at their own club.

stamullendrog

31/03/2009, 8:25 PM

You're out of it are you? :eek:

yeah but we still got into it is the point im making

sonofstan

31/03/2009, 10:09 PM

Maybe now it's like that but rewind a few months, go back to last season even and see all the deluded gob****es on gypoweb with their heads in the sand clueless about what was going on at their own club.

That's not true. Most of us had a fair idea what was going on, but there's a members section on our MB for reason.

hoops1

31/03/2009, 10:55 PM

but there's a members section on our MB for reason.

A quarantine of genius.

eelmonster

31/03/2009, 11:44 PM

A quarantine of genius.

Tray bong! Style points.

Macy

01/04/2009, 8:03 AM

2. the relative lack of widespread fan interest in Supporters Trusts at the vast majority of clubs (my own included...how most Derry fans have short memories)
the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the majority of fans across the country don't really care until its too late.
Most of the supporters trusts have been set up when it is too late though. The UK model is low cost, high volume, whereas the Irish model is high cost, low volume. I know there are exceptions, and all of them do good work, most were just set up too late.

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 10:37 AM

bottom line (as the americans say) Bohs (Assets - liabilities) V hoops (assets (?) - liabilities) = as one sided as recent matches between the teams, and the same result.:)

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 10:49 AM

Delighted to see the new found belief in supporters owned/run clubs. For many years Bohs were derided for the membership scheme (50 pound director jibes) especially by our hooped friends. Ironic that they now feel in a position to preach to everyone else on how it should operate.

I dont think (1) wander around a selection of Dublin stadia for 20 years (2) go bust, welshing on monies owed (3) misuse govt grants given to develop stadium (4) obtain licence on basis of false accounts (5) bum rental of ground off local authority - will make a text book case study on how to run a football club.

Dodge

01/04/2009, 12:05 PM

Well at least you picked the right day

HulaHoop

01/04/2009, 12:30 PM

bottom line (as the americans say) Bohs (Assets - liabilities) V hoops (assets (?) - liabilities) = as one sided as recent matches between the teams, and the same result.:)

You just don't get it do you? Your club is in very real danger of going into examinership/liquidation and all you can do is try to score points against your rivals on the internet :rolleyes:

micls

01/04/2009, 12:40 PM

You just dont grasp the fundamentals of your situation. No club in the country, especially not Shamrock Rovers, would trade places with you now.

....I probably would (apart from the having to be in dublin bit....).

Theyre still in control of their own future

Macy

01/04/2009, 1:09 PM

Well at least you picked the right day
And got in just before midday too.

OneRedArmy

01/04/2009, 1:19 PM

bottom line (as the americans say) Bohs (Assets - liabilities) V hoops (assets (?) - liabilities) = as one sided as recent matches between the teams, and the same result.:)Are you a senior banker or the Financial Regulator by any chance?

micls

01/04/2009, 1:38 PM

The phrase "rearranging deckchairs on the titanic" springs to mind when you mention "control of their own future".

The have control, they can save themselves. Whether they do or not is another matter

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 1:48 PM

so no other team would swop places ? (not that they were asked to but however). League champions, FAI cup holders, any of this mean anything to you or does the memory not stretch that far back (like owning your own ground) ? if rovers or any other club are happy basking in mediocrity then fine but dont expect everyone else to do the same.
there may well be dodgy times ahead for Bohs (little doubt) but we will survive. Bohs are around a lot longer than rovers and fully expect them to be around long after hoops are consigned to the dustbin of history.

micls

01/04/2009, 1:51 PM

micls

01/04/2009, 1:54 PM

By qualifying for the champions league?

Eh no.

By taking control, culling their squad in July/November. Getting rid of everyone they possibly can. Cutting all unnecessary costs and setting up a plan to pay off debts owed.

When the market picks up again, which it will, they can sell Dalymount, move somewhere cheaper and run the club properly, or get someone into Dalymount with them to groundshare and use the money to slowly pay off debts owed.

I never said it would be easy but it is certainly possible. The question is are they willing to do it.

bigmac

01/04/2009, 1:54 PM

The FAI won't let Bohs go to the wall. There'll be a deal done for the ground and then the FAI will get their wish of forcing a ground share with Shels. Different clubs, different rules.

Very likely - I can definitely see this happening in a few years. Debts mount up, deal for stadium with developers doesn't happen, FAI clear Bohs debt, do some redevelopment on the ground and Shels move in there with Bohs.

It would also mean that every Dublin club bar Pats would be in a situation where they have no capital assets to blow on playing budgets.

**edit** Man I do love that ignore button....

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 2:02 PM

By qualifying for the champions league?

seriously what the hell would rovers know about the Champions League ? you dont gain entry by winning the 1st division.:rolleyes:

PartySaint

01/04/2009, 2:09 PM

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 2:10 PM

Seems highly unlikely to me. How are they supposed to manage 5+ million of debt "until the market picks up"? Have you looked at the income on the balance sheet? It will probably be 5-10 years before they can even hope to firesale themselves into homelessness.

It makes rescuing the Irish economy look like a 7 year olds maths homework.

7 year olds maths homework ? obviously way, way above the average rovers fan so

osarusan

01/04/2009, 2:13 PM

7 year olds maths homework ? obviously way, way above the average rovers fan so
Give it a f**king rest man. You come across as a child in all your posts so far.

HulaHoop

01/04/2009, 2:18 PM

It seems to me that most of the Bohs fans on this forum care more about Rovers than their own club, all they do is get on and say how much better they are doing than their rivals, i think yous should really look after your own club rather than been fixated on beating Rovers

Nail on head and the kind of attitude that has gotten them into this mess in the first place.

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 2:23 PM

It seems to me that most of the Bohs fans on this forum care more about Rovers than their own club, all they do is get on and say how much better they are doing than their rivals, i think yous should really look after your own club rather than been fixated on beating Rovers

So, a pats fan (I presume) commenting on a thread about Bohs accounts (started by another pats fan) thinks bohs fans should concentrate on their own club ? really ?

PartySaint

01/04/2009, 2:30 PM

So, a pats fan (I presume) commenting on a thread about Bohs accounts (started by another pats fan) thinks bohs fans should concentrate on their own club ? really ?

Yes!!!

OneRedArmy

01/04/2009, 2:34 PM

Early favourite for the Supergretna 2009 Award...

SkStu

01/04/2009, 2:49 PM

WE ARE INVINCIBLE!

ooops sorry, wrong messageboard...

RoversHead

01/04/2009, 3:04 PM

:cool:As a die hard hoop for over 30 yrs i take no pleasure what so ever at the mess Bohs or any other club in Irish football find themselves in ,but unlike other clubs such as Rovers Shels Cobh Cork ect who suffered at the hands of bad financial management by privateers Bohs only have their own fans to blame.They have stood by and watched a small arrogant clique from their own ranks put their future on the line while laughing at the plight of other clubs, chickens home to roost.......oh and by the way they dont have the longest most illustrious history in Irish football that honour would belong to Shamrock Rovers according to the stats but history is nothing without a future and thankfully ours is so bright were all wearing shades:D

Dodge

01/04/2009, 3:05 PM

So, a pats fan (I presume) commenting on a thread about Bohs accounts (started by another pats fan) thinks bohs fans should concentrate on their own club ? really ?

But thats we becaue we compare ourselves to everyone

Unlike most Bohs fans. I've said it before most bohs fans I've met are happier beating rovers than winning leagues.

It seems to me that your whole "defence" on this situation is to say you're better than Rovers, who rent a ground and had their debt wiped

Even on the thread on the Bohs forum at least half the posts on this subject (the leak) are about Rovers

sonofstan

01/04/2009, 3:23 PM

But thats we becaue we compare ourselves to everyone

Unlike most Bohs fans. I've said it before most bohs fans I've met are happier beating rovers than winning leagues.

It seems to me that your whole "defence" on this situation is to say you're better than Rovers, who rent a ground and had their debt wiped

Even on the thread on the Bohs forum at least half the posts on this subject (the leak) are about Rovers

Come on.
You know none of that is actually true.

RoversHead

01/04/2009, 3:45 PM

The beauty of renting a ground is that you cant sell it twice let alone sell it to two carpet baggers at the same time,who owns Dalymount now ?can Bohs even afford the court proceedings to find out?Real Madrid rent a ground as do most seria A clubs.The fixation Irish people have with property ownership has not served the nation well let alone football.

SkStu

01/04/2009, 3:49 PM

It seems to me that your whole "defence" on this situation is to say you're better than Rovers, who rent a ground and had their debt wiped

come on now Dodge. We dont have a defence on this. It is up to the members to oust the current board incumbents and plot a way for this club to survive and become sustainable.

Most of the posts, from one poster MarinoBohs, are simply highlighting that it is a bit hypocritical of other clubs fans (clubs that have actually found themselves in probably worse positions than Bohs are in now) to lord it over the rest of us, be they Rovers, Derry, Drogs, Cork anyone.

I'll take a ribbing on the situation as far as it goes but dont expect me to get overly concerned with "defending" my club to the posters who are revelling in the matter in cyberspace. Especially when these same posters support clubs that have found themselves in worse places than we currently occupy.

Unlike "the others", we have continued to pay our players, we continue to pay our bills. We are in trouble, granted, but I believe we can turn the ship around slowly but surely.

But please dont expect the majority of us foot.ie posters to get too worked up over the schadenfreude of a few Rovers fans.

pete

01/04/2009, 3:53 PM

I definitely feel the FAI (also the government indirectly) want a 2 stadium north/south situation in Dublin.

SkStu

01/04/2009, 4:21 PM

You owe about 5-6 million euro, have no ability to service the debt and selling your only asset, Dalymount Park (which should be an anathema to Bohs fans, instead you constantly hear "sure well sell our ground (!)") is nigh on impossible.

You owe nearly ten times what Drogheda did. Ten times.

Can you outline a plan you could use to survive this?

Like it makes a blind f*ckin bit of difference, if i could, what use would this be of to you?

I'll say it again "please dont expect the majority of us foot.ie posters to get too worked up over the schadenfreude of a few Rovers fans".

Now run off to your forum and tell everyone how deluded the Bohs fans are which seems to be the way these things work around here.

marinobohs

01/04/2009, 4:29 PM

You owe about 5-6 million euro, have no ability to service the debt and selling your only asset, Dalymount Park (which should be an anathema to Bohs fans, instead you constantly hear "sure well sell our ground (!)") is nigh on impossible.

You owe nearly 8 times what Drogheda did.

Can you outline a plan you could use to survive this?

OK as this is becoming tedious for all. To end matters I will make the following proposal at the Bohs AGM "given the expert analysis of D24 Hoop & Assos accountants Ltd this club should wind up, give away the worthless ground and seek a rental agreement with South Dublin County council"

thanks for all your assistance is resolving our problems (and there was me thinking it was only taxi drivers who had all the answers).

NEXT ITEM - save the economy the shams way :)

RoversHead

01/04/2009, 4:39 PM

They dont have a ground to sell they have sold it twice already and the guy who promised to build them a home in meath is waiting for his turn in court as soon as the original carpet bagger gets his day in court as for the were still paying bills and players thing thats with a 4million loan against the carpark from the zurich bank for christ sake.you should hang that board from your floodlights actually im not sure they are your floodlights anymore i really do hope there are at least a few bohs fans left with their heads above the sand.

passerrby

01/04/2009, 4:40 PM

if bohs go tits up they could end up ground sharing with rovers.. now wouldnt that be lovely..

SkStu

01/04/2009, 4:48 PM

to the people who claim we have "sold our ground twice", do you actually comprehend what has happened because your quite far off the facts on that one. I would suggest looking into it properly before posting your ill informed rants.

as an aside, i hope we do hang the board from the floodlights for the mistakes they made and continue to make in the running of our club. With the demographic of our membership, all i can do is hope that they now see what our board have done.

RoversHead

01/04/2009, 4:51 PM

Hey marinobohs we have run the economy the bohs way for long enough ,living beyond our means borrowing up to our necks and leaving a minority of muppetts to gamble away our nations future on the property market and thanks to you im actually starting to enjoy this

RoversHead

01/04/2009, 4:57 PM

Skstu you are facing court proceedings with two property developers from whome you have recieved payment regarding the sale or part sale of the ground are you not?

SkStu

01/04/2009, 5:07 PM

im not going to educate you on it RH. Im not the one trying to post about it all the time. Change some of the words in your above statement and the position of other words and you'll be nearer the mark.

If you want me to educate you then just admit that you are not really sure of what youre talking about and ask me.

RoversHead

01/04/2009, 5:28 PM

When you agreed sale of ground with o carrol you neglected to inform him that you already had recieved payment regarding sale of part of your ground to albion proprties this was upheld by high court decision which you appealed in order to offset paying costs ,you will lose your appeal at further great cost and then mr o carrol will have his day in court he will say his deal with you is fraudulent because you lied and you will have more costs to pay aswell as refunding him all money recieved in good fate,if thats not selling your ground twice what is.....not me who needs educating mate:)

SkStu

01/04/2009, 5:37 PM

"sale of part of the ground"

a very important word you left out of your earlier posts. Makes a big difference to the statement "selling your ground twice". Also makes a difference to our likelihood of negotiating a way through this and maybe also diminishing Carroll's likelihood to chase us for the money he has paid. Im not denying the severity of the situation just pointing out that it is not as straightforward as you initially represented.

Secondly, we have already faced one property developer in the courts, a decision our current board have decided to appeal (i know :rolleyes: ). We dont currently face 2 property deveopers in Court. I'd argue that we just face a day in the Supreme Court, if that appeal ever goes ahead.

Anyway, glad your mates over on ultras forum were able to help you out. :p

Jicked

01/04/2009, 5:41 PM

SkStu

01/04/2009, 5:45 PM

Sure even if Bohs lose the Supreme Court you can always delay the inevetable a bit more and try to bring it to the European courts. Sure in the couple of years that'll take Bohs are bound to have reached the quarter finals of the Champions League and then sure they can pay it easily. No problemo.

this is the mind-numbingly boring sh1t i was referring to in my earlier posts. I dont mind having a debate or taking a ribbing or whatever but you do your arguments no favours posting this. Its not funny, its not original.

Did you come a little bit in your pants after you hit reply there, Jicked?