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geysir
17/11/2008, 12:31 PM
Trap has made an argument for himself to attend the EPL games.
Next he can visit "Tony who?" at Stoke.

Lenny82
17/11/2008, 12:37 PM
Great article.

I agree with his views on whingey players who sulk when not selected or bitch and moan to the press. You should feel honoured to be in the squad and if you're not in the squad, you make a public announcement that you are desperate to get back in and work your socks off.

Joey O'Brien is a clown to come out and say what he did. He needs to take a look at his club career and figure out why he has only played 25 minutes of football in Bolton's last 8 games. He deserved to be dropped!!!

LFCSixty/Eighty
17/11/2008, 1:51 PM
This situation is plain ridiculous. I wonder if Trap could explain why, if he is so concerned with having people who are 100% committed to the 'team' more than themselves, did he spend so much time visiting and trying to convince S. Ireland to come back.

Andy Reid gets annoyed because he WANTS to play and ends up in the international wilderness because of it. Sounds like the worst case of double standards I have ever heard.

geysir
17/11/2008, 2:24 PM
Nothing to explain, he paid a visit to Maine Rd to have a chat and a few glasses with his good friend Sven and had a tete la tete with Stephen Ireland. That is all the contact he had.
With Andy Reid, Trap has evidently had plenty of contact with him.

Brendan 82
17/11/2008, 2:34 PM
This situation is plain ridiculous. I wonder if Trap could explain why, if he is so concerned with having people who are 100% committed to the 'team' more than themselves, did he spend so much time visiting and trying to convince S. Ireland to come back.

Andy Reid gets annoyed because he WANTS to play and ends up in the international wilderness because of it. Sounds like the worst case of double standards I have ever heard.

What you wrote sounds like ********. When did Trapp spend "so much time" trying to convince Stephen Ireland? Are you his secretary logging his calls? You actually believe that Trapp does not want players who are committed to the team? Besides, He said that Andy Reid's days are not over. He explains his system fairly well actually, if you read it.

This one is the real beauty though:


"Sounds like the worst case of double standards I have ever heard."

:D:(:confused:

dr_peepee
17/11/2008, 2:37 PM
There are some of his decisions that I dont particularly agree with,such as Andy Reid, but when he speaks you cant help but respect him. At least he has the belief in himself to do what he thinks is right and when he explains his reasoning behind his decisions I find myself agreeing with him.....

Yeah.. Defo... Mee too. He has great diplomacy skills. And there's a level of accounting for decisions through the media that I've been dying for from an Ireland manager for a long time.

However


Trap has made an argument for himself to attend the EPL games.

Exaclty. Which is one of my gripes with him. I'm not stupid enough to claim that someone like Trapps opinion is less than mine when it comes to players and formations. If Trapp feels Alex Bruce is the next best centre half then so be it. But up to this I was arguing about his efforts to come to that conclusion.


You should feel honoured to be in the squad and if you're not in the squad, you make a public announcement that you are desperate to get back in and work your socks off.

Maybe I didn't read the whole article but I don't think he said anything too bad... Has he actually pulled out of the reckoning now himself, like Ireland???

Stuttgart88
17/11/2008, 2:39 PM
I think you're right Geysir, though I can't help think that there's some degree of better man management that could keep Reid in the fold. I also think Trap is wrong to think of Reid as a creative midfielder only because I think he could play a wide role, though not the same role currently occupied by Duff & McGeady.

However, I rembember a talk I was at by Clive Woodward where he said the WC03 squad was selected not just on ability but by character and each player's contribution to the group dynamic. He said certain players were left out because the whole structure could have been brought down by one or two what he called "termites" whose negativity would eventually undermine a ruthless winning mentality (I recall Jack's comments on Frank the Plank & how he regretted taking such a whinger to Italy when he could have taken Gary waddock instead). I'd say Trap's years in management means he knows exactly what sort of dynamic can be built with a bunch like ours.

Even still, I find it hard to think that Reid would be a negative to our squad, being a popular player central to the atmosphere.

paul_oshea
17/11/2008, 2:43 PM
Stutts, I know exactly what you mean, and its very true, even in amateur football clubs, junior stuff, you always need different characters to add to the group dynamic. Every man for every type of situation etc.

dr_peepee
17/11/2008, 2:47 PM
Even still, I find it hard to think that Reid would be a negative to our squad, being a popular player central to the atmosphere.

He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly!!!

geysir
17/11/2008, 3:11 PM
Brady is reported as saying that it has nothing to do with Andy Reid's attitude, as could be interpreted from Trap's call to 'Smile for Ireland'.
Brady would be the good cop in the equation.

I suspect that Andy will be brought into the next squad looking something like this
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_285/1214997101gj7vuL.jpg

eirebhoy
17/11/2008, 6:24 PM
Joey O'Brien is a clown to come out and say what he did. He needs to take a look at his club career and figure out why he has only played 25 minutes of football in Bolton's last 8 games. He deserved to be dropped!!!
Well he's been injured for the last 5.

John83
17/11/2008, 6:32 PM
He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly!!!
You think maybe he's been written off because of the white beard?

Stuttgart88
18/11/2008, 7:51 AM
There was a lot of criticism around the time of the Poland squad announcement that management didn’t appear to know our best options, at least on the periphery of the squad.

In fairness, a lot of these concerns – and even the fact that this was a concern – seem to have been acknowledged in recent press reports and for once it seems like the collective hackery is asking the right questions. Several articles today & yesterday address the players omitted and the perceived lack of scouting.

However, when Brady is quoted as saying that the reports on Kyle Naughton have been good, oblivious to the fact that he’s in the current Enland U21 squad it seems to me that for every step forward we seem to take we take at least one step backwards too.

This is as bad as Givens thinking Jamie McCarthy was tied to us because of his recent U21 appearance.

Edit - I just saw this in the Irish Times, in mitigation:

Finally, the former Arsenal and Ireland midfielder said that it is still possible the well regarded Sheffield United right back Kyle Naughton may decide to ignore interest from the English FA and declare for Ireland. "We are asking the questions now," he said. "We will find that out. He is doing quite well, so England are getting interested now that we are interested but we will see."

geysir
18/11/2008, 9:38 AM
But I guess the point still stands Stutts? :)

So far Trap has trusted his cohorts to do the scouting job and then observe the players himself in the training. That's fine but it could be better. It would help with his decisions in deciding on squad replacements and during our games if he has a personal impression of how his subs do in their club competitive matches.