Squad for Poland game

[dr_peepee]

Now that squad selection is just f'ckin lazy... Very disappointed.

[Closed Account]

Now that squad selection is just f'ckin lazy... Very disappointed.
Echoed

[Reality Bites]

No Blooding James McCarthy - Disgrace!!!

[passinginterest]

Just noticed no Andy Reid. Is he injured? Surely this was the game he should have gotten a chance in?

[Closed Account]

Just noticed no Andy Reid. Is he injured? Surely this was the game he should have gotten a chance in?
Just noticed that too? Baffled.

No Noel Hunt.
No James McCarthy
No Garvan/McCann/O'Toole

[passinginterest]

It's actually bizarre. I mean what does Noel Hunt have to do to get picked? He's been brilliant for Reading by all accounts, while Long has got a few minutes here and there and done very little. Has Folan even played for Hull in the last few weeks? Liam Miller still picked ahead of various young midfielders playing every week? Even if he thinks Miller is good enough why not give someone else a go in this squad?

At this stage I genuinely think we'd be going mad if it was any other manager, but if the results keep going in the right direction I'll keep being baffled but happy!

[dr_peepee]

Alex Bruce, Shane Long, Liam Miller and Anthony Stokes should not be in that squad...

I generally try to be reserved in statements that would infer I know more that Profesional Managers.... But I know more than trapp about the playing options for his squads. It's re-god-damn-diculous..

We've no depth in centre half, left fulls and Centre mid, yet where's the net being thrown to rein players...

I bet he's alienated Reid to the extent that he's retired...

[bwagner]

its pathetic and Brady should take flak over this big time, Noel Hunt must be raging ..Shane Long are you joking me Keogh , Miller , Stokes ...this is a farce

[L37Ultra]

Ya and no Keith Fahy. What a joke

[bwagner]

what about the lil **** Joey O Brien?

[Closed Account]

No Daryl Murphy! I'm disgusted....

Oh wait. I'm not really. Carry on.

[shaneker]

Hmmm.

I've said all along I will not second guess Trap while the results keep coming, and a friendly result (unless its an unmerciful trouncing) will not affect this at all.

Having said that - I really, really hope he knows what he's doing. Because this squad - on paper - is balls.

However, we are second in our group and while we stay there, I'm happy. The next qualifiers are massive and I maintain that this guy knows his stuff, and we should trust him - WHILE the results keep coming.

[shakermaker1982]

Joke. End of.

Andy Reid, Noel Hunt, McCarthy & O'Toole were all worth a look.

Goalkeepers
Shay Given Newcastle United 20/04/1976
Dean Kiely West Brom 10/10/1970
Joe Murphy Scunthorpe United 21/08/1981

Defenders
Paul McShane (Hull City)
John O'Shea (Manchester United)
Richard Dunne (Manchester City)
Kevin Kilbane (Wigan Athletic)
Alex Bruce (Ipswich Town)
Damien Delaney (QPR)
Kevin Foley (Wolves)

Midfielders
Aiden McGeady (Glasgow Celtic)
Keith Andrews (Blackburn Rovers)
Darron Gibson (Manchester United)
Glenn Whelan (Stoke City)
Damien Duff (Newcastle United)
Stephen Hunt (Reading)
Liam Miller (Sunderland)
Andy Keogh (Wolves)

Forwards
Robbie Keane (Liverpool)
Kevin Doyle (Reading)
Anthony Stokes (Sheffield United)
Caleb Folan (Hull City)
Shane Long (Reading)

The players I have highlighted in bold are not regulars for their respective teams. What message does it send out to the players in form like Noel Hunt if they cannot even make a friendly squad? This squad should not be about giving more caps to the senior players but a chance to blood in youngsters in an environment which will not cost us points in important WC qualifying games.

[Sligo Hornet]

No way Shane Long should be ahead of Noel Hunt at present!:mad:

[Sligo Hornet]

How much influence had the FAI in the squad picking?...i.e. Trap possibily having his arm twisted to play a strong squad/team to ensure sufficient tickets are sold?

[irishultra]

No Murphy, No Fahey, no A.Reid, No McCarthy, No Garvan, No McCarthy, No McCann, no Nhunt...

a shambles. a complete and utter joke.

does trap actually not know we have a larger pool of players than this?

[passinginterest]

When's the next B game?

That seems to be the only way of breaking into the squad. Club form obviously counts for nothing, Trap seems to be just interested in seeing them up close and making a decision that way.

You have to question the role of Brady and the other members of the backroom team and scouting network at this stage. Do they have any influence at all?

[passinginterest]

How much influence had the FAI in the squad picking?...i.e. Trap possibily having his arm twisted to play a strong squad/team to ensure sufficient tickets are sold?

Surely picking some exciting new players will sell more tickets than picking Liam Miller and Shane Long again and again and again...

[seanfhear]

Is StLedger still making himself available for Ireland.

Was he in the B game.

[drummerboy]

Have to say very disappointing. Reid seems to be the new Dave O’Leary.

[dr_peepee]

We're 2nd but how much of that is down to Tapp having our best players availible... Lets say this

Trapp knows his football..

Trapp knows his best 11..

I will question anything beyond that to be honest...

[bwagner]

we all know what Keane Given Duff , O Shea , Kilbane etc can do so what the **** is the point, We should have in Hunt , Garvin Ward , St Ledger and Mc Carthy and Mc Cann

[third policeman]

Shocking, abject, regressive, complacent, unimaginative, demoralising, bankrupt.

There are two concusions that can be drawn from this slection.

For some players it doesn't matter how badly you perform for Ireland or how little football you get for your club, your place in the squad is absolutely assured (Miller, Long, Keogh, Whelan, Bruce, Stokes)

For others, no matter how well you play for your club or how much ability and promise you have you're not going to get picked (Garvan, McCann, St Ledger, O'Toole, N. Hunt)

We will be badly found out in this group sooner or later. We are relying on players who are manifestly not good enough and failing to encourage and develop talented players who in IMO (and - more significantly- that of their current club managers and a few Premiership managers bedides)d are better long term international prospects. I dont even think you can have confidence that Trapp is making an informed judement about the merits of some of the cutrrent players over those who have been left out. I dont think that he has seen the likes of McCann, O'Toole, St Ledger play. This would have been a great, and probably our last, opportunity to see what they had to offer. It's been squandered.

[NeilMcD]

I think Andy Reid not in the squad is very disappointing. I feel sorry for Andy He should be here ahead of Liam Miller. Noel Hunt should be in instead of Shane Long.

Changes I would make

Andy Reid in Liam Miller out

Lee Carsley in Darren Gibson out

Rory Delap in Alex Bruce out

Noel Hunt in Shane Long out

Mc Cann/Garvan/Mc Carthy in Andy Keogh out

[Dr. Ogba]

Yeah Miller in there ahead of Reid is the most shocking of the selections. Ditto Alex Bruce ahead of either StLedger or Paddy McCarthy, oh and Shane Long and Stokes ahead of N. Hunt...


you would wonder what (if any) scouting system is in place for the Championship...it really is time to have a look at our promising youngsters plying their trade there. Traps management team seem to be unaware of guys like Garvan, McCann, O'Toole etc....

[tetsujin1979]

Disappointed in the squad selection, but not too surprised.
I didn't really think Jamie McCarthy would get in, after his recent commitment to Ireland.
Despite Reid's performance at the weekend, he hasn't been playing for Sunderland at all, people are saying Gibson, Whelan, etc shouldn't be in the squad because of their club form, but Reid should because...??

It does look like Trapattoni has his favourite players, starting XI and tactics. So far it's worked, but as soon as the first loss happens, it will be the rod they use to beat him with

[third policeman]

Still seething about this. It's incomprehensible and clearly indicates that our Championship players are not being watched or scouted. It's been said before but most posters on this site seems better informed about our playing pool than Brady, Trapp and Tardelli. I know its futile but I am going to write to Brady as I cant wait to hear the justification for the current selection policy. I know I probably wong get a reply, but perhaps if they get enough stick over this they might actually start going to watch some of these players.

[NeilMcD]

Gibson has never really been a first team regular and Andy Reid has. I have no problem with Kilbane being in the squad even though he is not playing week in week out because we know what he can do.

To put it this way I think its understandable that a senior player is in the squad but not playing week in week out with his club but it does not make sense if a young player is in the sqaud when he is not playing and there is up to about 10 other players who are.

You should have to earn to be in the squad and that should be past performances for your country. Current performances for your club and attitude and performances in training.

[Wolfie]

From FAI Website:
Republic of Ireland Squad v Poland:
Goalkeepers
Shay Given Newcastle United 20/04/1976
Dean Kiely West Brom 10/10/1970
Joe Murphy Scunthorpe United 21/08/1981

Defenders
Paul McShane (Hull City)
John O'Shea (Manchester United)
Richard Dunne (Manchester City)
Kevin Kilbane (Wigan Athletic)
Alex Bruce (Ipswich Town)
Damien Delaney (QPR)
Kevin Foley (Wolves)

Midfielders
Aiden McGeady (Glasgow Celtic)
Keith Andrews (Blackburn Rovers)
Darron Gibson (Manchester United)
Glenn Whelan (Stoke City)
Damien Duff (Newcastle United)
Stephen Hunt (Reading)
Liam Miller (Sunderland)
Andy Keogh (Wolves)

Forwards
Robbie Keane (Liverpool)
Kevin Doyle (Reading)
Anthony Stokes (Sheffield United)
Caleb Folan (Hull City)
Shane Long (Reading)

No Noel Hunt or James McCarthy or Eoin Garvan.


Trying to be Devils Advocate on the squad choice - I'd imagine Trapp's response would be that he is employed to achieve qualification for 2010 and not to overly experiment and "build for the future" on a continuous basis.

Trapp is dealing with the here and now and this dictates that he uses the majority of his favoured team at every given opportunity. This fosters a familiarity with formations and a team spirit.

He may well not be using this game to experiment - but as match practice for the established players.

This squad suggests that the friendly will be used to maintain the momentum that this specific group of players have contributed to since the campaign began.

I'd like to have seen the likes of McCarthy, Delap, St Ledger etc etc but I think the wholesale changes could be introduced at a more staggered pace to what we are used to.

[NeilMcD]

I would not be in favour of wholesale changes or widespread experimentation. That is why that Darron Gibson should not be in the squad and would contradict why Keith Andrews is in the squad. I do not think that Carsley or Delap would be gambles or Andy Reid either.

[Brendan 82]

Andy Reid in Liam Miller out
Noel Hunt in Anthony Stokes out

[Rambling Along]

Andy Reid in Liam Miller out

Lee Carsley in Darren Gibson out

Rory Delap in Alex Bruce out

Noel Hunt in Shane Long out

Daryl Murphy in Anthony Stokes out


Trap i'm not liking your squads or your starting 11's. Nobody is. But it's getting the job done...just. One Day it's going to backfire and were gonna be hammered.

[Brendan 82]

If Andy Reid should start in our central midfield partnership, who should he start with? I can't think of one that looks strong. He was very good against Portsmouth, but played left midfield mostly. It is hard to fit him in

[Stuttgart88]

This is a cop-out of a squad. Confirms my impression that the management simply does not know about our options outside the Premiership. Givens & Brady should be more on top of their business than this. Is Stan still pulling the strings?

How can the regular Championship goalscorer Noel Hunt be left out while Long & Stokes are included?

Keogh is very lucky to be still there, especially if he's considered a midfielder. Alex Bruce is lucky too.

Andrews deserves a look.

Gibson & Miller lucky to be still there. Ideal opportunity to take a look at Delap, Garvan, O'Toole and McCann if only in training. I'm not as fussed about McCarthy.

This must be very demotivating for those left out.

[NeilMcD]

Interesting article in World Soccer this month on the history of Il Traps teams and the tactics and formations that he used. I do not think it is up online but worth a look at in the newsagents.

[dr_peepee]

Givens & Brady should be more on top of their business than this. Is Stan still pulling the strings?.

You beat me to it on this point. Was just about to post it... It's shocking lazy on their part and whilst I'm not surprised at Givens, I am at Brady.

When will players be given a platform?? Another B game??? Another summer get together?? I've defended some of Trapps sqauds simply cos I figured he was waiting until this game to bring in some new blood.

I don't buy into the "wholesale changes" theory mooted by some. The first eleven practically picks itself when fit, so our calls for the inclusion of McCann, O'Toole, Hunt et al will hardly effect that.... It's his plan B I worry about. Or the lack of effort in ensuring we have the best available plan B. He doesn't go to club games?? He doesn't examine depth in critical areas (LF, CH, CM). He's alienating players (A. Reid, Carsley, J O'Brien)??

[Stuttgart88]

Yep, I was reserving judgment until this squad on the basis that this was the first real chance to look at anything he hadn't already looked at. This is a more disappointing squad than anything Stan or Kerr ever selected.

[bobloblaw]

Its getting to be a complete nonsense now. Can't get behind this clown at all.

[ifk101]

:D

Talk about whinging.

Trapattoni's tactics and formation for the team are clearly defined at this stage. His squad selections reflect this.

[TheBoss]

If I was to choose a 23-Man squad in the current conidtions, it would be this:

GK (3): Given, Kiely, Murphy

DF (7): K Foley, McShane, Dunne, O'Shea, Bruce, Ward, Kilbane

MF (8): McGeady, A Reid, Fahey, McCarthy, Garvan, Carsley, Duff, S Hunt

FW (5): Keane, Doyle, N Hunt, D Foley, Burgess

[Qwerty]

If he were to make any more changes it would make a joke of things, we're in the middle of a campaign now with key games to come. Gibson, Andrews, Foley, Bruce & Folan are enough experimentation without bringing in more players unfamiliar with Trapp's way of doing things.

I don't understand why Carsley isn't there. And yes Long & Miller do strike a bum note but it is as more about the system than individuals.

Delighted to see O'Brien dropped.

[dr_peepee]

:D

Talk about whinging.

Trapattoni's tactics and formation for the team are clearly defined at this stage. His squad selections reflect this.

Have to disagree with you there man... The bold underlined I agree with but the rest, no way. We know Trapps preffered formation so I challenge you to pick two defensive midfeilders from that squad for me please??...

He's said in the past the importance of patience and retaining posession but plays Steven Hunt when Duffs unnavailable (I like Hunt BTW just highlighting Trapps inconsystency) esp when it comes to a plan B....

[Closed Account]

If I was to choose a 23-Man squad in the current conidtions, it would be this:

GK (3): Given, Kiely, Murphy

DF (7): K Foley, McShane, Dunne, O'Shea, Bruce, Ward, Kilbane

MF (8): McGeady, A Reid, Fahey, McCarthy, Garvan, Carsley, Duff, S Hunt

FW (5): Keane, Doyle, N Hunt, D Foley, Burgess
Is this some sort of self promotion or a joke?

Whilst I'm disappointed some new faces haven't been brought in, I have to respect Traps decision making. He obviously is looking to get a settled side. He'll probably start with a very similiar starting lineup to his last game. Mightn't be any changes until half time. So even if he had called up anyone, they probably wouldn't of seen game time anyway. I wonder if Reid and O'Brien were left out for this reason.

[TheBoss]

He is doing really well, he is scoring goals, helping the team, I think he deserves it.

[beautifulrock]

Its getting to be a complete nonsense now. Can't get behind this clown at all.

haha now I have heard it all, check out the "clowns" cv. :mad::rolleyes:

[ifk101]

Have to disagree with you there man... The bold underlined I agree with but the rest, no way. We know Trapps preffered formation so I challenge you to pick two defensive midfeilders from that squad for me please??...

Hence the need to play 2 holding midfielders. We don't have one player that is "strong" enough to effectively protect the back four on his own. Personally I like us to have one holding midfielder and one attacking midfielder but playing that way leaves us exposed with the players we have at our disposal.


He's said in the past the importance of patience and retaining posession but plays Steven Hunt when Duffs unnavailable (I like Hunt BTW just highlighting Trapps inconsystency) esp when it comes to a plan B....

I don't see any inconsistency here at all.

[dr_peepee]

I have to respect Traps decision making. He obviously is looking to get a settled side.

Dude, he has a settled side. I think you'll find very few people questioning Trapps first 11. It's the fact that he clearly thinks Miller and Bruce are the next best options. The fact he didn't know who Delap was on the radio a few weeks ago. The last 10 minutes against Cyprus with no subs... Eh... And all the other stuff typed by people too... He's not as committed to this Job as I'd like, and as his pay would warrant, in my opinion.


I wonder if Reid and O'Brien were left out for this reason. Me too... I've been searching message boards, but nothing yet.

[bobloblaw]

haha now I have heard it all, check out the "clowns" cv. :mad::rolleyes:

He's not even going to the games. So obviously he's not totally committed to the job.

Its all about to go pete tong. We simply won't get the results we need against Italy or Bulgaria, home or away, playing the rubbish football he's had us playing so far. And with the players he's selected, i think what we've seen so far is as good as it gets for us i'm afraid.

People can defend him all they like, i'm yet to find anyone to make some sense of his selections. Even Tardelli and Brady it seems.

[paul_oshea]

been left out for what reason?!

[Founders]

No way Shane Long should be ahead of Noel Hunt at present!:mad:
N.Hunt starts for Reading and Long does not,but Long gets picked ahead of Hunt:confused:

Brady is the one looking at players(meant to be anyway),he is having a big say in who gets picked.