Squad for Poland game

[eirebhoy]

As someone said earlier, it seems the way into the senior squad now is through the B squad. Every player in this squad has worked with Trap before.

[Guidedbyvoices]

[quote=Guidedbyvoices;1056038]

I know sod all? So what Fahey is a better player than Carsley? Well then..


Cant compare. Totally different players but imo both should be in the squad along with Reid, McGann, Garvan, St Ledger, McCarthy Hunt and Walters.

[Paddy Garcia]

As someone said earlier, it seems the way into the senior squad now is through the B squad. Every player in this squad has worked with Trap before.

How often are the B squad going to get together ?

[irishfan86]

Worrying signs indeed.

I'm fine with disagreeing on a few backup players, but it's getting a bit silly now.

I'd like to see Westwood in as the 2nd/3rd keeper over Murphy.

N. Hunt has to be in over Long.

I'm not even going to talk about Andy Reid anymore...

Carsley needs to be in there, and Delap should have been brought in to look at, even in a training capacity.

Hopefully Andrews gets a run out and can establish himself in centre midfield- if we play Whelan and Gibson together again I'll probably die of a heart attack before half-time.

[Paddy Garcia]

The squad is a fantastic advert



.. for rugby

[Speakthetruth]

The squad is a fantastic advert



.. for rugby

I wouldnt go that far...

[Razors left peg]

[quote=Guidedbyvoices;1056050]

Add 6 newcomers into a settled squad in the middle of a campaign who'll have no other impact than sitting on the bench. Brilliant, why didn't Trap think of this?!?

wouldnt have brought in the 6 of them but definately 2 or 3 should have been brought in to have a look to give ourselves more options if and when we need it. otherwise if we get a load of injuries for one of the qualifiers we will have to bring in lads that have never been looked at at International level. Friendlies are only of use to look at things like that because most of the time established players just stroll through the game

[Sligo Hornet]

[quote=Ciaran;1056066
Add 6 newcomers into a settled squad in the middle of a campaign who'll have no other impact than sitting on the bench. Brilliant, why didn't Trap think of this?!?


Its a friendly ffs.Do you know why we have friendlies? No you probably don’t so it proves my original point that you don’t have a clue do you? Good night.

The real reason all Football Associations have Friendlies is to secure revenue.....the blooding of new players,practising new formations etc is secondary.

In fact, as most Clubs (and it seems the players too) do not want International Friendlies, and go out of their way at times to "arrange" slight knocks/niggles to players so that they are not risked in what they deem meaningless games.

[Paddy Garcia]

The fact is the centre midfield is power puff & will cost us dearly sooner or later. Probably sooner.

He should have taken a look at what A Reid can offer. He should also have taken a look at the likes of Garvan, Delap, McCann and McCarthy. At least these guys get a game for their clubs - unlike the current favoured pair.

The omission of N Hunt & St Ledger is very strange too.

[Guidedbyvoices]

The real reason all Football Associations have Friendlies is to secure revenue.....the blooding of new players,practising new formations etc is secondary.

In fact, as most Clubs (and it seems the players too) do not want International Friendlies, and go out of their way at times to "arrange" slight knocks/niggles to players so that they are not risked in what they deem meaningless games.


Yes. That may or may not be the case, but I would have thought that Trap as manager with a mind of his own would want the best from his managerial stint. If this is the case surely he would like to look at players who have the potential to make his team better? If he sees something in the likes of Miller, Stokes, Bruce and some of the other numphies he has brought along there is something seriously wrong]

I for one would rather go to a match to watch the likes of Garvan, McCann, McCarthy St Ledger and Noel Hunt and I am sure there are many more like me.

It will be interesting to see how many of the current squad pull out. Not too many me thinks.It will be their only chance to play a bit of football this season.

[ifk101]

Yes. That may or may not be the case, but I would have thought that Trap as manager with a mind of his own would want the best from his managerial stint. If this is the case surely he would like to look at players who have the potential to make his team better? If he sees something in the likes of Miller, Stokes, Bruce and some of the other numphies he has brought along there is something seriously wrong]

I for one would rather go to a match to watch the likes of Garvan, McCann, McCarthy St Ledger and Noel Hunt and I am sure there are many more like me.

It will be interesting to see how many of the current squad pull out. Not too many me thinks.It will be their only chance to play a bit of football this season.

There's a B international now and then. Plenty of Championship players on show in those games.

Go through previous threads on this forum down through the years and you'll find plenty of incidents where forum posters were demanding the call-up of certain players such as Stokes and other numphies as you call them. Noel Hunt is flavour of the month at the moment but is he better than Keane or Doyle? Personally I'd prefer the partnership of Keane and Doyle to get more game time together. I think the more they play together, the better they'll get.

[Junior]

There's a B international now and then. Plenty of Championship players on show in those games.

Go through previous threads on this forum down through the years and you'll find plenty of incidents where forum posters were demanding the call-up of certain players such as Stokes and other numphies as you call them. Noel Hunt is flavour of the month at the moment but is he better than Keane or Doyle? Personally I'd prefer the partnership of Keane and Doyle to get more game time together. I think the more they play together, the better they'll get.

Its interesting that Hunt, whilst at Dundee Utd last year, and playing particularly well, didnt appear to get that much positive talk from foot.ie posters. Certainly not to the extent that he was a shoe in for a squad place.

He moves to Reading, carries on his good form, continues to be excluded from the squad....and all hell breaks loose!!

[tetsujin1979]

Its interesting that Hunt, whilst at Dundee Utd last year, and playing particularly well, didnt appear to get that much positive talk from foot.ie posters. Certainly not to the extent that he was a shoe in for a squad place.

He moves to Reading, carries on his good form, continues to be excluded from the squad....and all hell breaks loose!!
Hunt did get some mentions, but he was mostly disregarded with the usual "he plays in Scotland, so he's crap" type arguments. Ironically enough, some of these posters are now pushing for Jamie McCarthy to get a call up.

[Dr. Ogba]

Its interesting that Hunt, whilst at Dundee Utd last year, and playing particularly well, didnt appear to get that much positive talk from foot.ie posters. Certainly not to the extent that he was a shoe in for a squad place.

He moves to Reading, carries on his good form, continues to be excluded from the squad....and all hell breaks loose!!

well Championship >>>>>>>>Scottish Prem to be fair....

[paul_oshea]

I think its naive to assume that everything is fine and dandy and ignore the under-current.

Eventually its going to go wrong and then people will all be jumping on the wagon.

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

[dr_peepee]

I think its naive to assume that everything is fine and dandy and ignore the under-current.

Eventually its going to go wrong and then people will all be jumping on the wagon.

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

Hear hear!!!

[ifk101]

I think its naive to assume that everything is fine and dandy and ignore the under-current.

Eventually its going to go wrong and then people will all be jumping on the wagon.

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

Should we sack Trapattoni now or should we wait, paul_onostradamus?

[Stuttgart88]

I think the bulk of the squad picks itself and most of the debate is on the fringe players – the “next in lines”. In this instance I think the fringe players aren’t the best fringe players. We need to plan for contingencies and the firm impression is given that we’re not looking at our best options.

If Andrews is a better player now than Garvan for example then fine. I find it hard to tell. Maybe I am getting too hung up on potential and if Miller is a better player than Garvan & O’Toole, again so be it. If Miller was in Ipswich’s midfield would he do better than Garvan? Maybe, it is about his level after all.

Even in Andy Reid’s case I think it’s fair to say that Trap doesn’t see him as a CM option. He should, however, be considered as a different type of wide player than Duff, McGeady or Hunt.

I’m disappointed because this type of game (and let’s not forget the 4 days or so that Trap has the squad together for a warts and all inspection) is the ideal time to look at one or two of the fringe players – I’m not saying all 6 or 7.

With regard to Hunt: it’s not a drastic error but players playing well have to be rewarded over players who aren’t even playing.

[ifk101]

I think the bulk of the squad picks itself and most of the debate is on the fringe players – the “next in lines”. In this instance I think the fringe players aren’t the best fringe players. We need to plan for contingencies and the firm impression is given that we’re not looking at our best options.

If Andrews is a better player now than Garvan for example then fine. I find it hard to tell. Maybe I am getting too hung up on potential and if Miller is a better player than Garvan & O’Toole, again so be it. If Miller was in Ipswich’s midfield would he do better than Garvan? Maybe, it is about his level after all.

Even in Andy Reid’s case I think it’s fair to say that Trap doesn’t see him as a CM option. He should, however, be considered as a different type of wide player than Duff, McGeady or Hunt.

I’m disappointed because this type of game (and let’s not forget the 4 days or so that Trap has the squad together for a warts and all inspection) is the ideal time to look at one or two of the fringe players – I’m not saying all 6 or 7.

With regard to Hunt: it’s not a drastic error but players playing well have to be rewarded over players who aren’t even playing.

But he is looking at fringe players.

There are a number of players in that squad that have have yet to be capped at senior level or that only have a handfull of caps.

I personally think Garvan is a great prospect but I don't see how he fits in with Trapattoni's formation and tactics. The same goes for Andy Reid and, if he made himself available, Stephen Ireland.

There're 3 strikers in the squad that have yet to be adequately tested at international level. Whelan, Gibson and Andrews likewise in midfield and the same with a number of selected defenders.

Trapattoni believes in his system of play - the team is more important than the individual.

[geysir]

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.
There are questions about the squad but so far Trap has got it right.
Getting it right is measured by success on the pitch
To claim he has got it wrong is, as ifk101 alludes to, mystic meg territory.

Trap will not shake up the squad in a friendly mid campaign just to have a look at new faces. He is using this friendly to further solidify his squad, for the rest of the campaign.

[Kingdom]

I think the bulk of the squad picks itself and most of the debate is on the fringe players – the “next in lines”. In this instance I think the fringe players aren’t the best fringe players. We need to plan for contingencies and the firm impression is given that we’re not looking at our best options.

If Andrews is a better player now than Garvan for example then fine. I find it hard to tell. Maybe I am getting too hung up on potential and if Miller is a better player than Garvan & O’Toole, again so be it. If Miller was in Ipswich’s midfield would he do better than Garvan? Maybe, it is about his level after all.

Even in Andy Reid’s case I think it’s fair to say that Trap doesn’t see him as a CM option. He should, however, be considered as a different type of wide player than Duff, McGeady or Hunt.

I’m disappointed because this type of game (and let’s not forget the 4 days or so that Trap has the squad together for a warts and all inspection) is the ideal time to look at one or two of the fringe players – I’m not saying all 6 or 7.

With regard to Hunt: it’s not a drastic error but players playing well have to be rewarded over players who aren’t even playing.

As rational and level headed as usual. Class is permanent:)

[geysir]

Andy Reid and Joey O´Brien are good enough for the squad but if they have not met Trap's expressed standards, Trap is under no obligation to select them.

[Stuttgart88]

But he is looking at fringe players.True, but you can't really say that in the case of Foley for instance he's taking a punt. He really has no other option with Finnan and Kelly out & McShane unimpressive.

Garvan & Gibson are similar players in both style & physique. I personally think Garvan is a better bet than Gibson.

I think Reid's omission is just plain wrong.

[ifk101]

True, but you can't really say that in the case of Foley for instance he's taking a punt. He really has no other option with Finnan and Kelly out & McShane unimpressive.

Garvan & Gibson are similar players in both style & physique. I personally think Garvan is a better bet than Gibson.

I think Reid's omission is just plain wrong.

I'm in agreement with you about Garvan/Gibson - I think Garvan is the better of the two but Trapattoni has had a close look at Garvan on a number of occasions at this stage so we can't say he hasn't evaluated his options in this instance.

The following is an extract taken from toda'sy Irish Times regarding Trapattoni and Andy Reid,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1111/1226355683923.html

"I have nothing against any player, they are all like my children. I just want a solid team with a good balance that plays international football. Like this table, with its legs, you have to be solid. Andy has very good qualities but not necessarily what we need.

It's nothing against one particular player, let's make it clear. I know that if we get to the point where our team dominates the game and we have the right balance, then, of course, Andy can be very useful to us. This particular position only works if we are playing the ball, but if we are under pressure then this particular type of play doesn't work. I can't turn someone into a worker. I can't turn someone into a craftsman if that is not his job.

I wanted to test the situation in Portugal but there was injury. I didn't get the chance to try him and now it's qualify, qualify, qualify . . . we can't gamble.

I've been able to build a team that has a certain balance and I can't keep changing, I need to stick to what I've found. I have to be coherent. There is a philosopher who says, if you are too coherent, you run the risk of being an imbecile, but I can't keep changing."

I think this is fair enough. Trapattoni knows what he wants and unfortunately Andy Reid doesn't fit in the picture.

[seanfhear]

Trapattoni is not planning for the long term.We need to qualify for this tournament and I believe that whether we qualify or not Trapattoni will not be staying on beyound this time(hopefully after South Africa 2006)I think that his regular squad are the players he has put his faith and loyalty into and that he is not going to make major changes.Whether this is the correct thing to do or not I just think that is the way its going to be.Its a short term plan but from Trapattonis point of view the longer term can be left to the next manager.

[tetsujin1979]

Trapattoni is not planning for the long term.
He's not going to be here in the long term, isn't his contract only up until the World Cup in South Africa?

[Stuttgart88]

unfortunately Andy Reid doesn't fit in the picture.isn't it extraodinary the number of unintentional puns that come up when discussing Andy Reid?

[Kingdom]

He's not going to be here in the long term, isn't his contract only up until the World Cup in South Africa?

Thats always been my reading of it. I was presuming (probably incorrectly) that Brady and Tardelli, if the partnership is relatively decent this campaign would go forward as the next managerial appointment.
If they were it would make sense for one of them to be in charge of a regular B squad over the next 18 months, in order to have a decent progression after this campaign.

Lets face it, after WC2010, the following will go/may go,
Kiely, Finnan, Kilbane, Carsley,
while the following will need to seriously buck up their careers to be considered,
Miller, Delaney, Murphy (J), Gibson, Long.

[mypost]

Apologies if it's been posted before, but Dummy's gone mad since the squad was announced, and apart from the usual pro-Reid stuff, he believes Trappattoni should be sacked because he doesn't watch the players at their clubs. :rolleyes:

His interview is on the RTE football audio page.


He doesn't go to matches

Why should he go?? That's what he has a back-up team for.

There's little point in him flying over to PL/Championship games, featuring teams who play a completely different style of football from what he does.


I don’t think that Staunton would have done any worse to be honest and certainly Kerr and McCarthy could have done better,

Last year, we were 10 points behind the qualifiers. This year, we're 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand. And some people think the above would do better??

[Wolfie]

Apologies if it's been posted before, but Dummy's gone mad since the squad was announced, and apart from the usual pro-Reid stuff, he believes Trappattoni should be sacked because he doesn't watch the players at their clubs. :rolleyes:

His interview is on the RTE football audio page.

Yeah - just what we need. Another tragi-comic search for a new manager.

[shakermaker1982]

Klinsmann got the same kind of stick when managing Germany at the last WC i.e. didn't live in the country and didn't go to enough games. I don't care about that but I do think that omitting form players like Noel Hunt and Rory Delap is plain stupid. Most of the squad aren't ven playing regular football so he's only going on a few training sessions with them - why not broaden the net and call up a larger squad of players?

[carloz]

I think that newspaper article that was posted on the last page backs up the point i made initially. He is punishing players who weren't involved in the Portuguese training camp. A small bit of me can understand his logic but players simply have to be picked on form. Miller, Bruce, Long, Gibson Folan are simply not getting game time so to call them up ahead of players in form is, quite frankly, wrong. I can probably add Murphy to that list as he is playing in League 1 while Westwood is getting rave reviews in the Championship. Trap has to start making a bit more of an effort at seeing the fringe players play in England. With the wages he is getting that should be a given

[Junior]

There's little point in him flying over to PL/Championship games, featuring teams who play a completely different style of football from what he does.

Seriously...do you even think that is a point?

Which games should he watch then as a manager of our team?

[Junior]

Hunt did get some mentions, but he was mostly disregarded with the usual "he plays in Scotland, so he's crap" type arguments. Ironically enough, some of these posters are now pushing for Jamie McCarthy to get a call up.

Nail...head.......My point exactly........

[boovidge]

I'm amazed that Noel Hunt and McCarthy haven't been called up to be honest. Also, we've had brilliant prospects in centre midfield for years and they've always just been "about to make the break -through". If we don't blood these youngsters soon then it'll be much harder to in the next campaign when they'll be needed.

I realise Trap's pragmatic and concentrating on qualifying first and foremost but surely Noel Hunt's good enough to do a job for us this campaign over Long who's not getting a game in the same Championship team?

This stubborn approach to team selection may alienate some players and whilst i don't agree with players retireing from international football and throwing their rattle out the pram, it's a real possibility. Look at Boyd with Scotland.

[livehead1]

Nail...head.......My point exactly........

You're comparing the two on such as basic level and I don' think that is any real benefit. Noel Hunt was 24-25 when playing for Dundee United and performing well without doing anything spectacular. Indeed most would openly admit that the players who perform very well on a consistant basis in Scotland attract bids from the Old Firm.

McCarthy on the other hand is 18 years of age tomorrow. He has performed over 80 times for his club, has been linked with just about every top club side in Europe and is constantly receiving overtures from Scotland.

As a result I believe it is possible to clamour for McCarthy's involvement in a full Ireland squad whilst still retaining the belief that the Scottish league is 'a load of tosh'.

[Junior]

My original point was really that Noel Hunt had largely been ignored whilst having a great season for Dundee Utd last season, though now he has banged in a few goals for Reading every poster and his dog wants him called up (By the way I think he should have been included). At 25 years of age, thankfully he is not past his sell by date just yet.

I was not really looking to compare him to McCarthy who from the little Ive seen and read about is a great prospect (though he was largely ineffective in the recent game against Celtic at Celtic Park).

He has done great to get 80 odd appearances at such a young age, remember though that these appearances are in a league that is a 'load of tosh'......no wait, its worse than that, because they were largely in a league below that one. I doubt every top club side in europe have even heard of Hamilton Academicals.

I suppose what Im getting at, is the trend of fans/posters just looking to get every young Irish player that happens to get a few headlines in the squad (another example being Cillian Sheridan who should be nowhere near an international squad for some time yet).

Hopefully they both get a shot at some stage.....................

[Junior]

A point I dont think anyone has picked up on is McGeadys inclusion. Currently injured (and was at the time the squad was announced), certainly not in Celtics squad for tomorrow nights SPL game against Killie, though there is another game on Saturday and he might be back

Possible withdrawal?? will it be a wasted squad space? - are there any other players in the squad currently injured?

[Kingdom]

A point I dont think anyone has picked up on is McGeadys inclusion. Currently injured (and was at the time the squad was announced), certainly not in Celtics squad for tomorrow nights SPL game against Killie, though there is another game on Saturday and he might be back

Possible withdrawal?? will it be a wasted squad space? - are there any other players in the squad currently injured?


That is probably where the Provisional squad rumours a few days ago. I'd imagine there are players on standby in case of withdrawals.

[weldoninhio]

Why should he go?? That's what he has a back-up team for.

There's little point in him flying over to PL/Championship games, featuring teams who play a completely different style of football from what he does.



Last year, we were 10 points behind the qualifiers. This year, we're 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand. And some people think the above would do better??

We were 10 points behind the qualifiers at the end of qualifying, so your point about being 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand is not very relevant at the moment is it??:confused:

And as for why should he go?? I can think of about 3 million reasons a year why he should be going to games.

And just a mention to the people who think Doyle and Keane should start and get as much playing time together, what happens if one or both of them get injured??

And finally, as a blackburn fan. Keith Andrews was at his level in league one.

[Guidedbyvoices]

We were 10 points behind the qualifiers at the end of qualifying, so your point about being 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand is not very relevant at the moment is it??:confused:

And as for why should he go?? I can think of about 3 million reasons a year why he should be going to games.

And just a mention to the people who think Doyle and Keane should start and get as much playing time together, what happens if one or both of them get injured??

And finally, as a blackburn fan. Keith Andrews was at his level in league one.


Good man. I fully agree.Four posts, two of which i have read and they are spot on. keep up the good work.

[livehead1]

And finally, as a blackburn fan. Keith Andrews was at his level in league one.

It was League Two. However, I don't think its possible to judge a player after less than 10 games. He's not doing too bad and there is always going to be great apprehension when a player of his age makes such a jump in divisions when the norm seems to be get a player in from abroad. I doubt he would be met with as much derision if he was a name from abroad that nobody had heard of. I say give him a chance to prove himself. Saying that, I wouldn't have included him in the full international squad. But then again, there are plenty of unproven players in the squad, he'll be in good company!

[On The Ball]

This squad should have been like a b team squad.give the fringe player's a chance.That way you get to see who's able and who's not.Few regulars in there but majority should be fringe player's.The result is regardless i think,should be about bedding player's in and giving them games.murphy,westwood,fahey,garvan,o'toole,mccarth y,even morrison should all be in the squad and don't get me started on how reid isn't in the squad.Like noel hunt is outscoring long and keeping him out of the team yet long is in the squad.Surely everyone can see that's wrong.What must hunt be thinking he has to do to get in the squad?

[Jicked]

Its unbelievable that people are in uproar over the omission of Rory ****ing Delap. An honest pro, a good trier, but its 32 year old Rory ****ing Delap.
"Yeah but I saw Stoke v. Spurs on Sky a few weeks ago and I've heard his throws are amazing".
Lads, its Rory Delap. He isn't going to reinvent our midfield. He'd do exactly the same job as the other players in the squad, though he's a little older, and forgive me but I believe he operates on the right of a midfield at Stoke (unlike many on here I'm happy to admit I haven't seen players play at Stoke before screaming for their inclusion).

I am one of Noel Hunt's biggest fans, he's the best striker I've ever seen play for my club and he's a bloody nice fella. I'd tear my arm off to be able to watch him play week in week out. But because he's been keeping Long out of the Reading team for a month or so now doesn't mean I no longer trust one of the most respected managers in world football, and that he should be thrust in to international football, especially when you remember Long has been involved in squads for a couple of years now and is more familiar with the set up etc. Lets get real, they're competing for 4th place striker in the squad. What if he called Noelio up at Longs expense, but by the time the March qualifiers come around Long is in form and Noel Hunt is on the bench? Would it be ridiculous to leave Hunt in the squad in that case?

There's more to picking a squad then scanning teletext to see who has scored this week.

[mypost]

We were 10 points behind the qualifiers at the end of qualifying, so your point about being 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand is not very relevant at the moment is it??:confused:

It is. We have a boss who is getting us results, regardless of the quality of opposition. The kind of opposition we've dropped points to in recent campaigns. Should we win our next two games, and Italy fail to beat Montenegro, we will go to Italy clear on top of the group. It's a long time since we were in such a position.


And as for why should he go?? I can think of about 3 million reasons a year why he should be going to games.

List them all then.

He has 4 back-up staff to do that for him. He is not contractually obliged to watch any players. By contrast, Steve Staunton lost at Derby tonight. Yet another poster thinks he would do no worse than Trappattoni. :rolleyes:

Regarding Reid, Andy Reid has started 2 games for Sunderland this season. He also has weight issues, and that clearly influences Trap's thinking. He is not the kind of player he wants. He wants grafters, who can last 90 minutes, and is capable of holding the ball up when defending leads. Trap obviously doesn't think Reid can.

He has won everything in the game, so he knows what he's doing. The comparison with Klinsmann when he was German boss is accurate.

[theworm2345]

I don't rate McCarthy at this point and wouldn't have him near the squad for the actual qualifiers but at least lock him up!

[dr_peepee]

There's more to picking a squad then scanning teletext to see who has scored this week.

Exactly.... And when you find Trapps criteria for picking his squads enlighten me!!


A few posters here are pegging those of us that are unhappy as merely Championing Andy Reid, Noel Hunt or Rory Delap. Balls. Read all of them and comment on all of them. Other wise it's a cop out

It's basic evolutionay theory. It's not the quickest or the strongest that do well, it's those best equiped to deal with change!!!!! Trapps doing alright now with his first choice eleven. We got a couple of yellows against Cyprus and bound to get more. There's the innevitable injuries. Trapps squad is stagnant and based on a training camp in portugal and a B international against Forrest...

It's business. Scan the environment for change and react accordingly. Form changes, player availibilty changes, attitudes changes. I'm not talking about change for the sake of change I'm talking about Trapp not even scanning to see if there are better options to insulate yourself from the effects of change. I'm talking about Trapp not going to games. I'm talking about Trapp not even knowing Delap is an option, never mind rejecting him. I'm talking about not using Friendlies to check options. I'm talking about inconsystencies in what he's saying (previous posts). It's lazy for me.

So I'm not tipping mickeys with Delap ar Reid.. I'm predicting the the last 10 minutes against Cyprus is a sign of things to come.... We haven't seen Trapp do enough to ensure we've the best bacfill options or plan B.

[ifk101]

Exactly.... And when you find Trapps criteria for picking his squads enlighten me!!

Teambuilding, organisation, structure, discipline, continuity, mentality .... need we go on? Trapattoni's "actions" are clearly defined and calculated.


A few posters here are pegging those of us that are unhappy as merely Championing Andy Reid, Noel Hunt or Rory Delap. Balls. Read all of them and comment on all of them. Other wise it's a cop out

It's basic evolutionay theory. It's not the quickest or the strongest that do well, it's those best equiped to deal with change!!!!! Trapps doing alright now with his first choice eleven. We got a couple of yellows against Cyprus and bound to get more. There's the innevitable injuries. Trapps squad is stagnant and based on a training camp in portugal and a B international against Forrest...

It's business. Scan the environment for change and react accordingly. Form changes, player availibilty changes, attitudes changes. I'm not talking about change for the sake of change I'm talking about Trapp not even scanning to see if there are better options to insulate yourself from the effects of change. I'm talking about Trapp not going to games. I'm talking about Trapp not even knowing Delap is an option, never mind rejecting him. I'm talking about not using Friendlies to check options. I'm talking about inconsystencies in what he's saying (previous posts). It's lazy for me.

So I'm not tipping mickeys with Delap ar Reid.. I'm predicting the the last 10 minutes against Cyprus is a sign of things to come.... We haven't seen Trapp do enough to ensure we've the best bacfill options or plan B.

Evolution theory? :rolleyes: Trapattoni is building a team - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts :D. Try to put yourself in the position of Trapattoni and look at it from his perspective and not your own.

As for not checking his options - how many players attended the training camp in Portugal, were included in the senior match squads and the B international match squad, and how many players start a football match?

By all means attack the man if we lose a game or two (for the exact date as to when this will happen ask paul_oshea) but Trapattoni is demonstrating clear method behind his madness and I have no reason to question his abilities of leading us to a World Cup at this stage in time. And I'd have no problem in letting Trapattoni drive the train to Cork. :D

[geysir]

Both Reid and O'Brien, it would appear, have decided not to be a part of the squad or have fallen foul of the management (temporarily?).
I can't comment on the championship players, I haven't seen them in a senior game.
Do people here actually watch televised championship games?

From the beginning Trap said that success with his teams are not about playing the best football but the best teamwork, defend with 7 attack with 4 (sounds like a line from Animal farm).

[NeilMcD]

Exactly.... And when you find Trapps criteria for picking his squads enlighten me!!


A few posters here are pegging those of us that are unhappy as merely Championing Andy Reid, Noel Hunt or Rory Delap. Balls. Read all of them and comment on all of them. Other wise it's a cop out

It's basic evolutionay theory. It's not the quickest or the strongest that do well, it's those best equiped to deal with change!!!!! Trapps doing alright now with his first choice eleven. We got a couple of yellows against Cyprus and bound to get more. There's the innevitable injuries. Trapps squad is stagnant and based on a training camp in portugal and a B international against Forrest...

It's business. Scan the environment for change and react accordingly. Form changes, player availibilty changes, attitudes changes. I'm not talking about change for the sake of change I'm talking about Trapp not even scanning to see if there are better options to insulate yourself from the effects of change. I'm talking about Trapp not going to games. I'm talking about Trapp not even knowing Delap is an option, never mind rejecting him. I'm talking about not using Friendlies to check options. I'm talking about inconsystencies in what he's saying (previous posts). It's lazy for me.

So I'm not tipping mickeys with Delap ar Reid.. I'm predicting the the last 10 minutes against Cyprus is a sign of things to come.... We haven't seen Trapp do enough to ensure we've the best bacfill options or plan B.

somebody is reading too many business managment books