Going by laws of the game: did Mannus score an own goal against Derry?

**SkStu** · 09/07/2011, 4:44 PM

MNS Twitter - Mannus officially credited with o.g. last night.

http://twitter.com/#!/rtemns

**legendz** · 09/07/2011, 5:38 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

MNS Twitter - Mannus officially credited with o.g. last night.

http://twitter.com/#!/rtemns

Good stuff!

**legendz** · 09/07/2011, 5:45 PM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/...amrovers1.html

Under the picture on the match report they went with: Daniel Lafferty - Celebrates his goal.

It should read his assist!

**DannyInvincible** · 09/07/2011, 6:02 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I didn't see the goal but generally wouldn't it have to be going off target for it to be credited as a Mannus own goal? He would have to have directed it into the goal from the shot going off target. If it was going on target and hit Mannus, then its a Lafferty goal but if going off target and hit Mannus, then its a Mannus OG.

Technically, you could argue it was going ("out") for a goal-kick until Mannus touched it. His touch was the significant factor and the equivalent of a player knocking it on target in another situation, so it would be correct to put it down as a Mannus OG in my mind.

**mypost** · 10/07/2011, 8:26 AM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I didn't see the goal but generally wouldn't it have to be going off target for it to be credited as a Mannus own goal? He would have to have directed it into the goal from the shot going off target. If it was going on target and hit Mannus, then its a Lafferty goal but if going off target and hit Mannus, then its a Mannus OG.

It's an og, end of. Mannus knew it was an og too, by his reaction.

I don't abide by the "on-off target" business. Imo, if a shot is deflected in a different direction, it's an og. If the shot isn't sent in a different direction, e.g Robbie Keane v Macedonia, then the goal is credited to the attacker. On Friday, Mannus has hold of the ball, lets it slip and it goes in. Own Goal.

**legendz** · 10/07/2011, 9:10 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

It's an og, end of. Mannus knew it was an og too, by his reaction.

I don't abide by the "on-off target" business. Imo, if a shot is deflected in a different direction, it's an og. If the shot isn't sent in a different direction, e.g Robbie Keane v Macedonia, then the goal is credited to the attacker. On Friday, Mannus has hold of the ball, lets it slip and it goes in. Own Goal.

The only reason this is an OG is because it was an indirect free-kick. The ball was on target, had it got straight in, the goal would've been disallowed and a goal kick awarded. Mannus' touch made the ball active hence it is his own goal as his touch is the only reason the goal stood.

**outspoken** · 10/07/2011, 8:56 PM

Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Beacuse if he was hoping for that he would have put it where the biggest crowd of players was surely?
He didnt do that.

The biggest crowd of players would have been dead center of the wall and unless it had massive power it wouldn't have gone through so like I said he just took a gamble and like someone said above mannus instinct would have been to save it he didn't have time to think il let this in.

**fionnsci** · 10/07/2011, 9:31 PM

Off the point but someone earlier mentioned kicking the ball in the direction of opposition players from an indirect free kick in the hope that it would rebound off them into the net. Anyway, I read once of a ref penalising this, calling it unsportsmanlike conduct, and awarding an indirect free out. I'm a ref, never would have done that before but it's certainly food for thought. You can see how kicking the ball at an opponent deliberately could be considered an offence.

**TheBoss** · 11/07/2011, 1:15 AM

Since we are about Goalie OG's, Philly Hughes was given this goal, but should it be an own goal, looks like the goalie had it and then dropped it in the net. Goal about 02:15.

**brendy_éire** · 11/07/2011, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by fionnsci

You can see how kicking the ball at an opponent deliberately could be considered an offence.

No-one is ever punished for a striker kicking the ball against a defender to win a corner though. IMO, it'd be fair enough to kick an indirect free-kick at an opponent, so long as there was no deliberate attempt to injure the player.

**Dodge** · 11/07/2011, 1:14 PM

http://inform.fai.ie/Statsportal/Fix...8&matchID=8944

There's the offical report.

**A N Mouse** · 11/07/2011, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by fionnsci

Off the point but someone earlier mentioned kicking the ball in the direction of opposition players from an indirect free kick in the hope that it would rebound off them into the net. Anyway, I read once of a ref penalising this, calling it unsportsmanlike conduct, and awarding an indirect free out. I'm a ref, never would have done that before but it's certainly food for thought. You can see how kicking the ball at an opponent deliberately could be considered an offence.

Interesting one.

I think it would depend on where the original free was awarded. Inside the box, such that the opponents are unable to retreat the full distance then blasting the ball goalward in the hope of getting a deflection is definitely unsporting - and I suppose deliberately blasting an indirect free at a wall could count similarly.

**SkStu** · 11/07/2011, 5:05 PM

if the defender is standing between the ball and the net then it is very difficult to say it is unsporting, or at the least it is impossible to prove that such an action was intentional and unsporting. It would be a brave, brave ref that awarded a free out for that "offence".

**brendy_éire** · 12/07/2011, 10:07 PM

According to Danny Lafferty, he didn't realise it was indirect and was hitting a shot on goal.
It was only during the celebrations the other players told him it was indirect, but at that stage he didn't really care.