QuoteI think we need a better poll, containing the real candidates. Any chance of having a first, second, third choice???Originally Posted by Bondvillain
It all sounds like a Monty Phython sketch.Me? I know nothing
As for what's going on, no, but then again I don't think the left hand knows what the right hand is doing either.
All I can say is that I believe outside forces are manipulating this whole process for whatever reasons and that the dynamic changes daily if not hourly.
It'll all end in tears regardless whether that's next week or next year.
Hopefully someone will expose the whole charade
I think we need a better poll, containing the real candidates. Any chance of having a first, second, third choice???
Thats it Bosnich has given his seal of approval.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/smalltal...219477,00.html
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I really did not see anything special with Dunphy's tirade against Venables.
A balanced presentation of a coach's credentials has much more real credibility. A total fanatic biased argument for or against a candidate looks weak.
And screaming his Rod Liddle moralising lines was Dunphy at his pathetic worst.
It's not a court battle.
There was nobody on that program presenting Venables as the next messiah.
It was okay with most people because they happen to agree with Dunphy, then the flip side is when its vindictive and poisonous personal tirades against the team, the managment, as we have seen over 20 years.
He says:
"I wanted to tell you that if there's a chance of getting him, Ireland should seize it with both hands. He's a great manager - in fact, he's a great man."
And there's me thinking that Bosnich had quit using the halluciagenic powder!
Tact is for people who are not witty enough to be sarcastic
Are you me in disguise
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Drug using, (alleged) girfriend beating failed soccer star recommends Venables.
joke......someone start a petition!
'How can I hate women, my Mums one!!!' Chris Finch
How about
We need meat not vegtables.
No, but there has been an overwhelming media campaign advocating Venables based on very flimsy evidence. This media campaign has also sought to undermine the opinions of those who don't agree.
Dunphy put the case against Venables based on reasonable evidence. Most of what he said was said here by me, D69er and many others.
Attack the argument, not the man presenting it.
Funny thing is, if TV did get the job he'd probably be the most experienced manager ever to have the job. I just think we can do better and should aim for better.
I'm attacking Dunphy´s tabloid style of argument not Dunphy.
Can´t you see the difference.
His personalised attacks on Venables, a la Rod Little.
His fanatic one sided arguments.
Objectivly looking at that program, I would value, as having a ton more weight, Giles's reservations about Venables.
He won't be able to focus on the job.
Either way the substance of his argument (whether you were attacking him or his presentational style - personally I thought it wasn't clear) holds water. Giles's concern is valid but on the positive side Giles was acting more on a hunch based on what "people" had told him. I just hope any appointment is based on a rigourous and thought out assessment of candidates' merits and demerits.
Separately, what's this supposed to mean (Emmet Malone in Irish Times today):
Although Delaney has repeatedly stressed that the association's aim is to have the new man in place in time for the friendly against Brazil in early February, it is anticipated that after this afternoon's meeting [with the selection panel] is out of the way, the panel members could meet with the Londoner within a matter of days and, theoretically at least, an appointment could quite easily be made before Christmas.
Is this trying to imply that the panel is almost certain to recommend Venables, or is part in emboldened print just mischief making?
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I'm not saying Venables is the messiah but I think he is one of a number of candidates who passes the basic qualifications. I agree Hodgson does too, but I feel not enough is made of the fact that when given major club jobs he has been unsuccesful. Also his only experience with 'British' style players is not great.
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Not sure what you mean that is record was not great with British style players. He got Blackburn to the Uefa cup one season and then the next they had a poor start and he was sacked in much the same way that Martin Jol was sacked this year, Brian Kidd took over and they got relegated. It would be like sacking Mark Hughes next season if they have a poor start. Does that make Mark Hughes a bad manager.
In addition I would argue that many of our midfielders are not the typical British style player in that Ireland, Reid, Miller Duff McGeady do not fall into this category. I dont think your points stand up to be honest.
The other major club he managed and he got Inter to a Uefa Cup Final and respective finishes in the league.
Finally we are not a major club, we are a mid ranking European International team and his record with such teams, is
2 qualifactions and 1 near miss or 32 games played 4 losses. To put that into perspective, Ireland lost 3 games from 12 in the last campaign.
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I think he is saying that they are going to meet Venables this week and if that goes well theoretically they could appoint him before Christmas. I don't think this is going to happen as they are going to have to chat or interview other people than Terry Venables in my view. I am actually quietly confident that Venables will not get the job.
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If a microphone is stuck under a players nose and asked what do you think of Terry Venables then I'd regard that as having no value.
With Giles, he talks football with a lot of people, he has his hunches and his instincts but they are coming out of a place with decades of experience with playing and coaching at high enough levels.
It has value when he has discussed Venables's coaching credibility with players and other coaches and got their unsolicited opinions. Giles can discriminate the merits of those opinions.
That Venables can coach is supported by many in the game.
That too many self interests get in the way of him doing the job with the dedication it deserves is imo the biggest evident negative on EL Tels cv.
The nature of the Irish job allows him free range to continue with his outside interests.
He should stick with the business interests imo.
Do we know if he's done that?
You see what I'm getting at here? I'm in no way convinced that those advocating, or even cautiously positive on, Venables have done any degree of due diligence.
Players seem to respect Venables and I dont think we would have a problem with players not wanting to play a la S. Ireland.On the other hand he seems to have the attn span of a flea and never sees projects through to the end.
Its easy to tell when Giles hasn´t a clue what he is talking about.
He´ll resort to a stock phrase after a few ehhs.
if he gets the job i'll be known as "backtothechaironitvbetweenjimrozenthalandandytown send"
Here's Liam Mackey's view on Venables (positive) in today's Examiner. He puts forward a decent case.
Worth putting up here to add to the debate.
http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...343-qqqx=1.asp
If Venables gets it so be it, and as Mackey says it's not an exact science, he may well do a good job - he's bound to be an improvement - but the "process" stinks. It's like reading about the elections in some dodgy African backwater.
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