I thought thats what the army did 38 years ago?Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Eg What Are Gibson's "political/non-footballing" Motives For Playing For Us And Not Your Lot??
I thought thats what the army did 38 years ago?
So what you're saying [emboldened] is that the IFA should spend their scarce resources developing young players so that they (the players) may then opt to play for another Association, should it suit them?
I'm sorry, but notwithstanding the right within the Rules of any youngster to switch, that's not what I pay my admission or membership money to the IFA for - and I would say that equally in respect of players who wish to switch to ROI, England or any other Association.
Last edited by EalingGreen; 31/08/2007 at 12:29 PM.
[QUOTE=EalingGreen;759889]EG you are the one who comes on here talking about NI being the successor to the team , or indeed the continuation of the team prior to 1921 or 1950 and you dotn know what flag they played under ???The original IFA represented the island of Ireland, not 6 counties in the north east of the country (as it was then) and certainly didn't fly a defunct sectarian flag.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what flag, if any, the IFA flew prior to 1921. But I am certain that the IFA will never have flown any "sectarian" flag of any sort, defunct or current, at any stage before or since.
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
[QUOTE=RogerMilla;759940]sure the mans a muppet i've said it for months! how anyone can have as much time as that to post such diatribe on numerous forums is beyond me!
Sophistry of the highest order. How can Ravenhill not be in Ireland?Absurd.
Was he crazy!! Yeah , in a very special way , an Irishman.
I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
I'm talking sport chum.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
lol sorry, just having the craic with ya!!! Last day at work, no court attendance and off to majorca on monday, I am ON IT!!I'm talking sport chum.
Putting interpretations of FIFA rules aside.
I can respect any NI born Irish National choosing to play for the NI team. I don't see real substance with politics coming into the equation. I can imagine they are very proud to represent NI.
Do you respect an NI born Irish National's decision to choose the Irish team?
Enjoy your holiday.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Good lad - I like to see foot.e boys keeping out of trouble - please also keep up the good behaviour when you get back.
I imagine they would answer with "it's not about whether we have respect for his decision. It's about whether it's valid under FIFA's elegibility rules".
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Are you that well known troll who spends his life online touring sites using various names/handles.(including owc site)
You sound very like him.
LMFAO
I'm not quite sure what you're after with your question, but my point is that I am not entirely persuaded about Gibson's motives for adopting his "ROI or nothing" stance.
On the one hand, I can quite understand why someone who comes from a Nationalist background like his would prefer to play for the ROI over NI. I've no problem with such an aspiration and assuming he's eligible, then I wish him good luck (except if he should ever play against NI, that is!).
However, whilst a preference towards ROI is one thing, antipathy towards NI, even if that were the only option for international football open to him, is something else. And I can only conclude that his opposition to playing for NI is at least in part politically-motivated. Otherwise, why are the majority of other players from a Nationalist background, whether with the choice to represent ROI or not, still prepared to represent NI?
If I am correct in my surmising, then fair enough, he's entitled to believe whatever the hell he likes, but imo he is a lesser person for it than other (Nationalist) players who do not let personal political convictions cloud their reasoning over footballing issues. Or lesser than the likes of Alan Kernaghan. Or indeed, lesser than those northern Unionists (myself included), who always trooped to Lansdowne in their thousands to watch Ireland play, irrespective of the fact that it was under a flag (Tricolour) and to an anthem (Soldiers Song) which does not in any way represent our tradition on this island.
Having said all that, othere are one or two other aspects of this which don't quite fit. For one thing, DG was happy enough originally to represent NI in under-age football. Which in itself wouldn't necessarily mean anything, except that he has also mentioned previously that he fell out with an IFA coach who wanted him to play for NI at a time when MU were ofering him a trial. Why should that be pertinent, if he was always only ever going to represent ROI in the long term, anyhow?
And one other minor point is that a significant number of those youngsters currently switching from NI to ROI come from Derry, like Gibson. Which is understandable enough, seeing as how it's a Nationalist town, on the border, with its senior team playing in the Eircom. Except that DG is actually a product of Institute FC, the club from the "other" side of the river.
Anyhow, now that I've answered as best I can your question, Livehead, is there any chance you'll answer mine from yesterday? You know, when I asked you to find the post where you say I accused you of being a "bigot" , on account of your signature?
I know that the NI team administered by the IFA is the successor to the Ireland team administered by, ahem, the IFA, since it's pretty damned obvious.
But I don't know what flag, if any, flew over Windsor, Solitude, North, Lansdowne etc when Ireland were playing internationals 86+ years ago, since I'm not old enough* to have attended. I am, however, capable of disabusing those misinformed individuals who seem to think that the Union Flag currently flies over Windsor...
* - And even if I were, I'd probably be incapable of remembering
I had hoped I had made it perfectly clear in my previous posts, but I completely understand and respect an NI-born Nationalist's aspirations to represent the ROI and providing they comply with all of FIFA's eligibility criteria, then good luck to them all.
That includes Gibson, even despite the fact of his "ROI or nothing stance", which I can only conclude must not only be pro-ROI, but at least partly anti-NI in motivation. Indeed, if he should be ruled ineligible for ROI, and were prepared to change his mind about NI (however unlikely), I would not hold this against him.
Rather, I would leave it to the NI manager to determine, on footballing grounds, whether he should be selected or not.
That's a bit rich tbh EO - I think I have expressed my disapppointment at the celebratory stance you and your buddies adopt when Ireland lose, go through a hard time (plenty for you to celebrate I grant), drop in the rankings etc etc. Would you therefore concede that your antipathy is politically motiovated.
And to be fair I've not heard anything negative about NI from Gibson, only positive feelings for Ireland. You are looking for a political slant to justify the suite of unhealthy views you have built.
I'd always rooted for the North in the past, but the level of antipathy (& worse) from you guys makes it very hard to warm to supporters of your team.
And you would "imagine" completely wrongly, Maroon 7, at least as regards this poster, to whom Geysir's question was originally directed (see Post# 514)I imagine they would answer with "it's not about whether we have respect for his decision. It's about whether it's valid under FIFA's elegibility rules".
Ealing G in your answer you neglected to read and comprehend the conditional "Putting interpretations of FIFA rules aside."
I would say the likely interpretation is that the "Ireland or Nobody" is a reaction to the IFA and team Manager public bleating about Darron and his choice.
It has affected him and his family.
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