North v South cup competitions

**superfrank** · 20/07/2007, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

1942-43 Shamrock Rovers 2-2 Bohemians (on aggregate, Shamrock Rovers won on corners)

Are you for real?

**holidaysong** · 20/07/2007, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Are you for real?

Yeah it was used a lot back in the day around the world to decide the result. A good system too in my opinion. The attacking team gets rewarded. Better than a coin toss anyway!

**superfrank** · 20/07/2007, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by holidaysong

Yeah it was used a lot back in the day around the world to decide the result. A good system too in my opinion. The attacking team gets rewarded. Better than a coin toss anyway!

I suppose it was a good idea. What would happen if both teams had the same number of corners? Shots on goal?

**SolitudeRed** · 21/07/2007, 12:13 PM

Apparently Shamrock Rovers also won the now defunct Dublin City Cup twice on corners as well! obviously they are corner specialists as well as cup specialists!

**gspain** · 21/07/2007, 11:41 PM

The Irish News Cup was limited to teams from around the border so teams did not qualify on merit. Ballymena did reach the final one year and it's hardly a border area I appreciate but this was not a true north v south competition open to all.

As has been pointed out corners were used in the past to decide certain cup ties including the 1943 Inter city Cup final. 1 leg of which was played at Windsor Park. I think it is unliekly that Rovers will play Bohs again there.

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**SolitudeRed** · 22/07/2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

The Irish News Cup was limited to teams from around the border so teams did not qualify on merit. Ballymena did reach the final one year and it's hardly a border area I appreciate but this was not a true north v south competition open to all.

As has been pointed out corners were used in the past to decide certain cup ties including the 1943 Inter city Cup final. 1 leg of which was played at Windsor Park. I think it is unliekly that Rovers will play Bohs again there.

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That is quite strange! Belfast is closer to the border than Ballymena is! how many years did this Irish News cup run for?

you never know Rovers and Bohs could play each other in a Setanta cup final in Belfast! doesn't it alternate between Belfast and Dublin!

**GavinZac** · 22/07/2007, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by SolitudeRed

you never know Rovers and Bohs could play each other in a Setanta cup final in Belfast! doesn't it alternate between Belfast and Dublin!

I think the arrangement is that it alternates, unless both finalists are from the same association, in which case its hosted by that association.

For example, it was due to be played in N.Ireland this year, which meant the winners of Cork v Linfield would be at home for the final - Linfield, as the N.Ireland representatives, and Cork since drogs were already there and both united park and tolka park were unsuitable at the time.

**fbtn** · 23/07/2007, 12:04 AM

There was major trouble at many of the games during the Tyler Cup.

People in Ballybofey still talk about the visits of Linfield and Glentoran. It was total mayhem.

**dcfcsteve** · 29/07/2007, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

The Irish News Cup was limited to teams from around the border so teams did not qualify on merit. Ballymena did reach the final one year and it's hardly a border area I appreciate but this was not a true north v south competition open to all.

As has been pointed out corners were used in the past to decide certain cup ties including the 1943 Inter city Cup final. 1 leg of which was played at Windsor Park. I think it is unliekly that Rovers will play Bohs again there.

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The Irish News Cup sprung out of the old Ulster Tyre Cup competition that was a North-West trophy.

Initially involving just Derry and Harps, it got extended over the years to include Limavady, Coleraine, Omagh, Sligo and possibly Fanad (?). Ballymena were also included, though I didn't know that Dundalk were in it as well

**seand** · 30/07/2007, 7:19 AM

Dundalk played in the Irish News Cup at least once in the late 90s. We got hammered by Derry something like 8-1 on aggregate one year, maybe 97-8. Conceded 17 or 18 against Derry in five games that season!

**s-side hoop** · 30/07/2007, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by SolitudeRed

Jesus that sounds mental like was there anybody seriously injured? was there only trouble when Linfield were playing? I suppose its just as well that the Tyler cup was cancelled when it was as I can't imagine what it would have been like if it had taken place with the Hunger Strikes as a background!

Was the Tyler cup held in 1978-9 anyway? and if it was did Shamrock Rovers win it?

believe it or not some of the worst trouble ever seen in Milltown was when Cliftonville came down for the day, or so Im led to believe from some of our older fans. apparently they wrecked the place and took over the shed on a wednesday afternoon.

**WeAreRovers** · 31/07/2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by s-side hoop

believe it or not some of the worst trouble ever seen in Milltown was when Cliftonville came down for the day, or so Im led to believe from some of our older fans. apparently they wrecked the place and took over the shed on a wednesday afternoon.

AFAIK they were the only ones to ever take the Shed. It was 1979, just after Cliftonville won the league. Our older lot still hate Cliftonville because of it. They were all in school as every knacker from North Belfast descended on Milltown.

There was an apology in the Wee Red fanzine ten years later saying that they weren't Cliftonville fans but toerags who latched on the club after league win and disappeared soon afterwards.

All of the above open to correction by Hoops or Reds over 40.

KOH

**OneRedArmy** · 31/07/2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

There was an apology in the Wee Red fanzine ten years later saying that they weren't Cliftonville fans but toerags who latched on the club after league win and disappeared soon afterwards.

Only to reappear in the early/mid 90's supporting Rovers in the Brandywell?

**David** · 31/07/2007, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by SolitudeRed

Have Rovers and Linfield played each other much? what was their head to head record like then? how many of these North South cups have Linfield won?

Only one I recall is the European Cup game when Linfield progressed thanks to a goal from a certain David Jeffrey at Milltown.

**David** · 31/07/2007, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by fbtn

There was major trouble at many of the games during the Tyler Cup.

People in Ballybofey still talk about the visits of Linfield and Glentoran. It was total mayhem.

I recall Linfield being 5-1 down at Ballybofey with about 15 minutes left and came back to draw 5-5, only to go out on penalties.

**David** · 31/07/2007, 3:07 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

AFAIK they were the only ones to ever take the Shed. It was 1979, just after Cliftonville won the league.

It was the cup they won, not the league. When they won it in 1998 it was their first title in 80 years.

**WeAreRovers** · 31/07/2007, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by David

It was the cup they won, not the league. When they won it in 1998 it was their first title in 80 years.

Thought I might have that wrong. Was it their first ever senior title? It was big deal either way.

KOH

**dancinpants** · 31/07/2007, 4:10 PM

Originally Posted by seand

Dundalk played in the Irish News Cup at least once in the late 90s. We got hammered by Derry something like 8-1 on aggregate one year, maybe 97-8. Conceded 17 or 18 against Derry in five games that season!

It was 96-97, the year we last won the league. Beat Sligo in the finals, 5-4 on aggregate after Sligo won the first leg 3-0, and went 1-0 up at the Brandy

. Basically turned out to be an U21's match.

Think it was held the following year, can't mind who won it - was it Harps?

Eventually just died a death. Steve I don't think it had anything to do with the Ulster Tyre Cup did it? I could have swore that was long gone before the Irish News Cup swung around.

**SolitudeRed** · 01/08/2007, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by David

Only one I recall is the European Cup game when Linfield progressed thanks to a goal from a certain David Jeffrey at Milltown.

Thats right it was a draw in both matches Linfield went through on away goals didn't they? when was that early 80s?

Also recall hearing that Linfield played Dundalk in Europe as well around that time and one of the ties had to be played in England or something due to security concerns!

**SolitudeRed** · 01/08/2007, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

AFAIK they were the only ones to ever take the Shed. It was 1979, just after Cliftonville won the league. Our older lot still hate Cliftonville because of it. They were all in school as every knacker from North Belfast descended on Milltown.

There was an apology in the Wee Red fanzine ten years later saying that they weren't Cliftonville fans but toerags who latched on the club after league win and disappeared soon afterwards.

All of the above open to correction by Hoops or Reds over 40.

KOH

Never heard bout that one before! although it is a bit before my time! Its strange though because I thought Cliftonville and Shamrock Rovers fans got on well! I've seen Rovers/Cliftonville T-shirts before!