Croke park funding

[Dodge]

Why do people have such a gripe over the funding the GAA got? Throwing out outragious and false figures of tax money and saying that they paid for the stadium. The government funds a lot of things in the country. There's a primary school being built beside me, most of it government funded by tax. Should I go in and say I can use their facilities coz I paid tax?

I guarentee you that school would have to allow your child enroll though (subject to usual criteria etc). Same thing applies

Fact is that the GAA handled their redevelopment of their stadium better than IRFU or FAI

Nobody has ever denied this, or even attempted to bring it up

[paul_oshea]

Been taking put-down lessons from dcfcsteve? Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it non-sensical (sic).

Simplified version - The media in this country are massively biased towards the GAA. The government, taxpayer, lotto-player etc paid for Croke Park, no matter what way GAA apologists dress it up.

KOH

Again:
I was trying to make the point that the GAA was the victim of a massive spin and propaganda campaign that forced the GAA to open the stadium to other sports. Members of the GAA had varying reasons to keep the stadium closed. These are all well known so there is no need to go into them here. However, they were placed in the situation where if they maintained their original decision to keep the stadium for GAA sports only it would have been a massive PR disaster. Imagine what the mood in the country would be like if Ireland had to play France in Old Trafford or Anfield. The Evening Herald and Irish Independent would carry photographs of the Irish team training in an English venue juxtaposed with an image of an empty Croke Park. Many GAA members felt that maintaining the status quo would have been in the organisations best interest but were held to ransom mainly because they accepted "tax payers money".

Eircom Park was scuppered by the Government refusing to allocate any funds. It was that Government decision that lead to O'Byrne trying to justify it through the other events, advance sales etc, while at the same time the Government were offering bribes to go into Abbotstown. This created the power struggle. Why would the FAI turn a sod when the Government said they wouldn't allocate any funding, which made the project financially unviable (just as Croke Park would've been financially unviable without Government support and allocation of funds)

the gaa [for all its faults] decided to cost and build it on their own resources , detailed revenue and costings produced then showed the stadium would have been paid for by 2020 from the gaa's own resources , were they then to refuse a [belated] offering of [] money ?. bottom line was bertie wanted a photo opportunity and gaa reduced their under control debt ahead of schedule. The FAI looked for money straight away, expecting it, the GAA had it all costed and estimated, it was then lotto money was offered. No wonder eircom park didnt get anywhere, if they were solely dependent on the government.

Lottery funding is given to the best applications( with proper plans/ matched funding etc) - thats not the GAAs fault that the FAI couldn't plan a **** up in a brewery.



Macy, I haven't admitted anything. Why am I on a football forum, in this country are you only allowed one or the other? Before I left Ireland it was fine to do so, maybe since you have moved over and I have gone that has changed.

[Dodge]

Again:
I was trying to make the point that the GAA was the victim of a massive spin and propaganda campaign that forced the GAA to open the stadium to other sports.

There were many GAA writers who wrote about not letting rugby and football be played there. Others disagreed. How is it spin if people express an opinion

However, they were placed in the situation where if they maintained their original decision to keep the stadium for GAA sports only it would have been a massive PR disaster.

Firstly they allowed American Football to be played there before. hardly a gaelic sport, secondly they placed themselves in that position

Imagine what the mood in the country would be like if Ireland had to play France in Old Trafford or Anfield. The Evening Herald and Irish Independent would carry photographs of the Irish team training in an English venue juxtaposed with an image of an empty Croke Park.

What pointing are you making here? Are you saying the "country" would be wrong to have this "mood", or that it was only caused by those newspapers and that the people didn't really feel angry about their national teams playing in a foreign country

Many GAA members felt that maintaining the status quo would have been in the organisations best interest but were held to ransom mainly because they accepted "tax payers money"

And they voted to let in football and rugby and look at the PR boost they're getting. So those against the vote have been proved wrong. UNless they had more sinister reasons...

Lottery funding is given to the best applications( with proper plans/ matched funding etc) - thats not the GAAs fault that the FAI couldn't plan a **** up in a brewery.

Nobody denied that. What some have a problem with is that the FAI and IRFU were going ahead with a stadium but were blackmailed out of it by the Govt, the same Govt that gave 110mill to the GAA. Personally I have no problem with the GAA getting that much, however much I despise them

Why am I on a football forum, in this country are you only allowed one or the other? Before I left Ireland it was fine to do so, maybe since you have moved over and I have gone that has changed.

You can do what you like, and so can macy. Stop playing the victim

[paul_oshea]

dodge, he asked me a stupid question. I gave him a stupid answer.

[G-Man]

I guarentee you that school would have to allow your child enroll though (subject to usual criteria etc). Same thing applies


Nobody has ever denied this, or even attempted to bring it up

I was only using a school as an example that a lot of places get funding, I wasnt specifically wanting to start a discussion on schools!! Could have used something else, that was the first thing I thought of!

And why I made the point about the handling of the relevent developments was because I'm sick of hearing people moaning about Croke Park and how it should have opened up sooner and how they got so much money and whatever.

The stadium is opened up, and for the good of the nation IMO. Why does there still have to be disagreements over it. I read in that rag The Star last week about the rugby teams first training in the ground. half page article under the big headline 'Why the Secrecy?'. The article went on to give out about the GAA and why they didnt announce the rugby team were training. I know its a cr@p paper and I'd never heard of the writer before, but it was the greatest load of sh!te I'd ever seen. And was just GAA bashing.

I do think the GAA are coming out with a slightly favorable outlook for opening up, but they are still getting bad press and comments, even here, despite them opening up.

[Dodge]

I think the article was written as the FAI requested the football team be allowed time ti train on Croke Park in advance of their game there and were refused. The IRFU must have made a similar plea and were allowed. No big deal to me

You must remember though that the artiicle was written by one journalist. There are plenty of anti-football writing GAA articles so its hardly ine way traffic. Some here enjoy both sports and good luck to them. Others have legitimate grievances with the GAA. I've yet to hear a compelling arguement agsint those grievances and its been done to death here and elsewhere

[pete]

Why do people have such a gripe over the funding the GAA got?

Earth to G-Man - this thread was started by a GAA supporter!!!

Croker Park = 113m (3m for the recent floodlights)
FAI = 90m approx
IRFU = 90m approx

Like i said as long as the FAI & IRFU get similar (see above) amounts to the GAA for their stadiums I don't see any problem. The problem people have is when the GAA supporters claim they somehow have recent almost no government funding.

The argument over percentage funding of stadiums is pointless. Sure the government could 100% fund a National indoor stadium for 50m shared amoung 50 sports but that would be just 1m per sport. Somehow GAA types would try to convince these other sports getting more funding.

p.s. I am sick of closet GAA supporters hiding in the foot.ie long grass. If would need tell people how great the GAA maybe the Hoganstand would be more appropriate.

[G-Man]

Earth to G-Man - this thread was started by a GAA supporter!!!

Croker Park = 113m (3m for the recent floodlights)
FAI = 90m approx
IRFU = 90m approx

Like i said as long as the FAI & IRFU get similar (see above) amounts to the GAA for their stadiums I don't see any problem. The problem people have is when the GAA supporters claim they somehow have recent almost no government funding.

The argument over percentage funding of stadiums is pointless. Sure the government could 100% fund a National indoor stadium for 50m shared amoung 50 sports but that would be just 1m per sport. Somehow GAA types would try to convince these other sports getting more funding.

p.s. I am sick of closet GAA supporters hiding in the foot.ie long grass. If would need tell people how great the GAA maybe the Hoganstand would be more appropriate.

Well not wanting to make assumptions on his part, but I'm sure he was sick of all the moaning done about the funding the GAA got. I never made a point of individual funding to sports, all I made a point to was the funding of a stadium. The problem GAA supporters have to the issue of funding is when people say ah sure they got that paid for them, it was all tax money, sure we're entitled to use it.


And to your last point, can people not follow 2 sports. Or do we need to set up a website called www.ilikegaaandsocer.ie.

[Dodge]

Well not wanting to make assumptions on his part, but I'm sure he was sick of all the moaning done about the funding the GAA got.

No, he tried to say they didn' get 110 million worth of government grants. Which has been proven wrong.

[paul_oshea]

LOL, quality g-man. sounds like a great website name

[Macy]

The FAI looked for money straight away, expecting it, the GAA had it all costed and estimated, it was then lotto money was offered. No wonder eircom park didnt get anywhere, if they were solely dependent on the government.

The FAI didn't want it totally funded, they wanted Government support, which would've involved some grant money. The figures were tight without some element of Government input, such as the GAA recieved it, but Bertie took that option away pretty much at the same time as he was giving more public money to the GAA. Add this in to the riches he promised if the FAI dropped eircom park in favour of Abbotstown and the FAI had no choice but to drop their plans.

The GAA were struggling with Croke Park before the input of the money that Bertie paid them to keep the doors closed to world games. Before that input the GAA were under financial pressure to open up Croke Park to Football and Rugby as Croke Park wasn't meeting it's projected income streams (it's not only FAI heads that massage figures to get support for projects). Even GAA games were running at a loss, let alone all the none sporting elements. The public money bailed the GAA out.

The question about what you're doing here is apt when you're on a pro GAA crusade on football forum. If you feel this strongly you should be on a GAA site with other such "enlightened" people, if not I can only assume you're posting this stuff as a wind up, in which case the mods should be looking at your access.

[G-Man]

No, he tried to say they didn' get 110 million worth of government grants. Which has been proven wrong.

no, he tried say they got €19m in tax money, €91m in lotto money. I dont htink anyone has denied they got €110m in funding.

I. Over the years the Government made further contributions and all together they totalled €110 million.

The truth is that only €19 million of tax payers money was donated to the Croke Park project and this was to ensure that acceptable facilities would be in place at the stadium for the opening and closing ceremonies of the Special Olympics. The remaining €91 million came from lottery funding.

[paul_oshea]

No, he tried to say they didn' get 110 million worth of government grants. Which has been proven wrong.

No, I didnt, I said, because of hearing it over and over again here, TAX money, it was not tax money, as I proved. That was what I started with. Either way, read my whole threads again, and you will see exactly how much "tax" money the gaa got, how much was self-funded, how much they "actually" needed. I don't know whether its my communication skills, and it could well be, but you and wws have an extremely difficult time understanding what I write. However cheifo was able to read between the lines and get the point I was making on the BB thread, so I am not so sure.....

The question about what you're doing here is apt when you're on a pro GAA crusade on football forum. If you feel this strongly you should be on a GAA site with other such "enlightened" people, if not I can only assume you're posting this stuff as a wind up, in which case the mods should be looking at your access.

What you are trying to prompt or suggest mods to ban me, because I say something you don't like or agree with. get real ffs.

[Dodge]

back to those semantics are we?

[geysir]

Any LOI fan from the 50's & 60's will tell you the league was healthy enough in comparison to the GAA despite the ban and whatever dark years of sporting bigotry.
There's lots of reasons why soccer hasn't developed infrastructure

It appears that any sporting club can get funding from the Sports Capital Programme.
http://193.178.1.186/grants_funding/default.htm
The GAA clubs get funding related to development projects, so do rugby clubs so do lawn tennis, rowing, boxing, pitch and putt and even pipe band clubs.
Is it really the huge popular bias towards the GAA in this country the reason why soccer clubs don't get comparative funding?

[Macy]

No, I didnt, I said, because of hearing it over and over again here, TAX money, it was not tax money, as I proved.

Public money distributed on behalf of the tax payer.

What you are trying to prompt or suggest mods to ban me, because I say something you don't like or agree with. get real ffs.

No, because I think you're a wum.

[paul_oshea]

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[paul_oshea]

Public money distributed on behalf of the tax payer.

On behalf?
what about tourists that have come and played, and come and won the lotto. are they tax payers too?

[Macy]

On behalf?
what about tourists that have come and played, and come and won the lotto. are they tax payers too?

Okay, the electorate then. Fairly clear it's only an arguement over the meaning of words, not the actual issue of funding at this stage.

What about the extremely small proportion of tourists that play the lotto?

[paul_oshea]

What about the extremely small proportion of tourists that play the lotto?

And have won and unclaimed....thats quite a substantial sum

Okay, the electorate then

are those tourists ( or potentially short term workers ) able to vote now too?