Clare League 2006/07

**plasticpitch** · 08/09/2006, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by First

Well now where will it end, I am sure that alot of the other Clare league refs are looking at this situation and wondering if they should bother either. As for Philip I know the guy very well and he is a throughly nice guy. I played with him and he was always hard and fair and it would take alot to push him away from involvement in football. Anybody involved in the lead up should look at themselves and reveiw what they are trying to get out of football in Clare.
As I have said already in a previous post the management and players should take along look at thier attitudes towards the officials in the Clare league. And anybody that was a catalyst in Philip and Paddy resigning , shame on you.

well in fairness to philip markham he is an ok referree and he has a lot more good games than bad games. he has shown me the line on more than one occasion and in reflection he was dead right to do it. i for one will be sorry to see him go.
maybe the abuse aimed at him was prompted by the sending off of a lifford player and then the line ball following onto the goal incident.
for this the bridge management must accept responsibility. in fairness players will keep playing if they are right next to the ball and c if it hasnt crossed the line. to say it was definetley in play when the players stopped is fiction in my opinion.
i think as posted before in the thread that ref decisions will balance out over the course of a season. however if teams start to cheat that when we have a serious problem.
as for the other ref, i think he was getting a bit old anyway. i have no good experiences of this ref and cannot remember a game i played in when he had a good game. in 1 game i was struck by 2 players in front of him and he took no action.
i firmly believe that refs could make the game so much easier for themselves.
learn how to deal with abuse. warn players and management before hand and then act if you hear abuse. Yellow card and say im watching you , one step out of line and you-ll get another, be it in the first minute or the last.
also team officials get away with murder. there is a lot of name calling by officials to players on the pitch and to this day i have never seen a ref take action about this.
the standard of referring has to change to make it more appealling to perspective refs
ALL refs should punish abuse or poor conduct by players officials not just the good ones

**madcap** · 08/09/2006, 7:42 PM

Originally Posted by plasticpitch

well in fairness to philip markham he is an ok referree and he has a lot more good games than bad games. he has shown me the line on more than one occasion and in reflection he was dead right to do it. i for one will be sorry to see him go.
maybe the abuse aimed at him was prompted by the sending off of a lifford player and then the line ball following onto the goal incident.
for this the bridge management must accept responsibility. in fairness players will keep playing if they are right next to the ball and c if it hasnt crossed the line. to say it was definetley in play when the players stopped is fiction in my opinion.
i think as posted before in the thread that ref decisions will balance out over the course of a season. however if teams start to cheat that when we have a serious problem.
as for the other ref, i think he was getting a bit old anyway. i have no good experiences of this ref and cannot remember a game i played in when he had a good game. in 1 game i was struck by 2 players in front of him and he took no action.
i firmly believe that refs could make the game so much easier for themselves.
learn how to deal with abuse. warn players and management before hand and then act if you hear abuse. Yellow card and say im watching you , one step out of line and you-ll get another, be it in the first minute or the last.
also team officials get away with murder. there is a lot of name calling by officials to players on the pitch and to this day i have never seen a ref take action about this.
the standard of referring has to change to make it more appealling to perspective refs
ALL refs should punish abuse or poor conduct by players officials not just the good ones

and then the line ball following onto the goal incident.
for this the bridge management must accept responsibility

the ball was not out all the kids stopped crying at the ref and got so far behind the play couldnt get back, no bridge player stopped goes back to playing the whistle

so the Bridge have nothing to be worried about,were u there?

**reds exile** · 08/09/2006, 8:23 PM

Well if its the case of Philip Markham being forced to quit I can only say someone needs to be held responsible, The abuse I have seen and heard in the Clare League is a disgrace and whats it more embrassing is that it seem to be the norm with every club any who disputes this comment is in denial,the referees are only human and rely on teams to play in a sporting manner and each club is responsible for players conduct.From my own experience having played outside and in the U.S for a few years none of what goes on in the Clare League would be tolerated.
The Clare League needs to ensure that this sort of thing is stamped out and people must remember attending these games every week are young kids who think this sort of behaviour is ok, People on this thread this is the most important point i want to make

**offside01** · 09/09/2006, 12:03 PM

its funny everybody pointing out refs mistakes,etc.,if there is a lack of refs in the league then every club registered should have to send one person to fully train as a ref and then there wuld be no claims of bias etc,also there would be no shortage.wuld all those who spend career arguing and giving out about ref be prepared to put up or shut up and make the situation better

**The Ref** · 09/09/2006, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by offside01

its funny everybody pointing out refs mistakes,etc.,if there is a lack of refs in the league then every club registered should have to send one person to fully train as a ref and then there wuld be no claims of bias etc,also there would be no shortage.wuld all those who spend career arguing and giving out about ref be prepared to put up or shut up and make the situation better

This is a good theory, although it was tried in Dublin a number of years ago (in a schoolboys/girl league) and it was a disaster.

Each club nominated a person to act as a referee should there be no ref available, but when these people went out to referee games they either screwed the away team (mostly) or in an attempt to be fair, they screwed their own club.

Nobody was happy and the league reverted to using referees registered with the FAI.

So from my experience, while the theory is good, in practice it wouldn't work.

**offside01** · 10/09/2006, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Ref

This is a good theory, although it was tried in Dublin a number of years ago (in a schoolboys/girl league) and it was a disaster.

Each club nominated a person to act as a referee should there be no ref available, but when these people went out to referee games they either screwed the away team (mostly) or in an attempt to be fair, they screwed their own club.

Nobody was happy and the league reverted to using referees registered with the FAI.

So from my experience, while the theory is good, in practice it wouldn't work.

sorry wasnt clear enough on wat i mean,dont mean there should be home ref etc.if every club had to have a trained ref there would be a huge panel of refs,enough for neutral games.would stop refs having to travel to two or more games over wkd and may improve standard

**Brazil Nut** · 10/09/2006, 2:47 PM

Shannon Olympic 0 - Newmarket 2
Newtown 1 - Moher 0
any other results???

**GroundFootball** · 10/09/2006, 7:38 PM

Lets be real people players dispute decisions. It's not abuse and if it becomes abusive the referee can take action which will be backed by the league.
I have to point this out lads, if a referee feels that any comments made by a player or official of a club are abusive or innappropriate they have the right to give them a red card even after the game is over! They can then put this in their match report and the league can take appropriate action. If they really are getting such high levels of abuse why are they not doing this and honestly how can they expect anything to be done about it if it's not in a match report.

Clubs would take action if their players were suspended for this alleged behaviour.
I would be extremely concerned that some of your refs might not know this, it reflects poorly on them.

I feel that it is important to note there is a difference between abuse and fair comment! Questioning a referee about his decisions is something any player or official should be able to do and he (as he made the decision) should reasonably be able to explain any decision.
Referees are professional at most levels of the game in Ireland and the notion that they not be accountable to the people who are paying them (the players) or at least be able to justify their actions is a bit silly.

Finally In my opinion it would be extremely inappropriate for any governing body to take action on something unless it's in the referees report. There are clear guidelines and sanctions laid down for the type of thing you guys are talking about. If a referee doesn't deem it necessary at the time to take any action and he is there, how can a governing body take action. The only occasion where this is appropriate is when it's something a referee is not aware of or hasn't seen.

**avenueC** · 11/09/2006, 7:40 AM

avenue 2-- mtshannon 0
mtshannon rubbish.... good win for avenue who tried to play ball on a hard bobbly surface( lee's rd) cant see mtsn surviving if this is their best.

**Murphman** · 11/09/2006, 8:03 AM

Results used for table above

**smellyfeet** · 11/09/2006, 9:17 AM

This was a poor game from start to finish. Neither team looked like scoring in this scrappy incounter. Newtown were awarded a penalty kick however when Moher defender pulled down Chris Dunning in the box. The Moher keeper save the Jay Stretton spot kick. Soon after Newtowns Ryan Kelly went on a run down the left wing and played a nice ball into Chris Dunning who did well to hold off the much bigger Moher central deffender and set up Declan McDonald to fire home into the bottom corner.

The second half was a bit better from a Newtown point of view as the created many chances but couldn't but the ball away. Derek Byrnes got the ball at right back and took on 3 or 4 Moher players and arrived in the box only to be off balance when trying to get his shot in and the ball went wide.

In the last minuite Moher send a high ball from midfield into the Newtown box when Anto Whyte havd a moment of MADNESS. The ball went over his head and he put his hand up and handled the ball in the box resulting in a penalty.
The Moher player blasted the ball wide much to the relief of the home team.

Final score. Newtown 1 Moher 0.

**CmonTheRovers** · 11/09/2006, 10:09 AM

Anyone hear what next weekend's fixtures? Presume its FAI first round, with Munster cup matches for those with byes to FAI 2nd round......

**offside01** · 11/09/2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by smellyfeet

This was a poor game from start to finish. Neither team looked like scoring in this scrappy incounter. Newtown were awarded a penalty kick however when Moher defender pulled down Chris Dunning in the box. The Moher keeper save the Jay Stretton spot kick. Soon after Newtowns Ryan Kelly went on a run down the left wing and played a nice ball into Chris Dunning who did well to hold off the much bigger Moher central deffender and set up Declan McDonald to fire home into the bottom corner.

The second half was a bit better from a Newtown point of view as the created many chances but couldn't but the ball away. Derek Byrnes got the ball at right back and took on 3 or 4 Moher players and arrived in the box only to be off balance when trying to get his shot in and the ball went wide.

In the last minuite Moher send a high ball from midfield into the Newtown box when Anto Whyte havd a moment of MADNESS. The ball went over his head and he put his hand up and handled the ball in the box resulting in a penalty.
The Moher player blasted the ball wide much to the relief of the home team.

Final score. Newtown 1 Moher 0.

just reading ur match report,heard that moher had two chances cleared off the line and the game wasnt as one sided as report says.any truth in that????

**smellyfeet** · 11/09/2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by offside01

just reading ur match report,heard that moher had two chances cleared off the line and the game wasnt as one sided as report says.any truth in that????

Didn't say it was 1 sided. Can't remember any chances cleared off the line.
Moher had a the ball in the Newtown box a few times alright but nothing to write home about thats all. Maybe there was a neutral at the game and they might have something to add. TBH Skinny didn't have a save to make in the whole game but neither did the Moher keeper only the peno. Very poor game...

**old git** · 11/09/2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by smellyfeet

This was a poor game from start to finish. Neither team looked like scoring in this scrappy incounter. Newtown were awarded a penalty kick however when Moher defender pulled down Chris Dunning in the box. The Moher keeper save the Jay Stretton spot kick. Soon after Newtowns Ryan Kelly went on a run down the left wing and played a nice ball into Chris Dunning who did well to hold off the much bigger Moher central deffender and set up Declan McDonald to fire home into the bottom corner.

The second half was a bit better from a Newtown point of view as the created many chances but couldn't but the ball away. Derek Byrnes got the ball at right back and took on 3 or 4 Moher players and arrived in the box only to be off balance when trying to get his shot in and the ball went wide.

In the last minuite Moher send a high ball from midfield into the Newtown box when Anto Whyte havd a moment of MADNESS. The ball went over his head and he put his hand up and handled the ball in the box resulting in a penalty.
The Moher player blasted the ball wide much to the relief of the home team.

Final score. Newtown 1 Moher 0.

you must have been watching a different match .. i will admit i only saw the last 3o mins .. but moher celtic were the better team will add they did not create a lot up front .. newtown struggled to keep possesion.. and gave the ball away to easy... the only chance i remember for newtown was one above and a shot by geraroid magee that went just wide ..
i'd say anto whyte was a very happy man after his moment of madness... absolutly crazy .. but he just about got away with it..
what was up with davy wall not playing is he injured or suspended

**smellyfeet** · 11/09/2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by old git

you must have been watching a different match .. i will admit i only saw the last 3o mins .. but moher celtic were the better team will add they did not create a lot up front .. newtown struggled to keep possesion.. and gave the ball away to easy... the only chance i remember for newtown was one above and a shot by geraroid magee that went just wide ..
i'd say anto whyte was a very happy man after his moment of madness... absolutly crazy .. but he just about got away with it..
what was up with davy wall not playing is he injured or suspended

Well if you only saw last 30 minuites then you can't say that i was watching a different match

Davy was suspended

**smellyfeet** · 11/09/2006, 11:01 AM

Old Git,
Have you seen Ballbreaker lately

**old git** · 11/09/2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by smellyfeet

Well if you only saw last 30 minuites then you can't say that i was watching a different match

Davy was suspended

i meant on second half performance... what i saw of the game

and from a few newtown lads watching they did admit newtown played better in first half.. but everybody will have different views on the game ..

when is the bunratty match ( fai) fixed for !!!