Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I am always happy to see his name on the team sheet, he is the sort of player who will get at the opposition, not something I would really say about Whelan McCarty or Gibson.
I have just been looking for some evidence to illustrate this and I think this says a lot
games played, fouls committed, fouls suffered, fouled suffered per game
quinn 4 - 2 - 11 - 2.75
mccarthy 7 - 8 - 9 - 1.28
whelan 7 - 7 - 3 - 0.48
So he is 2.14 times more likely to be fouled than McCarthy and and a staggering 5.7 times more likely to be fouled than Whelan .
He is also half as likely to be fouled and either of them.
So to me it seems he gets involved in a positive way, he caused problems for the opposition, he is a bit of a terrier on the pitch
as opposed to a poodle.
Couple of other players
coleman 4 - 2 - 7
baines 8 - 6 - 14
Granted it isn't everything but I think it shows something, you would not be getting fouled is your were not causing problems
for the opposition and you would not need to foul the opposition if you were coping with them otherwise (although you could say you
could not get near enough to foul them). Would just add the stats are not from a lot of games so might not be fully representative but
even so the ratios are large so they are significant.
Firstly it is not libellous, you seemed to have assumed he would make the story up, now that is potentially
libellous. However you need not worry as he would have to prove in court he didn't make the story up,
something he will have great difficulty doing, especially so considering Grealish's tweet soon afterwards!!
ie "Some stuff in the papers today about me that I didn't even no myself"
Your initial post was confusing - who are the they of 'It doesn't matter whether they speak to the paper'? I assumed it was Grealish's family. So Fallon would be making it up. That not what you meant?
You really think Jack's tweet is the end of it? Since then we've heard nothing from Jack or the family. Nothing to discredit this 'false story', just a 'wow look at that stuff in the papers, journos eh?!' style tweet.
But we have had a follow-up, fully by-lined by the same writer, endorsed by a different publication and set of editors, reiterating the story. And no repudiation from Jack and his family.
If someone was just making stuff up about me, I think I'd protest a bit more.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Couldn't agree more with this post.
Welcome aboard Jack. Thank you for choosing the land of your grandparents when it might not have been the popular thing to do with some so called experts out there. May you have a long and prosperous career with Ireland. And if you do happen to read this message board, I apologize for some of the folks on here who have nothing better to do it seems but offer rash and ill informed comments instead of affording you a little bit of slack, as is suggested above. There are plenty of them about in Ireland unfortunately.
This getting confusing. The papers do not need Jack or his families to peak to them, they can
write stories about them whatever, but truthful ones and made up ones. Certainly they did not stop
this completely fabricated story (and it is) so they can write pretty much what they like.
Yes Jacks tweet is the end of it, he has completely rubbished Fallon's story
what more do expect him or his family to do? Drive round to Fallon's house
and kick the living daylights out of him?
The second story is a joke, a complete p*ss take.
It really is not worth commenting on and that is exactly what Jack and his family have done.
Last edited by tricky_colour; 19/10/2014 at 1:55 AM.
Tricky, seriously, Fallon is a good journalist and he wouldn't write the story without a real source. Jack has previously indicated (or his brother has) that his father would manage his international future, and his father is the one who's been sharing the story around. It doesn't take a great amount of effort to connect the dots.
You're right Tricky. Papers can do whatever they want and no one will stop them because no one cares and there's no incentives for writers and editors not to lie and that's just how the media works.
Last edited by SwanVsDalton; 19/10/2014 at 2:28 AM.
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can someone scan the sunday times interview. cant get sunday times where i live
Jack's tweet didn't go into any great level of detail. He just said he had no knowledge of claims made in the media. He didn't specify exactly which claims were news to him. Presumably, he was referring to the claim that he'd be in the squad for the US. This may well have been the case because his dad has been discussing matters with the FAI on his behalf. His dad posted Fallon's story on Facebook on Friday afternoon with the a message along the lines of "USA versus Ireland, Brad Guzan versus Jack"; you could only interpret that as approval or affirmation. Anyway, Jack's tweet has not been the end of it at all; Jack's dad has just confirmed this morning that Jack will be available for the US friendly.
Which is, of course, fantastic news.
Erm..... he isn't available for the Scotland game. He's available for the U.S.A. game. That is a friendly, which means he's won't be tied to Ireland if he plays. Like I am glad to be proven wrong but he could very well still end up declaring for England, though it's looking unlikely now.
And I don't think Jack reads football forums so I don't think he would be offended by any polite, constructive and well formed criticisms of some of his past comments and actions. He's a grown man.
I would love to see him become a bonafide Premier League player and play for Ireland over England because there certainly hasn't been a similar precedent in the past. It's still up in the air whether he's good enough though.
I hasten to ad that people clamoring for him to accept a call up to a competitive Intl. so he can come on in the 94th minute and be forever tied to Ireland probably puts him under more undue pressure than anything I've said.
Looks like I was right.
Calling him up just to cap him for a minute in a competitive game would be mad, and an insult to JG's intelligence. I think if he gets a game, or part of a game against USA it'd be great. It'd bring a bit of a box office element to the game and it'd help his transition into senior football. I don't know just how good he'll become but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't at least achieve a level that would be of meaningful benefit to Ireland.
I also think it'd be very hard for him to change his mind even if technically a senior friendly cap makes no difference to his future eligibility for England.
Yes I expect Jack will be delighted when he finds out.
I'll probably regret asking this but here goes - how's that?
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
You were right first time!!!I'll probably regret asking this but here goes - how's that?
It would be okay if both parties thought it was the best for the player, to stop all the speculation about his intentions and let him focus on football, eg the James McCarthy competitive cap.
I love it!
Yes, if it was agreed in that context, absolutely.
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