Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[mypost]

In October and November, more European coaches will be looking for a new job. Some will have gone out of the WC by an away goal, some will have a variety of knockouts from goal difference to honourable group finishes, and others will simply see their contracts expire.

There are months and months and months of time to get the next appointment right. Hiring from what is available at this time is rash and ludicrous. I know that the Celtic crowd are desperate for MON to get it, but if he did, who's to say he would even begin next year's campaign when the next EPL job interests him?

We'll get the games out of the way in October, then focus on the future.

[tetsujin1979]

King could be put in temporary charge for the qualifiers in October: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29598793.html

[bennocelt]

I repeat, because it appears to have gone way over your head. When somebody here takes the píss out of other posters for 5 years for perceived sheep like activity, then boasts about their own football acumen for 5 years, then it's quite germane to see who they fancied 5 years ago for the irish job, instead of Trap. And that fancy you had 5 years ago, turned out to be the biggest failure in Polish qualification history and the biggest flop of 2010 qualifiers.
Take it on the chin Benno, instead of squealing and searching the bottom of the barrel for excuses.

I don't know who are the other candidates to MON, I think the FAI should wait on this appointment and not just appoint the first one in the first queue. If MON got the job, I don't know how he would do, appointing an intl manager is a guess, Croatia appointing Bilic was a gamble, the Belgian manager was a gamble etc. The proof is ion the pudding.

That's a desperately bad effort for you to disprove me.
Got Poland to their first ever Euros, where they played very well, were unlucky (Remember Howard Webb and that dodgy decision!). The Polish were so happy with getting there they gave Leo their highest award (some Order of whatever), given by the Polish president. In the world cup qualifiers they messed up, sure, I accept that. But Poland hadnt a decent striker (Lewandolski wasn't fully bloodied), no Robbie Keane. Germany, on the other hand, had Poldoski and Klose (Polish born). Was in Poland actually in and around the time. Polish didnt have much against him, realising that they didnt have a great team anyway. And they havent done a whole lot since then either!
Also this is the guy that got T n T to a world cup, where they also played decent football. Not losing every game or getting their arse kicked! Now that was some achievement.
But, of course, you know otherwise!
He might have done something for us, who knows, I stand by that.

My other choices - well Otto is still doing well with Greece, and Roy will get England to the world cup - probably to a usual quarter finals.

Again how are your choices doing???????????

(give me some credit - At least i didnt say Paul Jewells, or P Trouisser!)

[Stuttgart88]

You make intuitive sense mypost. However, my gut instinct is that decisive action is required.

For all the justified criticism of Trap's last 18 months, there is definitely something that can be built on. Every point in the next campaign will be crucial and it'll be a help if the new manager has had 4 games and several spells with the players in advance of the first game. We're not going to change to a continental-style team anytime soon so a British-based manager is likely to be what works best. I also genuinely think we need an Irishman. I personally don't doubt Trap's integrity (which isn't to say I'm not critical of the lack of time he spent at matches), but I think there's a risk of another overseas coach using this as a stepping stone or a transitory appointment - just as you think MON might.

I think an Irishman will capture the imagination and bring crowds back, a vital 12th man element that all but disappeared since we moved back to Lansdowne. Another continental appointment could be met with cynicism. Yes, this is a "soft" consideration but I think a united front is important, with fans, players and media all rallying behind the team rather than using every minor incident to knock it and engage in national self-loathing.

Martin O'Neill ticks all the boxes. He won't reinvent the wheel but he'd adapt the better parts of Trap's thinking and add a vital element of self-belief and motivation.

MON for now, McCarthy as his possible successor by which time he'll be done with club football. It'd also be nice to think a homegrown coach could be a very serious contender next time out.

[paul_oshea]

In October and November, more European coaches will be looking for a new job. Some will have gone out of the WC by an away goal, some will have a variety of knockouts from goal difference to honourable group finishes, and others will simply see their contracts expire.

There are months and months and months of time to get the next appointment right. Hiring from what is available at this time is rash and ludicrous. I know that the Celtic crowd are desperate for MON to get it, but if he did, who's to say he would even begin next year's campaign when the next EPL job interests him?

We'll get the games out of the way in October, then focus on the future.

Ah, you have removed your hands from your face, taken off the hard helmet and crawled out of the bunker!

[Closed Account 2]

I dont know if O'Neill would be in it for the long term, and I think mypost's theory that he could go for a premier league job next summer - in effect before the qualifiers for Euro 2016 begin - is a real possibility. To a degree it's possible with any manager we appoint, but I think O'Neill is less stable than say Mick was when he got the job after Jack Charlton. If a great candidate is available now then yes, appoint him, but waiting a few months (even to the turn of the year) shouldnt cost us anything.

As he says, a lot of candidates might be available when teams miss out on WC2014 via playoffs or finishing 3rd in tighter groups. For example Morten Olsen, Michal Bilek, Paulo Bento, possibly Didier Deschamps, Oscar Tabares and Roy Hodgson, could all be available by November, all are international managers and all have lead international teams to major tournaments or had (relative) sucess in European Club competitions. Some of them are perhaps not suitable, but if say Hodgson or Deschamps are given the boot by England or France I think it would be silly of the FAI not to at least consider them alongside MON.

[mypost]

Also this is the guy that got T n T to a world cup, where they also played decent football. Not losing every game or getting their arse kicked! Now that was some achievement.
But, of course, you know otherwise!
He might have done something for us, who knows, I stand by that.

He wasn't up against Spain and Italy in that World Cup. If he was, he probably would have lost every game and got a few boots for good measure.

You make intuitive sense mypost. However, my gut instinct is that decisive action is required.

For all the justified criticism of Trap's last 18 months, there is definitely something that can be built on. Every point in the next campaign will be crucial and it'll be a help if the new manager has had 4 games and several spells with the players in advance of the first game. We're not going to change to a continental-style team anytime soon so a British-based manager is likely to be what works best. I also genuinely think we need an Irishman. I personally don't doubt Trap's integrity (which isn't to say I'm not critical of the lack of time he spent at matches), but I think there's a risk of another overseas coach using this as a stepping stone or a transitory appointment - just as you think MON might.

I think an Irishman will capture the imagination and bring crowds back, a vital 12th man element that all but disappeared since we moved back to Lansdowne. Another continental appointment could be met with cynicism. Yes, this is a "soft" consideration but I think a united front is important, with fans, players and media all rallying behind the team rather than using every minor incident to knock it and engage in national self-loathing.

MON for now, McCarthy as his possible successor by which time he'll be done with club football. It'd also be nice to think a homegrown coach could be a very serious contender next time out.

McCarthy had his shot, he shouldn't get another go. He wasn't averse to rigid defensive tactics or rewarding loyalty to players when he was here either. With varying degrees of success.

And every minor incident will be knocked and loathed by all and sundry, regardless who is in the chair. In international football, every incident is a big one.

A sobering result at the German WCQ party is not the ideal way to begin any international tenure. There will be at least 4-6 games in the new year before the qualifiers start, for the new coach to work on his squad.

Those who demanded immediate action last time wanted Paul Jewell. Instead, we took our time, and got a proven winner who took us very far in the time he was here. Now as then, I want more haste, less speed.

[bennocelt]

He wasn't up against Spain and Italy in that World Cup. If he was, he probably would have lost every game and got a few boots for good measure.

Might have got a draw with Croatia though?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Roy Hodgson? Nice bloke (met twice) but no thanks?

What about MO'N for a two game 'trial...as in the last two qualifiers.

[Stuttgart88]

Do you think MON's ego would accept that?

I actually wanted Hodgson in 2008.

What about El Tel?

Lagerback with Pat Walker as assistant?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Might be glad of it, dip his toe etc.

And Pat Walker? Reasonably obscure...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Walker

[peadar1987]

Eddie Gormley is out of work at the moment

[Stuttgart88]

Might be glad of it, dip his toe etc.

And Pat Walker? Reasonably obscure...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Walker

If LL was a serious contender PW could provide the bridge between the Irish and Scandi thinking.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hmm, no offence, but you might just be over-thinking the amount of Irish thinking being brought to this particular table...

Happy with a Scando-coach but if there was a 'link man' would prefer someone with greater current knowledge of the domestic game, if only to slightly appease the LOI heads.

[Closed Account 2]

Roy Hodgson? Nice bloke (met twice) but no thanks?

What about MO'N for a two game 'trial...as in the last two qualifiers.

Just out of interest why not Hodgson? To me he has a lot of the prerequisites, he's managed national teams successfully, taking a fairly medicore Switzerland to USA 1994 finishing second in a qualification group with Italy, Portgual and Scotland (who were better in 1992-4 than now) once at the World Cup they, like us, finished 2nd in the group and went out in the first knockouts (to Spain instead of Holland). He got them through topping a group for Euro 96 (which included them, Turkey, Sweden - who were 3rd at the WC94), all this was with a Swiss team that wasnt that great and man for man was probably worse than our team at the time. He also took a very poor Finland side to within 3 points of qualification for Euro 2008.

In terms of clubs he wasn't that great at Liverpool, but the club was in turmoil at the time with the Gillette and Hicks regieme ending and Henry taking over. It's not like Dalgelish did that much better the year after. He did well at West Brom and Fulham (initially saving them from relegation and then taking them to a Europa League final) and has won a lot of titles in Sweden and Denmark.

To me he seems like a good candidate, he's managed internationally, he's managed clubs in England (where the bulk of our squad play their football) and has even signed a few of our squad players like Long, Andrews, Duff (obviously now out of the picture for us) and (i think) Stephen Kelly. He's also got experience of the European game, his teams play dynamic football - at Fulham he would mix it up using wingers like Duff and Davies but also using pacey strikers like Johnston or targetmen (like Zamora) depending on what was required. If England get rid of him I would like to think the FAI would consider him a contender as well as Martin O'Neill.

[brine3]

Suffice to say it won't be Leo! Or any other senile Dutchman...

That's right, you know all about Co Adriaanse because you read his Wikipedia page.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Just out of interest why not Hodgson? To me he has a lot of the prerequisites, he's managed national teams successfully, taking a fairly medicore Switzerland to USA 1994 finishing second in a qualification group with Italy, Portgual and Scotland (who were better in 1992-4 than now) once at the World Cup they, like us, finished 2nd in the group and went out in the first knockouts (to Spain instead of Holland). He got them through topping a group for Euro 96 (which included them, Turkey, Sweden - who were 3rd at the WC94), all this was with a Swiss team that wasnt that great and man for man was probably worse than our team at the time. He also took a very poor Finland side to within 3 points of qualification for Euro 2008.

In terms of clubs he wasn't that great at Liverpool, but the club was in turmoil at the time with the Gillette and Hicks regieme ending and Henry taking over. It's not like Dalgelish did that much better the year after. He did well at West Brom and Fulham (initially saving them from relegation and then taking them to a Europa League final) and has won a lot of titles in Sweden and Denmark.

To me he seems like a good candidate, he's managed internationally, he's managed clubs in England (where the bulk of our squad play their football) and has even signed a few of our squad players like Long, Andrews, Duff (obviously now out of the picture for us) and (i think) Stephen Kelly. He's also got experience of the European game, his teams play dynamic football - at Fulham he would mix it up using wingers like Duff and Davies but also using pacey strikers like Johnston or targetmen (like Zamora) depending on what was required. If England get rid of him I would like to think the FAI would consider him a contender as well as Martin O'Neill.

Fair comment, but 'Ingerland' & Liverpool fans would probably disagree, though accept he did a great job at Fulham. WBA, was more on the medicocre side...

That's right, you know all about Co Adriaanse because you read his Wikipedia page.

Tad delayed reaction! Co would probably have beat you to it. The last thing we want is a washed up reject...rinsed or otherwise.


Realise MO'N does tick 1-2 boxes in that respect, but suspect he'd have rather more energy still than the Adriaanses & Trapps of this world...

[brine3]

You know nothing about Adriaanse.

[ArdeeBhoy]

And you know him personally?

[Yard of Pace]

Eddie Gormley is out of work at the moment

Well, I did spend a good few years of my life in Dublin standing in Richmond singing "Eddie For Ireland".

I'd like MON, I have to say. If you can have a listen to his speech that he gave in the Aras a few years ago on what it is to be Irish.....it was organized by the McAleese's. It was spine-tingling stuff.