Read what I write, not what it suits you to think I write.
Unfortunately you're the one who won't change. Your tone is pathetic. You're a troll of the worst kind and the sly PMs like the one I just received probably hint at a mental health issue.
Stroppy again, and what messages, ha! they are not messages but neg reps - you are more than welcome to give me as many as you wantOriginally Posted by Stuttgart88
Saw Alex Mcleish at West Brom game this weekend, hypothetically would we ever take to an ex Rangers manager? Are we big enough, secure enough and mature enough as a nation?
Don't have a problem but his style is not exactly universally popular. Ask Villa fans...
Morten Olsen fills such a role for Denmark, as well as being international manager he also reshaped the entire football coaching structure in Denmark. It's beginning to pay dividends now with some great young Danish players coming through.
Morten Olsen is on 390,000 euros a year.
The DBU are a mature organisation however. The FAI are childish and would never hand over so much power to a qualified professional.
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No, I agree with you on quite a lot of things, just not that the primary point of football is to look nice. We'd be more effective with the players if we played a slightly more adventurous style of play, and attampted to keep the ball more. I want to see it happen because I think it would help Ireland win games. If, on the other hand, our only available central midfielders were Glenn Whelan and Paul Green, and our forwards were Gary Doherty and Jon Walters, the most effective tactic would be to have the midfielders sit deep, contain the opposition, break up the wings and try and win set pieces. Ugly, but effective with what we had at our disposal. At the moment, the best tactic would lie somewhere in between, for me:
Westwood
Sledge...Dunne...O'Shea...Wilson
McGeady...Gibson...McCarthy...Coleman
Keane
Walters
So still a derivative of 4-4-2, still relying on wingers for creativity, and the one major change is that Robbie Keane drops back and gives an extra option to midfield with Walters staying up front as a target man.
Not always, it depends on the players you have. If your players aren't able to string three passes together without losing the ball, you might as well launch it forwards towards a target man hoping for a flick-on, or play a through-ball to a speedy winger, because that at least gives you a chance of creating something, rather than lose the ball in the centre of the park.Passing the ball (I'm not referring to tiki-taka) is the most effective way to play football, you cold say the sport was designed to be played that way. Even the likes of New Zealand and Trinidad and Tobago managed to acquit themselves quite well playing a passing game at the World Cup, and they have players that are far, far inferior to ours.
New Zealand played very defensive stuff at the last world cup, especially parking the bus against Italy: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive...82/report.html
They scored with their only shot on target, whereas Italy had 23 attempts on goal.
North Korea, on the other hand, had a go, and look where it got them.
It's not as simple as passing=good, hoofball=bad.
That's because tournament-winning teams have the personnel to play more technically challenging but effective styles of football. Even that Greece side relied on set pieces and attacking down the wings to relieve pressure. They were completely dominated in terms of possession all tournament. So pretty much like us until the later stages of this campaign when Trap's reign started to go off the rails a little.Hoofball is the enemy of football. It's the quickest way to lose possession and put yourself straight back under pressure again. No international team ever won a major tournament playing it, and there's a reason for that. It doesn't work. Even Greece 2004 knew the basics of possession football - they didn't need to resort to hoofball. They were negative, defensive and disciplined, but they weren't hoofing it. Same with the great defensive Italian teams, I have a lot of time for them too.
There is very little change here compared to what Trap has done. Robbie Keane has shown that he is incapable at dropping back into midfield. He is the Irish Pippo Inzaghi. He's a goal hanger... and a very good one, but he's no midfielder.
There is very little change here compared to what Trap has done. Robbie Keane has shown that he is incapable at dropping back into midfield. He is the Irish Pippo Inzaghi. He's a goal hanger. A very good one, but he's no midfielder.
Also don't understand why anyone would pick Sledge at right back and put Coleman in left-midfield. Sledge is a stop gap centreback for Ireland if anything at all.
If Robbie gets a goal a game, or even every other game, he's worth keeping.
We don't have any strikers when he retires...
I know, that's because Trap is not the antichrist, and the system doesn't need tearing down and rebuilding as much as just some intelligent evolution.
The problem for the last three years is that we are overrun in midfield with 4-4-2 with two holding midfielders. So, somebody posts a solution that involves us playing 4-4-2 with two holding midfielders. Madness.
And Coleman is one of the best right-backs in the Premier League. So why don't we play him at right back and not left-midfield?
I wholeheartedly agree with this. I think it was you and I who pointed this out after the Russia game. What I couldn't fathom is why he wouldn't change or address this. Perhaps its as simple as an old dog and new tricks.
Which Russia game? It was quite clear after the one in Dublin, where 3-2 totally flattered us. And clear as day after the one in Moscow.
The Beenhakker slump after taking Poland to the Euros, he came away with one draw there, then dived to the bottom of the next WC qual group, one of the most woeful slumps of any team in Europe and now he's redundant re being a manager in football.
But continue to idiotically wave your Leo flag Benno, continue the history revision and just wipe that 2 year Beenhakker slump out of history and then look for praise because you haven't changed your mind on Bennhakker from day one.
If there's going to be a new manager for next month's games then a deal would really need to be in the gestation period now.... wonder if there's business being done as we tuck into Sunday lunch???
The Beenhakker slump after taking Poland to the Euros, he came away with one draw there, then dived to the bottom of the next WC qual group, one of the most woeful slumps of any team in Europe and now he's redundant re being a manager in football.
But continue to idiotically wave your Leo flag Benno, continue the history revision and just wipe that 2 year Beenhakker slump out of history and then look for praise because you haven't changed your mind on Bennhakker from day one.
Geysir, you brought his name up(I might have mentioned him, among with other managers, about 5/6 years ago, but its great that you crawled back on my old posts). I guess he isnt working now as he is quite old.
We cant say how he would have done for Ireland because that never happened. Unlike Trap which happened.
So anymore 5/6 year old posts you care to bring up! That's desperate!
that's true, and I agree with you on every point there, but I was wondering why this has only become an issue in the public domain now, after Trapattoni has left the setup, i.e. why was it never mentioned in the last 12 months?
This thread is going well.
May we thank our relative 'gods', we're not doing the choosing...
Jesus 42 pages as well, that was quick. How many pages did the pre trap one get?
Probably because everyone took it as a given that Trap wouldn't be keeping a close eye on the underage teams!
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