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**Dodge** · 27/10/2011, 10:02 AM

Again with goals & aspirations? If its one thing clubs don't lack its goals & aspirations...

What they do lack is money to pay for these improvements

**El-Pietro** · 27/10/2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by legendz

There is but as mentioned, it is not enforced enough. Personally I think grade 4 should be the aim for most Premier clubs. For a club like Sligo, if they plot a route to the Europa League group stages in the next few years, the goal off the park should be to have a stadium to match the level. These stadia aren't going to happen over night I know but it should be a target of the level to reach.

You should really educate your self as to what Grade 4 entails and then come back to us. Its not as attainable as you believe.

**pineapple stu** · 27/10/2011, 10:24 AM

Also, a European licence is a step above a league licence. So licencing does already cover at least part of the step up there anyway.

**legendz** · 27/10/2011, 7:59 PM

Originally Posted by El-Pietro

You should really educate your self as to what Grade 4 entails and then come back to us. Its not as attainable as you believe.

Educate yourself. I've seen the UEFA document on the grades. Wouldn't be posting on the subject had I not.

**legendz** · 27/10/2011, 8:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Again with goals & aspirations? If its one thing clubs don't lack its goals & aspirations...

What they do lack is money to pay for these improvements

I don't doubt it.

**El-Pietro** · 27/10/2011, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by legendz

Educate yourself. I've seen the UEFA document on the grades. Wouldn't be posting on the subject had I not.

you clearly haven't because you seem to think that we can get up to grade 4 overnight. we for one don't have the room to get up to grade 4 and if were to realistically get up to that level wed more than likely need to leave Turners Cross

**legendz** · 27/10/2011, 8:54 PM

Originally Posted by El-Pietro

you clearly haven't because you seem to think that we can get up to grade 4 overnight. we for one don't have the room to get up to grade 4 and if were to realistically get up to that level wed more than likely need to leave Turners Cross

Originally Posted by legendz

It's clearly not something that can come in over night but at least in principle, it should be a goal/aspiration.

You clearly can't read or need to educate yourself.

**legendz** · 29/10/2011, 10:06 PM

With just the relegation/promotion play-off to come, we could nearly start predictions on how the divisions will line-up at the start of next year, not many leagues could make a prediction competition based on that at a season's end! My own prediction for the start of next season is 12 & 12 of:

Premier Division:
Shamrock Rovers
Sligo Rovers
Derry City
St. Patrick's Atheltic
Bohemians
Bray Wanderers
Dundalk
UCD
Drogheda
Cork City
Shelbourne
Monaghan Utd

First Division:
Galway Utd
Limerick FC
Waterford Utd
Longford Town
Mervue Utd
Athlone Town
Finn Harps
Wexford Youths
Salthill
FC Carlow
Tralee Dynamos
Cobh Ramblers

**geezer** · 29/10/2011, 10:14 PM

[QUOTE=legendz;1547602]With just the relegation/promotion play-off to come, we could nearly start predictions on how the divisions will line-up at the start of next year, not many leagues could make a prediction competition based on that at a season's end! My own prediction for the start of next season is 12 & 12 of:

Premier Division:
Shamrock Rovers
Sligo Rovers
Derry City
St. Patrick's Athelt
UCD
Drogheda
Cork City
Shelbourne
Monaghan Utd

First Division:

Limerick FC
Waterford Utd
Longford Town
Mervue Utd

Licence doubts over anyone else if you read foot.ie or extratime.ie

**leedsfan88** · 30/10/2011, 12:04 AM

Monaghan may not be in the playoffs, there is still the question of the points they were awarded by FAI for the Harps game...

I reckon the playoffs will get delayed while that gets sorted properly

**blue til i die** · 30/10/2011, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by legendz

With just the relegation/promotion play-off to come, we could nearly start predictions on how the divisions will line-up at the start of next year, not many leagues could make a prediction competition based on that at a season's end! My own prediction for the start of next season is 12 & 12 of:

First Division:
Galway Utd
Limerick FC
Waterford Utd
Longford Town
Mervue Utd
Athlone Town
Finn Harps
Wexford Youths
Salthill
FC Carlow
Tralee Dynamos
Cobh Ramblers

Oh sweet mother of divine god.....

**CSFShels** · 30/10/2011, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by leedsfan88

Monaghan may not be in the playoffs, there is still the question of the points they were awarded by FAI for the Harps game...

I reckon the playoffs will get delayed while that gets sorted properly

Was this not already resolved?

**born2bwild** · 30/10/2011, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by blue til i die

Oh sweet mother of divine god.....

What, no trip to Dublin?

Bohs might well be your trip to the big shmoke yet.

**Sam_Heggy** · 30/10/2011, 8:17 AM

Geezer, I doubt if all those clubs you mentioned will be guaranteed a licence either.

Any hear if Salthill or Wexford will be entering the league next season? Word is that both will opt out.

Possibly only 18 clubs left, 1 league possibly?

Tralee, Carlow and Cobh would be mental to come into the 1st Division.

**leedsfan88** · 30/10/2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Was this not already resolved?

From what I've heard no its not been fully resolved and Limerick have grounds to appeal to a higher court or UEFA

**CSFShels** · 30/10/2011, 1:27 PM

Originally Posted by leedsfan88

From what I've heard no its not been fully resolved and Limerick have grounds to appeal to a higher court or UEFA

Can't imagine you'll have any luck with that.

**dfx-** · 30/10/2011, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by leedsfan88

From what I've heard no its not been fully resolved and Limerick have grounds to appeal to a higher court or UEFA

So it's resolved then

**culloty82** · 30/10/2011, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Geezer, I doubt if all those clubs you mentioned will be guaranteed a licence either.

Any hear if Salthill or Wexford will be entering the league next season? Word is that both will opt out.

Possibly only 18 clubs left, 1 league possibly?

Tralee, Carlow and Cobh would be mental to come into the 1st Division.

I'd have thought Wexford would be staying put unless and until Wallace's assets have been frozen, but after that they'd have no choice in the matter. As for Tralee, Carlow and Cobh, they know the levels of cash required, but it's either stay senior or go back to playing Fenit, Rockmount and Newbridge respectively every week. I'd broadly agree with Legendz's divisions - the League needs that many teams as insurance for Galway, Bohs etc.

**Begrudger** · 01/11/2011, 10:03 AM

Would be fantastic to see Limerick back in prem with the finances in order and new facilities coming to have a disgraceful decision by the FAI hand promotion to Monaghan would be an injustice

**monsexile** · 01/11/2011, 10:07 AM

Mons are playing Keith Quinn and John Reilly tonight as they agree with Limerick that suspensions should not count. Also seeking to get Finn Harps 2-2 draw in March replayed as Monaghan were forced to not play Declan O'Brien after he had been sent off playing for ANOTHER TEAM in ANOTHER SEASON.
Limerick logic. Bore off.