Shamrock Rovers v Derry City

**bennocelt** · 14/10/2011, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

We will. We're miles ahead on goal difference witha 3 point cushion. Even a loss to Derry, we should be OK with the alst game against Drogheda.

Bohs have to play Sligo at home, then Derry away.

We'll win the Cup so if Derry are barred, Bohs will get the next spot. or Bray if they're barred

Wow Bray in Europe, this league just gets better and better,lol

**pineapple stu** · 14/10/2011, 2:30 PM

On that, are Bray in the Setanta as things stand? Is next year's format the same as this year's?

**Charlie Darwin** · 14/10/2011, 2:44 PM

Well that was very satisfying. I was disappointed (well not disappointed, but you know what I mean) that Derry never really looked like they wanted to win the game, in the second half at least. They seemed to be all over the place in the second half and Kenny's changes were poor (taking Farren back off when he'd caused the defence way more problems than Zayed). Rovers looked a bit nervous at the back, particularly in the first half, but Sullivan and Ricer had excellent games. Can't believe Ricketts got man of the match - apart from his excellent dead ball deliveries, and goal obviously, he was muck for most of the game. The Derry full back had him in his pocket all game.

**Dodge** · 14/10/2011, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

On that, are Bray in the Setanta as things stand? Is next year's format the same as this year's?

Depends on whether you think there'll be a setanta cup next year or not

**hoopy** · 14/10/2011, 4:18 PM

Originally Posted by horton

I don't. Care to clarify what you mean by ham then? I've tried googling and theres a whole range of meanings from several racial/religious slurs to meanings that have no relevance?

Bonnie Shels wins the prize. Ham actor. Surely it's not just a Dublin saying?

**CiaranR** · 14/10/2011, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

Don't hate either... for what's it worth I recently said I felt sorry for Bohs etc. and in the post above I praised the manner in which Derry played lat night. I do however have very little regard for Kenny and Zayed after their comments relating to Turner as despite the inquiry at the time finding Turner innocent of racism neither Kenny or Zayed had the decency to publicly withdraw their unfounded allegations.

Turner was presumed innocent because there wasn't enough evidence to show that he had actually done what he was accused of. On the same token, Zayed wasn't proved to have been telling lies. There's obviously a lacuna of fact here, and we'll never know for sure what actually happened.

I understand that you're backing your player. Fair play. But try not to be so resentful.

**born2bwild** · 14/10/2011, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by hoopy

Bonnie Shels wins the prize. Ham actor. Surely it's not just a Dublin saying?

Of course it's not just a Dublin saying. As an adjective a 'ham' actor is an actor capable of portraying only the most cliched emotions, hackneyed reactions and predictable tones of voice.

It's also a verb - to ham something up - is to deliberately behave like a ham actor.

William Shatner is a ham actor.

In the context of the match last night calling Zayed a ham would be to suggest that he was diving, a chancer, a clown.

**pineapple stu** · 14/10/2011, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Depends on whether you think there'll be a setanta cup next year or not

Yeah, that's kind of what I was wondering alright. Any word on that either way?

**bullit** · 14/10/2011, 5:30 PM

I was told that it will be on next year alright. 6 teams from FAI Cup Winners, EA Sports Cup Winners and then the remaining four places being allocated from league placings.

**Calcio Jack** · 16/10/2011, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by CiaranR

Turner was presumed innocent because there wasn't enough evidence to show that he had actually done what he was accused of. On the same token, Zayed wasn't proved to have been telling lies. There's obviously a lacuna of fact here, and we'll never know for sure what actually happened.

I understand that you're backing your player. Fair play. But try not to be so resentful.

Not being resentful.... fact is that both Zayed and Kenny made an accusation, fact Turner owned up to what he said, fact the tribunal found that Turner was innocent of the charge of racism levelled at him.

The norm as we all know is that one is innocent until proven guilty, as Turner was proven to be innocen therefore mesrrs Kenny and Zayed appear to be either ignorant of that or chose to ignore it.

Therfore as I've already mentioned I have no respect for either Zayed or Kenny because neither of them had the honesty or decency to withdraw their unsubstantiated accusations, which makes them in my view two pathetic individuals with no class and they are therefore for me not welcome in terms of either being a future employee of SRFC and I'll reiterate that Kenny at least has zero chance of that ever coming to pass.

**SwanVsDalton** · 16/10/2011, 9:04 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Well that was very satisfying. I was disappointed (well not disappointed, but you know what I mean) that Derry never really looked like they wanted to win the game, in the second half at least. They seemed to be all over the place in the second half and Kenny's changes were poor (taking Farren back off when he'd caused the defence way more problems than Zayed).

Bit harsh on your own side? We were completely rattled by the goal but credit to Rovers, they ruthlessly closed the game down. Always thought if Rovers opened the scoring they'd go on to win the game.

**CSFShels** · 16/10/2011, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

Not being resentful.... fact is that both Zayed and Kenny made an accusation, fact Turner owned up to what he said, fact the tribunal found that Turner was innocent of the charge of racism levelled at him.

The norm as we all know is that one is innocent until proven guilty, as Turner was proven to be innocen therefore mesrrs Kenny and Zayed appear to be either ignorant of that or chose to ignore it.

Therfore as I've already mentioned I have no respect for either Zayed or Kenny because neither of them had the honesty or decency to withdraw their unsubstantiated accusations, which makes them in my view two pathetic individuals with no class and they are therefore for me not welcome in terms of either being a future employee of SRFC and I'll reiterate that Kenny at least has zero chance of that ever coming to pass.

If something happened you and the person who did it was found innocent would you withdraw the claims?

**born2bwild** · 16/10/2011, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

If something happened you and the person who did it was found innocent would you withdraw the claims?

If the person I had wrongly accused was a person of totally impeccable character from a club renowned for its open-minded and respectful support I would not only withdraw the claims but I would hand myself in at the nearest Garda station and demand to be arrested as a matter of public safety.

**osarusan** · 16/10/2011, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

fact Turner owned up to what he said

Do you have any evidence to back this up? I asked after the investigation if we'd ever found out what Turner had actually said (and admitted to saying), and nobody was able to tell me.

**placid casual** · 17/10/2011, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by born2bwild

If the person I had wrongly accused was a person of totally impeccable character from a club renowned for its open-minded and respectful support I would not only withdraw the claims but I would hand myself in at the nearest Garda station and demand to be arrested as a matter of public safety.

I can only assume your not old enough to remember ollie byrne..

**punkrocket** · 17/10/2011, 8:58 AM

Originally Posted by born2bwild

Of course it's not just a Dublin saying. As an adjective a 'ham' actor is an actor capable of portraying only the most cliched emotions, hackneyed reactions and predictable tones of voice.

It's also a verb - to ham something up - is to deliberately behave like a ham actor.

William Shatner is a ham actor.

In the context of the match last night calling Zayed a ham would be to suggest that he was diving, a chancer, a clown.

Or just plain clumsy as in hamfisted

**BonnieShels** · 17/10/2011, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by placid casual

I can only assume your not old enough to remember ollie byrne..

He missed out on the "glory" years.

**dfx-** · 17/10/2011, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Anyone remember an occasion when the Premier Division trophy was present or the title was won at a UCD game? Certainly hasn't happened in my time going to games.

Has/Can the area behind the dugouts ever be used...?

Capacity wise..

**pineapple stu** · 17/10/2011, 2:01 PM

I don't think so; not concrete. The "terraces" behind either goal are usable obviously; the official capacity is 1500 standing and 1500 seated. Think it was 2200 this time last year for the 3-2 win.

**marinobohs** · 17/10/2011, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Do you have any evidence to back this up? I asked after the investigation if we'd ever found out what Turner had actually said (and admitted to saying), and nobody was able to tell me.

The FAI decided to ban him (Turner) to show the world how innocent he was. Shams did not appeal the ban for the same obvious reason

Surely time to move on for all concerned ?