Shamrock Rovers v Derry City

[Dodge]

But its impossible to prove 'malice'. In the Evra case, what kind of motive would he have to make it malicious? It could just as easily be a case of him mishearing something, and where does that leave people? I just can't ever see a way an accuser (in football terms) could ever be punished (for reasons Ciaran outline above)

And the PFAI represents both players, it clearly can't take sides

[marinobohs]

But its impossible to prove 'malice'. In the Evra case, what kind of motive would he have to make it malicious? It could just as easily be a case of him mishearing something, and where does that leave people? I just can't ever see a way an accuser (in football terms) could ever be punished (for reasons Ciaran outline above)

And the PFAI represents both players, it clearly can't take sides

Nor is it acceptable that players names can be besmirched possibly based on misunderstanding. Would fully agree with any hearing in private (as I stated earlier) if this was possible.
I outlined a role as mediator (possibly to clarify any misunderstanding) and education (prevention) for the PFAI not adjudication, absolute nonsence to say they could not fulfill that role. The LMA (League managers assos) in the UK have mediated between managers in the past so the precedent is there.

Any adjudication should be a matter for the FAI as the body responsible for implementing the rules.

[sundance kid]

Bit hard to do anything in private when Stephen Kenny and the Zayed family are making allegations in public.

[marinobohs]

Bit hard to do anything in private when Stephen Kenny and the Zayed family are making allegations in public.

Made that point earlier SK. More often than not one side or the other (or both) will run to the media to "make their case" or leak information out. In Zahed case both happened (media and leaks)but it can often be a race to see who gets their case out first .

[Charlie Darwin]

For what it's worth, on twitter the other night Turner acknowledged that he said something but said it wasn't racist.

Evra has accused two people - a Chelsea staff member and now Suarez - of racism. The Steve Finnan one was apparently a deaf person who watched the game on TV and extrapolated from Finnan's lip movement that he said something racist. Evra never claimed Finnan racially abused him and the subsequent investigation declared the accusation to be nonsense.

[marinobohs]

For what it's worth, on twitter the other night Turner acknowledged that he said something but said it wasn't racist.

Evra has accused two people - a Chelsea staff member and now Suarez - of racism. The Steve Finnan one was apparently a deaf person who watched the game on TV and extrapolated from Finnan's lip movement that he said something racist. Evra never claimed Finnan racially abused him and the subsequent investigation declared the accusation to be nonsense.

Did they initiate an investigation of Finnan based on a deaf person phoning in ? Surely Evra knew if he was rascially abused or not by Finnan straight away ? equally, surely he was asked before they launched an investigation ? Also claimed he did not accuse Chavski staff member - some Man U staffer did. He (Evra) does seem to be unlucky in this regard though

Anyway, all this EPL stuff is bad.

[Charlie Darwin]

I don't think the FA ever investigated it. The person reported it to the police and they had a lip reading expert refute it. Evra said he wasn't aware of anything being said but he couldn't make any public statement because it was a police matter, which is fair enough.

[marinobohs]

I don't think the FA ever investigated it. The person reported it to the police and they had a lip reading expert refute it. Evra said he wasn't aware of anything being said but he couldn't make any public statement because it was a police matter, which is fair enough.

Fair enough CD although his (Evra) reluctance to comment on the Finnan case is in sharp contrast to his eagerness to run to the media last week. Unfortunately a good excample of a party "using the media" to support their case

Would like to think FAI would put some protocol in place on how to deal with complaints of rascism ( not overly hopefull though) to prevent them becoming a media circus and to protect the rights of both parties.