Kevin Doyle

**DannyInvincible** · 19/03/2011, 2:43 PM

Doyle sets one up for Jarvis now with a flick-on.

**Noelys Guitar** · 19/03/2011, 2:51 PM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Doyle sets one up for Jarvis now with a flick-on.

No. the beeb got it wrong it was Milijas who headed it on. Doyles "goal" should have stood. Having another excellent game. Foley is playing right full and doing OK. Wolves could be 3 0r 4 up. Actually just showed Doyles disallowed goal again and maybe jarvis' cross just went out of play. Pity but great to see him putting the chance away.

**tetsujin1979** · 19/03/2011, 2:53 PM

Villa's back line is painfully inexperienced, I'm surprised it isn't more than 1-0

**theworm2345** · 28/03/2011, 3:32 PM

Doyler could miss the rest of the season
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/...e_ireland.html

**DannyInvincible** · 28/03/2011, 4:57 PM

Article saying he he'll be out for between four and eight weeks now. I wouldn't condone rushing him back or anything, but he should be back for the game in Macedonia, if not Wolves' last game or two of the season.

**BonnieShels** · 28/03/2011, 11:19 PM

News came out this evening that it's a ligament strain that's not as bad as feared. Will still be 4-8 weeks though.

**geysir** · 29/03/2011, 12:08 AM

From the BBC, which goes against what I understood was the case regards insurance of players while on intl duty for Ireland.

Meanwhile, Wolves chief executive Jez Moxey revealed the club will not receive any compensation for Doyle's injury.
"We get diddly squat," he said. "Unlike England and Scotland, the Republic of Ireland don't offer insurance or compensation for players who get injured.
"Fifa's guidelines do not require them to do so. The clubs have to take out insurance to protect their players if they want to.
"Kevin has gone away, done his best for his country, and was playing well, setting up the first goal, got injured and we will continue to pay his wages and get no compensation at all for him."

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/03/2011, 12:10 AM

I have heard this before actually. There was also a fiasco before the Airtricity League XI played Manchester United at the end of last season and the players were offered 4 match tickets instead of insurance.

**Colbert Report** · 29/03/2011, 3:24 AM

No big deal, Wolves are a massive club who've made millions off our Kevin already. I hope they get relegated so he can get a transfer to a proper club like Birmingham.

**geysir** · 29/03/2011, 10:32 AM

I heard the same interview that Stutts remarked upon in another thread "with Moxey on the radio last night and Moxey actually seemed to take it all in good grace, accepting it as an occupational hazard and a quirk of the system"

But I humbly beg to differ. Moxey sounded a very decent jolly chap, which might have given the impression that he was taking it all with good grace but he gave me the impression, that on a financial level he felt Wolves were very hard done by. He pointed out that Wales etc insure their players and now Wolves are left out to hang dry to pay Doyle's wages while he recovers and all because the FAI don't insure the players. I got the sense that Moxey had just found about it and realised that he had nothing on the FAI. As if he didn't read the small print on the release request from the FAI which stated in obscure legal language that the FAI do no longer insure the players on intl duty.

I have a clear enough memory that the FAI insured the players and clubs were compensated for players injured on intl duty up to a period of 3 or 6 months. Clearly this policy has changed. Some wires have got crossed between the FAI and the clubs.
Doyle is the financial asset of Wolves and if all information was communicated and understood re the FAI insurance policy change, then surely you would expect Wolves to extend the insurance cover for their fragile valuable asset.
It is not clear where this communication broke down.
How does this change in FAI policy affect the squad? possibly it will be more difficult to get some 3/4 recovered players released by their clubs.

**tetsujin1979** · 29/03/2011, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by geysir

How does this change in FAI policy affect the squad? possibly it will be more difficult to get some 3/4 recovered players released by their clubs.

Under FIFA regulations, they have to be released for competitive games, even if it's only to be assessed by the medical team, although it's different for friendly games

**geysir** · 29/03/2011, 11:08 AM

Yet, if the club medics say the player is not ready but the FAI medics say the player is ready enough to play, the player collapses a la Keith O'Neill, then the club bears the brunt of the increased premiums.
I suppose that's okay to a certain degree, as long as the club is fully aware that the FAI have stopped their policy of insuring the players.

**Stuttgart88** · 29/03/2011, 4:35 PM

Fair enough Geysir, but I don't think Moxey was making a big song & dance about it. He was asked what compensation they got, and he said diddly squat. But he also acknowldged that they had the option to buy insurance themselves and they declined. You're right though, the pleasant tone probably masked some inner rage.

FAI are within their rights. FIFA's rules make international release compulsory. Didn't Charleroi and FIFA settle an insurance case (Oulmers) that could have had Bosman-like implications for national FAs. I can't recall the exact outcome - G14 was disbanded and a much larger ECA was formed that FIFA agreed to recognise and engage.

Maybe footballers are just paid too much.

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/03/2011, 5:24 PM

I can see why forcing national teams to insure players would be particularly harsh on smaller nations, but I think there could be a workaround. Maybe tie it to income, or have a centrally-negotiated insurance pool for national teams in each jurisdiction.

**John83** · 29/03/2011, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I can see why forcing national teams to insure players would be particularly harsh on smaller nations, but I think there could be a workaround. Maybe tie it to income, or have a centrally-negotiated insurance pool for national teams in each jurisdiction.

There are plenty of alternatives, e.g. limiting the payout to twice the median wage and paying any excess out of a pool set aside from TV money from the competition for this purpose. You don't want a small nation being unable to field their best ever player because they can't afford the insurance.

**geysir** · 29/03/2011, 6:06 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

But he also acknowldged that they had the option to buy insurance themselves and they declined.

I didn't hear that bit, or maybe I just heard a truncated version of the same interview, repeated on the next hourly sports news.

With knowledge of the option, it does put the ball firmly back in their court regardless of the fairness of it all. Then Wolves f�cked that one up.

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/03/2011, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by John83

There are plenty of alternatives, e.g. limiting the payout to twice the median wage and paying any excess out of a pool set aside from TV money from the competition for this purpose. You don't want a small nation being unable to field their best ever player because they can't afford the insurance.

Yeah, there are a lot of possible options. Clubs might be more amenable to contributing to a common European fund if FAs also buy in. UEFA/FIFA would have massive collective bargaining power, you'd think... but also endless capacity for corruption.