Bohs fans to loan club money?

[geysir]

I sorta thought (more a delusion) that Bohs had made some arrangement with a lender, so that the members could queue up (in their hundreds) and sign a bit of paper as a second guarantor for a €1,000 loan, but to be secured first on Bohs' assets.

[GGAJD]

I read the Indo article again and checked the Bohs forum, this is alot more disconcerting than I thought. I understand all the terms being uttered and how it all works, though what is worrying is that they have arrived here to soon. I would have thought, with a little foresight and planning, that a proper investment fund could be set up to keep things going. I know it would be set against future income, though it does raise the question - will they have enough to last through the off season if they don't win the league? And will they be able to offload players for next season?

They're main problem is far too immediate to wait until a proper investment strategy can be formed, because they now seem to be out of cashflow. The newly launched scheme has no upper or lower limit as in they'll take the coins you'd find down the back of your sofa right now and include you as a creditor. They're contractual obligations for next year for players and staff are huge. The top earners who took a pay cut last year did so with the previso of a six month extention to their contracts, which actually makes them more money than if they hadn't taken the cut. So they're still under contract until next July, I'm not sure if the 9 or 10 players they signed this year got a two year deal, obviously if they did then thats more owed, the first instalment of the Zurich loan is due in January, although I have heard that Albion may take that on in return for the ownership of the car park, no quotes, just what I heard from a gypo mate.
Even if they win the league and the cup and have CL monies to look forward to, I don't believe that will see them through to the start of next season, unless all contracted players and staff agree to just walk away with nothing and I'd doubt that would happen. Maybe if they promise them money when Dalyer is sold in 2017, could be a runner.
Unfortunately for the genuine fans of the club who've been workin hard to avoid this tragedy, it looks quite possible that they'll be following a bohs 2011 or afc boez team or something playing in the first division next year. It's a horrible situation for the fans but reality had to bite down there sometime.

[Spudulika]

Christ, that's worse than I thought! Though I'm sure that somehow it'll be worked out, at least I hope so.

On a related point, and this is something a Bohs fan or someone close to one knows the answer to: did the staff and players refuse to play TNS without reciving their bonuses or payments?

[geysir]

I half remember a story about the Dundalk players (Flanagan at the head?) having a serious enough stand-off with the chairman at the Airport prior to departure to some place.... Yugoslavia?
I think the chairman caved in and paid up the salaries owed.

[Martinho II]

I half remember a story about the Dundalk players (Flanagan at the head?) having a serious enough stand-off with the chairman at the Airport prior to departure to some place.... Yugoslavia?
I think the chairman caved in and paid up the salaries owed.

how long ago did this happen geysir?

[Spudulika]

That was going over to play Varteks in Croatia, at least it sounds like the story I was told over there. I was in the country by chance and drove up to the game - glorious sunshine and the fans enjoying the weather, and local brew!

It was 2002.

[placid casual]

One thing bohs are better at than Rovers it seems is their boycott from this s.ite.

[SkStu]

CmcC is a bohs fan. So is dalymountrower. Both have commented on this thread. Now i have.

What do you want Bohs fans to say exactly?

[sundance kid]

Maybe acknowledging that as a members club you all presided over and voted for ridiculous plans that are ultimately going to bankrupt your own club, all in the name of chasing the European dream and getting "4 in a row". And to think of all the guffawing you all did when shels/ollie byrne did the same thing. It's your club and as a members club you all take the blame, not just cuffe, conway and the rest of the buffoons you all elected.

[SkStu]

thought so.

[oriel]

how long ago did this happen geysir?

This was in 1977, Dundalk beat Hajuk Spilt 1-0 at home, I think infront of 5,000, so the players knew the club took in decent money, a mexican standoff of some sort did indeed take place in Dublin airport.

Jackie McManus was one of the players, I think he was the captain, other mentioned was Terry Flanagan, unsure of exact details and how it was resolved, but both players left shortly afterwards if I remember correctly.

[White Horse]

This was in 1977, Dundalk beat Hajuk Spilt 1-0 at home, I think infront of 5,000, so the players knew the club took in decent money, a mexican standoff of some sort did indeed take place in Dublin airport.

Jackie McManus was one of the players, I think he was the captain, other mentioned was Terry Flanagan, unsure of exact details and how it was resolved, but both players left shortly afterwards if I remember correctly.

You got the gist of it.

Dundalk's woe began even before they left to travel to the airport. In previous European games Dundalk reimbursed players loss of wages. As this would have resulted in varying amounts of money being paid out this time Dundalk offered lump sums. On the previous Friday night Tommy McConville and Tony Cavanagh approached the board to have their dole money reimbursed. This was refused on the grounds that the players were already been "well done by" with the good "spending money" that they were offered. The matter was raised again in Dublin airport as the team assembled to depart for Split. There were many different versions of what actually happened but a number of players including club captain Jackie McManus and Player's Union representative Mick Lawlor also got involved. After a lot of discussion McConville and Cavanagh agreed to travel without getting their wish. But the Club chairman Oliver Quinn informed both players that they were not welcome on the plane. The club released an official statement "Due to a serious breach of club discipline, prior to departure at Dublin airport, two players, Tommy McConville and Tony Cavanagh, did not travel". A young Martin Lawlor got his break into the first team squad as a result. Unfortunately the ramifications were serious for a number of players. Tony Cavanagh was never to play for Dundalk again, Tommy McConville appeared to be have been "sacked" but made an apology to the club and was back playing again by November, and Jackie McManus who got caught up in the discussion in the airport played his last game for the club in Split and was transferred to Drogheda United.

http://www.dundalkfc.com/dundalkfcwe...pe_77Split.htm

[Spudulika]

Thanks White Horse, I thought it was the later version. That Dundalk team did a great job home and away, almost putting out one of the best sides to play for Hajduk. It was 0-0 at half time in Split too.

[OneRedArmy]

Maybe acknowledging that as a members club you all presided over and voted for ridiculous plans that are ultimately going to bankrupt your own club, all in the name of chasing the European dream and getting "4 in a row". And to think of all the guffawing you all did when shels/ollie byrne did the same thing. It's your club and as a members club you all take the blame, not just cuffe, conway and the rest of the buffoons you all elected.

In fairness, unless you know how the Bohs fans on here voted you can't really tar them all with the same brush.

Although Derry City isn't and wasn't a members club, in similar circumstances some of the shareholders did dissent, repeatedly and got short shrift.

By all means castigate the majority of chumps who accepted what they were being told, but I wouldn't use that to damn 100% of fans.

[Réiteoir]

Maybe acknowledging that as a members club you all presided over and voted for ridiculous plans that are ultimately going to bankrupt your own club, all in the name of chasing the European dream and getting "4 in a row". And to think of all the guffawing you all did when shels/ollie byrne did the same thing. It's your club and as a members club you all take the blame, not just cuffe, conway and the rest of the buffoons you all elected.

Nothing worse than a smug soapbox pontificator

[HulaHoop]

Nothing worse than a smug soapbox pontificator

Oh the irony.....

[Mr A]

The Indo does mention bank loans, even though the Bohs statement did not: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...t-2359055.html

[sundance kid]

Nothing worse than a smug soapbox pontificator

Maybe its more to do with years of "The Big Club", and "We are Invincible" all being paid for with money you didn't have.
The bottom line is that the turkeys voted for christmas, and now they're crying because Santa showed up with a smile on his face, a packet of paxo, and a meat cleaver.

[marinobohs]

Maybe its more to do with years of "The Big Club", and "We are Invincible" all being paid for with money you didn't have.
The bottom line is that the turkeys voted for christmas, and now they're crying because Santa showed up with a smile on his face, a packet of paxo, and a meat cleaver.

Jeez you have it bad ! Did you have this fixation with all clubs that were in trouble (Shels, Shams, Drogs, Cork etc) or is it just a Bohs thing ? years of "the big club" and "we are invincible" ? if you took/take footie chants that seriously you have bigger problems than Bohs do

[Dodge]

Jeez you have it bad ! Did you have this fixation with all clubs that were in trouble (Shels, Shams, Drogs, Cork etc) or is it just a Bohs thing ? years of "the big club" and "we are invincible" ? if you took/take footie chants that seriously you have bigger problems than Bohs do

maybe you should treat internet posts as you'd like him to treat football chants then