Tipp South & District League 2010/11

**saintsfan** · 26/08/2010, 9:01 AM

Originally Posted by ShaneM

lads i heard the referee was a pure joke in the villa game....that game was to big for such a new referee and it showed....gary lyonns was brought down for a clear penalty and fell under the pressure of the micheals bench.....

I totally agree with you, the referee was nothing short of a disgrace last night, to both sides. The standard of Referees in the TSDL this year is still appalling, from what I have seen so far. A couple of the Cahir lads came in to Cooke Park after their game at Galbally, and I heard them complaining about the Ref also at that game. To be honest, Saints had a couple of clear calls for penos also, - he was completely out of his depth for such a big game, very close game, Very relieved to get that goal in the last minute!

**ComeOnTownNow** · 26/08/2010, 10:07 AM

who reffed the peake and michaels game? at the town and wildies game one of the wildies players jason barnes punched a goal bound ball with his two hands away and there was nothin given, it was a complete joke, should of been a red card and a penalty, there was 3 officials at the game and none of them could see it. the standard does leave a lot to be desired.

**ComeOnTownNow** · 26/08/2010, 10:08 AM

question for ponyobrien....

whats gone wrong in celtic park? surely the league is over for them, the same start for town last year cost town the league

**Quietman** · 26/08/2010, 10:33 AM

According to the TSDL website W. Burke reffed the Saints V peake Villa game..... Disgusted I missed the Wildies V Town sounds like it was an entertaining game...........Looks like Celtic are out of contention already and if things continue they will probably struggle to keep the Team together...... I heard the Celtic manager had a go at the ref after last nights game and will be lucky not to receive a lenghty ban for his actions................

**ShaneM** · 26/08/2010, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan

I totally agree with you, the referee was nothing short of a disgrace last night, to both sides. The standard of Referees in the TSDL this year is still appalling, from what I have seen so far. A couple of the Cahir lads came in to Cooke Park after their game at Galbally, and I heard them complaining about the Ref also at that game. To be honest, Saints had a couple of clear calls for penos also, - he was completely out of his depth for such a big game, very close game, Very relieved to get that goal in the last minute!

ya its a disgrace...if people coming from another game in galbally can see it surely something has to be done....i couldnt believe it when ye got the goal....oh well when you dont finish your chances ya cant expect to win...

**balls** · 26/08/2010, 10:47 AM

how can refs get better if they dont get big game experience, i have seen j hadnett, t keating, m freiberg, t maher and paddy keane ref premier games this season and they all have done fine jobs in all games, few errors in the games but there only human and cant be expected to get everything right,

few wins and celtic will be back on track, same for peake they must have played well last night to have held michaels scoreless for almost 90 mins, but looks like saints and town will slog it out for title, down at bottom will be very tight, cashel should come 5th wilderness are off to great start but they have michaels and peake up next so will be interesting to see how they react after couple of defeats if they lose. looks like galbally and cahir will be bottom 2 , but at the same time dont think either will be whipping boys of the division so it makes for good competitive league. most teams should have 6 games played by all ireland final weekend so league table should start to take shape then

**saintsfan** · 26/08/2010, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ShaneM

ya its a disgrace...if people coming from another game in galbally can see it surely something has to be done....i couldnt believe it when ye got the goal....oh well when you dont finish your chances ya cant expect to win...

Yeah, we were just lucky I think, Peake have got a bit of bad press lately about not being as good as they usually are, etc, losing players, but they held Saints scoreless for 90 mins like you say, they wont be bad at all this year, if they keep plugging away, unfortunately, frustration cost them a man last night, the tackle was completely reckless on Ray Mac and a straight red was the only option to calm things down at that very late stage. Ref had no control of that incident either, but to be fair to Ref, he was the only official - they could have done with 2 linesmen last night. Getting either member of a Club to do linesman at a tight game like last night doesnt help either.

**ShaneM** · 26/08/2010, 11:05 AM

no two linesmen should have been issued....and yes the tacle was completely reckless....a stupid act which will give him a ban ....villa will have to get a winning streak together to boost the confidence...

**Quietman** · 26/08/2010, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan

but to be fair to Ref, he was the only official - they could have done with 2 linesmen last night. Getting either member of a Club to do linesman at a tight game like last night doesnt help either.

There's a thing, in some other Leagues all premier games have 3 officials, so why not in the TSDL? Is it purely to cut down on the cost to Clubs? I would imagine if all the Premier Clubs contacted the League to request 3 officials then it would happen!!

**ShaneM** · 26/08/2010, 11:16 AM

yeah im sure it would....they should at least have 3 officials for big games like saints and villa which has always been a big game...

**Quietman** · 26/08/2010, 11:33 AM

I think it's fair to say that 99% of Premier Teams train 2 - 3 nights a week and would prefer a more professional experience from the league and officials. Three sets of eyes are better than one..................and to get back to one of the earlier comments regarding the Michaels and Peake game, it's true that young referees will only learn with experience and if that referee had had 2 experienced officials with him last night, he would have learned from their advice and assistance..........

**cufc champions** · 26/08/2010, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Quietman

There's a thing, in some other Leagues all premier games have 3 officials, so why not in the TSDL? Is it purely to cut down on the cost to Clubs? I would imagine if all the Premier Clubs contacted the League to request 3 officials then it would happen!!

the waterford league has 3 officals at every premier it puts enoromous strain on officals to get lower league games played and also doesnt guarentee quality officating!

**Mission Bell** · 26/08/2010, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by cufc champions

the waterford league has 3 officals at every premier it puts enoromous strain on officals to get lower league games played and also doesnt guarentee quality officating!

Yes, even with three officials they still made a mess of proceedings v Waterford Crystal last Sunday.

**Referee09** · 26/08/2010, 3:42 PM

Who Reffed that battle??

**Insidetherock** · 26/08/2010, 3:59 PM

Ah, it's great to see the old hoary chestnut of refereeing starting so early in the season.

Come on lads, be honest, if there were 3 refs on the field, 6 linesmens, 8 "behind the goal officials", and 16 observers in the stand... the officiating would still be "disgraceful" if you felt that something went against your team.

Remember, so much of the referees job is based on interpretation. How often does "a dirty tackle" become "a full blooded challenge", depending on whether it's your player or the opponents player gets tackled.

Offsides are going to be wrong at times, because if anything offsides are physically and biologically impossible to call much of the time. Think about that and the offside rule. How can a lineman or ref take not of the position of a player and see the pass being kicked without eyes that move in two different directions independently ?

And, why would we never expect a player to have a completely perfect game, yet expect a referee to have one every single time they run out onto the field ?

Come on lads, lay off the refs.

**ShaneM** · 26/08/2010, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Insidetherock

Ah, it's great to see the old hoary chestnut of refereeing starting so early in the season.

Come on lads, be honest, if there were 3 refs on the field, 6 linesmens, 8 "behind the goal officials", and 16 observers in the stand... the officiating would still be "disgraceful" if you felt that something went against your team.

Remember, so much of the referees job is based on interpretation. How often does "a dirty tackle" become "a full blooded challenge", depending on whether it's your player or the opponents player gets tackled.

Offsides are going to be wrong at times, because if anything offsides are physically and biologically impossible to call much of the time. Think about that and the offside rule. How can a lineman or ref take not of the position of a player and see the pass being kicked without eyes that move in two different directions independently ?

And, why would we never expect a player to have a completely perfect game, yet expect a referee to have one every single time they run out onto the field ?

Come on lads, lay off the refs.

yeah but its not the regular tackles that give free kicks to other teams....were talkin about stone wall penos or in the wildies game a man blocking the ball off the line with his hand...these are the decisions we are talking about...these referees will just have to start giving penaltys for incidents like these...a penalty is a penalty no matter who your playing or where your playing...

**Tipp Top** · 26/08/2010, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by ShaneM

yeah but its not the regular tackles that give free kicks to other teams....were talkin about stone wall penos or in the wildies game a man blocking the ball off the line with his hand...these are the decisions we are talking about...these referees will just have to start giving penaltys for incidents like these...a penalty is a penalty no matter who your playing or where your playing...

I would have to agree,regardless of the score in a game or who commits the foul.....a penalty is a penalty

**Insidetherock** · 26/08/2010, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by ShaneM

yeah but its not the regular tackles that give free kicks to other teams....were talkin about stone wall penos or in the wildies game a man blocking the ball off the line with his hand...these are the decisions we are talking about...these referees will just have to start giving penaltys for incidents like these...a penalty is a penalty no matter who your playing or where your playing...

True.. and remember, Ireland lost out on a possible place in the World Cup because of a handball.. Young Boys of Berne probably feel that the clincher for Spurs last night scored by Defoe that knocked them out of the Champions League was a handball, and numerous other decisions at the highest level of football are missed every week.. by fully professional referees, with the aid of fully professional referees as linesmen

So don't you expect amateur ref's to miss some decisions sometimes ?

Without refs, there wouldn't be games. And, though this might sound harsh Shane, or anyone else who comments.. if you think you can do better, sign up and become a ref yourself

**ShaneM** · 26/08/2010, 8:36 PM

Originally Posted by Insidetherock

True.. and remember, Ireland lost out on a possible place in the World Cup because of a handball.. Young Boys of Berne probably feel that the clincher for Spurs last night scored by Defoe that knocked them out of the Champions League was a handball, and numerous other decisions at the highest level of football are missed every week.. by fully professional referees, with the aid of fully professional referees as linesmen

So don't you expect amateur ref's to miss some decisions sometimes ?

Without refs, there wouldn't be games. And, though this might sound harsh Shane, or anyone else who comments.. if you think you can do better, sign up and become a ref yourself

dont get me wrong i can see where your coming from and the refs do deserve a lot more than what they get but if you asked a 12 year old was that foul on gary lyonns for peake villa a penalty he would have said yes....a lot of it has got to do with nerves...the referees seem to react a lot to the benches and the home support..