Not Cheated, as he's done nothing wrong, technically!! I fully agree that the ball is always given back in the Spirit of the Game....................something which Fogarty lacked last night!Originally Posted by complexman
I wasn't at the game, but I am going to take an opposite view to most of the posters here so far.
Let's get this straight ok. The rules were clarified at the beginning of this season to draw attention to this kind of incident, because frankly some clubs all over the world were acting the maggot by feigning injury to disrupt play.
And every club, player and referee know the rules. They are pretty simple. Should a referee deem an injury to a player serious enough, it is the duty of the referee to stop play until the injury has been attended to. In the case of a head injury, the referee should show no discretion and stop the game immediately. Play will then resume after the injury has been cleared by means of a dropped ball.
It is very, very simple. If the ref thinks play should be stopped, he stops it. Not a player on the team of the injured player, and not a player on the team of the player who has or hasn't the ball at the time a player gets injured.
And before people start to give me a lecture about sportsmanship, explain this for me.
Why do teams who recieve an element of sportsmanship when a player in injured, use the injury to their advantage afterwards ? Is that showing sportsmanship ?
Team A may be attacking and in an advanced area, pressuring Team B. In a tackle, one of Team B's players go down, and his team mates start to scream for the ball to be put out. So, Team A puts it out, giving Team B a throw in. Within a minute, the injured player hops up to resume playing, and Team B "give the ball back". Except, now Team B has got its defence back into place and organised, and the player recieving the throw in boots it the whole lenght of the pitch into a corner where Team A has to retrieve it, and is then met by a line of players from Team B pressing them from the half way line. So, Team B uses the injury to their advantage. Is that sportsmanlike ?
Teams should cop themselves on, and this goes all the way from the lowest divisions to the World Cup. There is a rule there to take care of this issue.. follow the rule.. and play to the whistle.
Is that really too hard for players to do.
And, lets be honest... I've defended Barry Ryan and praised Clonmel Town here in the past, and have no axe to grind with either team or player.. but expecting Peake Villa to stand out of the way and let Barry walk through for an equaliser was like showing a red rag to a bull.
As far as the abondonment goes. If it was because Clonmel Town refused to play on, then the points should be awarded to Peake Villa. Simple as that.
Not Cheated, as he's done nothing wrong, technically!! I fully agree that the ball is always given back in the Spirit of the Game....................something which Fogarty lacked last night!
"There is no pressure at the top. The pressure's being second or third."
Town didn't refuse to play on. The ref was correct. I have an opposite view and I think most people would,especailly anyone who was at the game
Insidetherock, you can talk rules all you want but answer me this? What had Clonmel Town to gain by Scully going down and feigning injury?
The whole debacle is a joke and only brings the TSDL into disrepute after the positive Youths Cup win last weekend. Whatever way you look at what happened last night (OJECTIVELY AND NOT IMPARTIALLY) both clubs have blackened the reputation of the league.
Yes when the opposition kicks it out so a player on the opposite team can get attention. It is then given back. This doesn't always happen when a team mate kicks it out so his own player gets attention. Depends I suppose. I wasn't at the game so can't comment on the rest of the 'action' but looks like a shambles. Good luck in sorting this one out. Big crowd at it?
"oh my, that was some beer we had last night, I think I feel like getting sick" Effin Eddie
How did Clonmel Town bring the game into disrepute- Aaron Moroney was wrong in what he did but I find it hard to condemn him outright. You dislike Town which is fair enough but you weren't at the game, stop taking the moral high ground here. Peake Villa are the ones who blackened their own good name and the league.
If the referee abandoned game after moroneys tackle or because of his tackle ye could be in trouble.Even though they enticed it.that is very bad form for a club to stoop to that level, lowest of the lowest.was there any more red cards after ref abandoned game.it will probably all come down to refs report.best of luck with it anyway.
How do you come to the conclusion from anything I've posted on here that I dislike Town? I have absolutely nothing against Clonmel Town. And I'm not taking any moral high ground. I'm merely stating the perception this will lead by those outside the league and the message it sends to those same people. As I said in my post, look at the situation objectively rather than taking the parochial view. Whether you or I were at the game or not is irrelevant.
He didn't abandon because of Moroney's tackle. Is it Town you are saying stooped to that level. I am furious with Villa, if I was a player I would have decked Fogarty,PJ Mooney and Michael Ryan.
Yes I agree that the perception will be awful on that I agree but your suggestion that Town have blackened the league is wrong. Thats my final word on last night
No I think you misread my post.it is peake that I'm saying behaved in a disgusting manner.remember arsenal and sheff utd few years ago peake could have done same.very bad form.I hope that clears it up for you.was there any more red cards after game?
No, Adrian Cleere got a few punches but whether there was a red card issued for that- I don't know
Sorry Complexman.. I cannot agree with you at all on this post.
And I cannot accept that you wouldn't condemn Aaron Moroney for making what sounds like was a dangerous tackle. No player has the right to assault another player, and if they go "to do someone", no matter what the circumstances, then that is what it is, assault.
As a matter of interest, while you find it hard to condemn Moroney for the tackle, how would you feel if you found out that PJ Mooney lost his job afterwards because he wasn't able to carry on with a broken leg (had it been broken)
I know people disagree with me in what I wrote, but the simple fact of the matter is that this situation has been hanging around the game for years now since the Arsenal/Sheffield Utd decsion, and more often than not, teams were beginning to use it as a deliberate tactic to slow down the game. While I am not accusing Scully of that, the fact is, how was a Peake Villa player supposed to know the extent of the injury ?
The decision to stop a game is rightly left to the referee, and to the referee alone, and for good reason.
Let me put it like this for example. Clonmel Town had the opportunity to continue playing themselves when they had the ball and Scully was down. If Peake Villa had stopped playing, pointing to the injured player, and Clonmel Town had scored, would people have considered it bad sportsmanship by Clonmel Town, or would we now be hearing how Peake should have "played to the whistle" ?
Fact remains, after the throw in was given, Town had time to defend it.. they refused to do so.. therefore one can have little sympathy with their predicament. They are big boys and you can be damn sure they'll never let it happen again.
And once again, no sympathy for Aaron Moroney, or any player, from any team, who goes in to do a player, no matter what the excuse.
I heard Saints gifted them the goal without picking who's fault it was - dont Saints can win league now!
what was score before this happened?
does that mean that both clubs will lose points?
I do condemn Moroney- what I said was I can understand his frustration. You weren't at the game. the villa player threw the ball to Foggy to give it back to Richie Ryan. He didn't sprint towards the goal, is was if the whole game paused. The ref didn't know what to do when he scored. It was bad form pure and simple.
I take your point on board about Moroney's tackle.
also why did Peake agree to allow Town score and then because it was Barry Ryan they wouldn't allow him. Why then not put the ball in your own net. Most of the villa players were ashamed
Insidetherock, I don't disagree with your comments and but I think the manner in which you word your posts is antagonising a little..... The fact remains that the game must be played in the correct spirit and Fogarty had plenty of time to think about what he was doing. For anyone who was at the game it was clear that he was unsure about whether to score or not and thought hard about it for a few seconds. As I said earlier, technically he has done nothing wrong.
As for why the game was abandoned......After Moroneys tackle he was red carded and both teams were then involved in a melee and if the ref had shown more red cards I have no doubt that at least another six would have walked, such was the seriousness of the brawl.
IMO both Clubs are responsible for the behaviour of the teams............which on the night left alot to be desired.
Who can I see the league blaming.........................Both teams with sympathy shown to Town!! Just my opinion.
"There is no pressure at the top. The pressure's being second or third."
There is no antagonism meant whatsoever... but I will be absolutely frank when I say that I have difficulties whenever I hear people attempt to justify something based on the "spirit of the game"
The problem in this area began because people abused teams good nature and covered themselves in the comfort blanket of "the spirit of the game"
Wheter I was at the game or not is incidental. That's another refuge of people when they wish to ignore someones opinion and it gives them an out.
There is a rule, and both teams should and I am sure do, know it. Play on unless the referee stops the game. Otherwise, the rule will, and was being, be abused
If the referee was allowing the game to continue, then Clonmel Town should have continued playing. It is as simple as that.
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