France V Ireland - Wednesday, 18th November 2009 - World Cup 2010 Playoff Second Leg

[irishultra]

i have to admit im hating the platini rubbish from english club supporting friends on facebook.

[LFC in Exile]

I can safely say that I would never cheat like that in a game of football. Never have, never will.

So, you've never called for a corner when it was a goal kick? Or looked for a throw in for your team when it really came off an opponent.

If not then I salute you - but I don't believe it and doubt you ever played football.

[jebus]

Maybe they're just sick of losing...

Actually has anyone commented in this thread that if Ireland hadn't blown three clear cut chances to wrap it up in the 90 mins that we wouldn't be having this conversation?

Doesn't change the fact Henry cheated I know but this idea that we had them beat if he hadn't needs to be addressed as well

It's our fault we're out because we didn't take our chances and have ended up as the plucky losers yet again. There's only so often that can happened before you become perennial losers to be honest. Ireland at the moment remind of the Wolves team of the 90s in that sense

[peadar1987]

So, you've never called for a corner when it was a goal kick? Or looked for a throw in for your team when it really came off an opponent.

If not then I salute you - but I don't believe it and doubt you ever played football.

No, I try to play the game how it is meant to be played. That's the way I was brought up. If the ball touched me last for a corner, I'll tell the ref. And I don't think it's too much to expect for others to do the same.

[irishultra]

ah come on i get your cheating point, in fact i agree but 'plucky losers' doesn't give that team justice. we went above france for that 90 minutes. we played like champions.

[Dodge]

Actually has anyone commented in this thread that if Ireland hadn't blown three clear cut chances to wrap it up in the 90 mins that we wouldn't be having this conversation?

Kinda....

Apparently FIFA made Damian Duff miss a one on one too. Scum!

[kingdom hoop]

Most currupt sport in the world. There's a reaosn why plenty of bookmakers don't accept bets on certain tournaments

Fair enough, I was thinking of it in a different context. Maybe the outcome of snooker matches is pre-arranged. (Probably due to the limited prizemoney available amongst a limited field? -that's for another day anyway.)


But the context I was thinking of it is was during a match. That no-one would ever try to guide a ball into a pocket with their hand, and in fact, the players usually call "fouls" on themselves. Different context but similar principle: the integrity and spirit not to take advantage of a mistake you made.

[LFC in Exile]

Trappatoni is a genuis. He is my hero.

They players are fantastic for the effort they put in.

We rode our luck the whole way - but of course the harder we try the luckier we got. We got breaks - especially the Georgia penalty when we took it and said 'oh well isn't football a funny old game'.

That's all she wrote about this one. It's better we spend our money on holidays in Ireland anyway.

[Dodge]

But Snooker players have taken beta blockers to relax, thats cheating.


its a fact of life. where there's a competition, someone will try and cheat to win

[kingdom hoop]

Actually has anyone commented in this thread that if Ireland hadn't blown three clear cut chances to wrap it up in the 90 mins that we wouldn't be having this conversation?

Doesn't change the fact Henry cheated I know but this idea that we had them beat if he hadn't needs to be addressed as well

We're waiting for you to open a "Blew Three Clear-Cut Chances" thread.

[SkStu]

But Snooker players have taken beta blockers to relax, thats cheating.


its a fact of life. where there's a competition, someone will try and cheat to win

big f*cking deal. Just because cheating happens, it doesnt make it right and it doesnt mean we cant moan about it when it affects us.

The fact that you and the Insane Limerick Posse arent so devoid of emotion is just weird and detached.

[jebus]

ah come on i get your cheating point, in fact i agree but 'plucky losers' doesn't give that team justice. we went above france for that 90 minutes. we played like champions.

But yet we're not, we're plucky losers yet again

We get to give the boys a good cheer but at the end of the day we've done nothing, yet again

It's about the only point I ever agreed with Roy Keane on when it comes to football

[LFC in Exile]

Fair enough, I was thinking of it in a different context. Maybe the outcome of snooker matches is pre-arranged. (Probably due to the limited prizemoney available amongst a limited field? -that's for another day anyway.)


But the context I was thinking of it is was during a match. That no-one would ever try to guide a ball into a pocket with their hand, and in fact, the players usually call "fouls" on themselves. Different context but similar principle: the integrity and spirit not to take advantage of a mistake you made.

Well... I said sport. Snooker is only a pastime - but that's a whole other argument.

Golf is apparently unspoiled - but only (in my opinion) because the cameras are everywhere and a player can be disqualified or penalised AFTER their round. Unlike football. My arguments that FIFA could do that would seem to stack up. But with golf when the cameras aren't around I've played with enough lads trying playing crap on the last 3 or 4 holes to keep their handicap to have any opinion that golf is this wonderful bastion of fair play.

[jebus]

big f*cking deal. Just because cheating happens, it doesnt make it right and it doesnt mean we cant moan about it when it affects us.

The fact that you and the Insane Limerick Posse arent so devoid of emotion is just weird and detached.

Mate you're spitting fury about a bunch of grown men kicking a bag of air about a pitch trying to out-cheat each other

Just to give you some perspective on who's being weird and who's not

[topia]

You mean you've been playing the game for 20-odd years and it's your natural instinct to do something you've been trained not to do all that time?

Something so basic as not handling the ball?

After 20 years of training you still naturally handle the ball when it comes to you? Good Lord, I train for gaelic football half the year and still know not to stretch my hand to control the ball if it comes near me.


Bear in mind handling the ball is not integral to the game. Falling is integral: you get tackled, or 'touched' as it may be, and you fall. But you should never handle the ball. That's the skill-set of the game, and of all people Henry is skilled and experienced enough to know that. Simply, it is NEVER done. Unless you're a conniving, cheating 'person'. It is, in my opinion, actually entirely unnatural when you play.







The question then is whether to blame the "player" or the "game" - my anguish is too blinding to think clearly on that point at the moment.

Before i read this post i thought to myself ok its still cheating but he instinctively put out a hand but this post made me think and when playing no i actually never instictively stick out a hand, if anything i take my hands as far away as possible and try to control the ball with another part of my anatomy... not handballing is your instinct when playing football

[SkStu]

Mate you're spitting fury about a bunch of grown men kicking a bag of air about a pitch trying to out-cheat each other

Just to give you some perspective on who's being weird and who's not

im disappointed that my country wont be at the World Cup next year and thats weird?

Sure...

[irishultra]

ok can i ask did anyone care that duff dived in 2002 to get ireland a penalty? if ireland had scored in a similar vein nobody would say anything

[jebus]

im disappointed that my country wont be at the World Cup next year and thats weird?

Sure...

Being disappointed is one thing, using bad puns like the Insane Limerick Posse is another matter entirely

[jebus]

Also if you follow this link you'll hear Henry admit it was a handball, that he admitted it on the pitch but that he's not the ref, he can't change a thing or decide what should be given or not

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8367418.st

Hopefully he gets hung for this

[SkStu]

sorry if it upset you, it was just a light hearted attempt at categorising you and LFCwhatever together.

Its natural to be upset after tonights outcome. To be so rational and lacking in emotion is kind of weird to me. Unless youre actually quite detached from the Irish team anyway which may be the case.