Jesus lads, this is fast becoming the most boring thread on the forum as everyone keeps repeating themselves (been keeping track for a while but this my first post on this thread). Think everyone knows at this stage where they stand on the issue (I'll keep my opinion to myself for fear of alienating one side or the other). can we keep it to actual news on Andy Reid at this stage?
Btw, this is also true of the Stephen Ireland thread.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...256898887.htmlOriginally Posted by FarBeag
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/r...ni-105161.html
Decide yourselves.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
Both stories based on Bruce’s OPINION with absolutely no support for his assumption that Trappatoni may be waiting on an apology. You may as well have Emmet7 say that Trap is waiting on an apology, not based on any facts.
And, if it is the case that Trapaptoni is leaving this obviously talented asset out of the team because of this petty reason then it is a disgrace. It would also be a disgrace as it suggests that Trap has being lying all this time about his reasons for Andy’s expulsion.
So:
EITHER TRAP IS LYING OR HE HAS EXPELLED ANDY FOR PETTY REASONS, WHICH IS IT?
Last edited by Scram; 09/11/2009 at 11:51 AM.
Emmet,
I agree with a lot of what you say, but not all of it.
With regards, to Spurs' first goal.
Reid, could have made a better choice and tracked Robbie closer, rather than running across the goal towards the ball (to say he ran out from goal would be an exaggeration). Pinning the blame entirely on him would completely absolve the Central defender, who was equally as close to Robbie, not marking anyone else and certainly a player whose primary objective would be to mark/track the oppositions central forward? Both players (and more I think) raised the arm in a feeble attempt to play offside.
In summary, Reid could have done better but cannot be blamed entirely for the goal.
Secondly, over many of your posts you have stated the 'A Reid does not fit the system' argument and I tend to agree. However, you then cant go and rip Reid a new ar$ehole because of his inadequate defensive duties when you nor I know what Bruce has asked him to do in that regard. No doubt Reid is playing in a more attacking role from what I have seen in the 'Sunderland System', perhaps defending is not what Bruce wants him doing? Different team, different tactics.
Reid should be in the Squad based on ability and performances this season.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Reid was in the squad but not playing before the supposed bust up, and Reid was in the squad but not playing after the so called bust up.
When will it occur to people that Reid is just not Trap's type of player. If manager's cannot pick their own type of players, then they might as well leave the picking of the team to the sportswriter of some newspaper or other who never managed but thinks they know better.
To sum it up in a few words, Trap is not picking Reid for tactical reasons. Whether those tactical reasons are the setup of his team or the discipline of the team, they are still tactical reasons.
Trap has brought immense discipline to this squad of players. And yet people think he should bend the rules for certain players who aren't willing to give respect. If one player is allowed break the rules, then every player will want to break the rules. You have to lay down the law somewhere, and anyone who thinks that's petty is an idiot.
Reid is just not Trap's kind of player, end of. We had Reid in the team for 4 years up to 2008, probably the worst four years performance wise in the history of the Irish team, with Reid pulling the strings in the middle of the park. That is not my opinion by the way, the facts and stats clearly show while Reid was playing for Ireland, we were crap and failed to get near qualification.
The Andy Reid story is just a manufactured controversy by sports writers who have no other stick to beat Trap with. It's a nothing story.
Last edited by Emmet7; 09/11/2009 at 9:39 AM.
yes. duff and mcgeady are both very good at tracking back. reid isnt
he will swim the irish sea, but he wont apologise? wtf?
Sure he doesn't have to mean it. I dont get this, for someone who says he really wants to play for your country.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
You're right, there shouldn't be argument - because there isn't one. It's a no-brainer.
Time after time throughout this campaign, we've been over-run in midfield because of our inability to retain possession.
Whether that's been Whelan/Gibson v Cyprus (h) or Whelan/Andrews v Georgia, Bulgaria and Italy (all h), we've lacked quality where it matters.
Now we come up against one of Europe's best midfields and we're without one of the best passers we've produced in the last ten years. Even on the bench.
Forget system/tactics etc for now. They will only matter in the post-mortem on Thursday week.
It has to be a personal grudge by Trap. As pointed out by someone, A Reid didn't feature under Trap until 'Guitargate' but could that have something to do with him not going on the Portugal training camp a few months earlier?
In slating Kiely for walking out in May, Trap let his guard drop and admitted not being impressed with players missing that camp (Carsley, Joey O'Brien etc).
Steven Reid, too, had to speaks cheek to speak out when his career was written off by Trap - despite the pair even having a conversation in months!
He was a notable absentee from this week's squad. Yet, he was fitter the week of the squad selection than he was when named in the squad for the Italy/Montenegro game.
Is there a pattern emerging with Trap's omissions? I think so.
As he knows well, he'll have to live or die in this job by his decisions.
Dominated in midfield by who? I watched the Italian game in Dublin on TV. In the first half I remember thinking how much more dominant we were. A stat came up saying the Italians had much more possession and immediately George Hamilton had the same reaction as me, that someone had made a mistake with the stats, it should be Ireland with the more possession, and his co-commentator, Jim Beglin, agreed.
If we won the game 5-0 and Italy dominated in midfield, what then? The glass half empty people would be in dispair and demand Andy Reid be brought back despite his hopeless tracking back, defending and tackling. That is the real no-brainer.
Both Italian results were fantastic results. We did not draw with the Italians because of an inability to retain possession. It's one thing for armchair generals to say it's easy to retain possession. Does anyone seriously think Andy Reid is in the same league as Pirlo in the centre of the park. If he is crap at defending against Premier League sides, imagine how much worse he would be trying to defend against Pirlo.
Remember Pirlo was subbed in Bari because he didn't get a sniff from the excellant Andrews and Whelan that night.
Our goals against Bulgaria were defensive mistakes.
It's a myth that Andy Reid would do better than what we have. And it's highly likely on the evidence of his weekend display that he would leave gaps in the middle of the park which good teams would exploit.
Reid was not a favoured player of Trap before the bust up and still wasn't after. All that happened was a troublesome fringe player to Trap's plans who has a habit of ill-discipline was left at home for future games.
Funny isn't it, we achieved our best results, after Reid's ommission from the squad.
This is getting to be a joke now. Reid is not good enough for central midfield, it was clear at the weekend. He has good passing ability, but defensively he's Sunday League standard. We'd be wiped out against the French if Reid was playing central midfield. We'd easily concede 2, 3, 4 even 5 goals in Croker if he was in there, no doubt about it.
That would be the tie over.
Last edited by Emmet7; 09/11/2009 at 10:33 AM.
All that happened was a troublesome fringe player to Trap's plans who has a habit of ill-discipline was left at home for future games.
Love it
As (the troublemaker!) Reid said recently, all the players bar two were in the hotel foyer at the sing-song when Trap went berserk at him. And only cos those two didn't know the words of the songs!
Ah right, so Reid was keeping them all back from going to bed by having an ould sing-song.All that happened was a troublesome fringe player to Trap's plans who has a habit of ill-discipline was left at home for future games.
Love it
As (the troublemaker!) Reid said recently, all the players bar two were in the hotel foyer at the sing-song when Trap went berserk at him. And only cos those two didn't know the words of the songs!
Ah sure that's great, sure why go to bed at all when preparing for big matches. Keep the team up all night drinking and singing, sure who needs preparation, in the middle of a qualifying campaign.
Rest and recuperation, who needs it.
Let all the players have beer bellies and be a couple stone overweight and stay up singing all night.
I know who had the best interests of the Irish team at heart that night and it wasn't Andy Reid.
as Fear Beag said, I think the words "pot", "kettle" and "black" are appropriate here.In addition, can you point out where I said I'd have him in the side? I said it was folly not to have him available.... To simplify, for your benefit, that means it could prove very detrimental not to have a player of his nature on the field / or on the bench to bring on if we needed someting to open up a defence
Yeh he'll open up the Irish defence alright to the French. That's after staying up all night beforehand singing songs and entertaining the players.
Let's resume this exchange next week Emmet.
Ireland won't have Andy Reid in the team or on the bench v France (missed opportunity on Trap's behalf to swallow his pride imho) so we'll have to see if that decision influences the outcome.
After all, Trap admits he's not God.
So we're backto Emmet's belief that if you havn't played to a certain standard your opinion is worthless. Ray Houghton played to a higher standard than Arsene Wenger...are we to believe that he knows more about the game than Wenger?
Going by your logic Emmet, I'd say 99% of us posting on the Ireland forum will have to stop and only air our comments on the Junior League / LSL /MSL forums..
What was so great about that team
Wonder if means the 82 team?What was so great about that team
Reid was quoted in Irish Times today saying he won't apologise and he has nothing to apologise for.
I'll post the link when I get time but I think it's a crucial comment.
The link has already been posted.
No apology link
Apparently that's Traps fault.
WHO has asked him for an apology? Other than Steve Bruce?! If Trap is awaiting an apology why doesn't he be forthright and say so?!
Absolute petty nonsense, maybe Ireland was right about Trap's ego. Total childishness if that is what is keeping Andy out of the squad and POOR management. You call the guy in sit him down and tell him where you are at, all behind closed doors, resolve and then get on with it.
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