QuoteStill a strange selection, one would usually go with Brazil 70!Originally Posted by Rafa B
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Doesn't seem to be working at the moment though. Can't seem to open article.
He should just apologies, but not mean it.....Like I did when I got the infraction over using curses in posts!!
Still a strange selection, one would usually go with Brazil 70!
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Doesn't seem to be working at the moment though. Can't seem to open article.
emmet, can you not understand that when people say that would like to see Andy Reid in the squad, that need not mean that they want him to start every game. They might want him to be on the bench if his kind of player is needed.
We know Andy Reid isn't as defensively minded as Whelan or Andrews, nobody is saying he is. He is a far more creative and attacking player. If the score is 1-0 to Ireland after the first leg, nobody will be looking for Reid to start in Paris, and as long as the score stays that way, nobody will be looking for him to come off the bench either.
But a situation might come about when a player with Andy Reid's qualities is what is neeed. I mentioned a scenario on a previous page, which SkStu has echoed, and the scenario is this -
We draw 0-0 in Dublin, but concede in Paris. 30 mins to go and we are 1 down. The French start to retreat and we time and territory up to about 40 yards out where the French defensive wall begins.
Now i don't think this is a crazy scenario, I'd imagine it is one of the more likely scenarios. Do you not think that in this kind of situation, Andy Reid would be a good player to bring off the bench? Who else would you bring on from the existing squad that you feel would be able to provide better deliveries?
Worked fine for me.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Emmet - Your valid points start to look stupid when you compare Reids defending on a par with Sunday League football - No matter if Trap has personal issues or not - its starting to look like you do.
Criticism of "ArmChair know it all's" prior to telling us your synopsis of the Italian game after watching it on TV also strikes of hypocrisy and no matter how many times a TV Pundit has agreed with you (is it 3 or 4 in this thread?) it wont mean that any of the posters here dont have a right to express their view without being dismissed so crassly.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Don't know why it's not working for me. The other articles are opening fine.
From todays Indo
Sunderland manager Steve Bruce recently suggested an apology from the Dubliner might be the only way to end the stalemate.
"The point that I've made to him (Bruce) is that I don't feel I've got anything to say sorry for, I don't feel that I did anything wrong," the footballer said yesterday
And yet Bruce told Reid to apologise. If I was Andy I would listen to Bruce. Something happened and if the manager (Trap)interprets it as an insult then Reid should apologise. Is it "me principles" over getting re-selected?
Is it not obvious by now that Andy has been left out of the squad for attitude/discipline reasons for something which happened at the pre Cyprus game training camp, something which had hung over from Mainz.
The Mainz thing was not enough on it's own to exclude Andy as it's patently obvious he was not excluded after the Mainz incident.
You cannot say seriously say that with a straight face!! All your valid points go out the window when you start saying stuff like that!
“I’d always play Pirlo but Trapatoni says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there" Gennaro Gattuso, June 2004.
Emmet, your preoccupation with Andy Reid is getting frightening at this stage. Do you really dislike the guy so much? You would think he ran away with your missus or was the cause of world recession!
At this moment in time Andy Reid should be in the Irish SQUAD. At least this is a start. After this its up to him to prove to Trap if he good enough to be in the team.
Last edited by FarBeag; 09/11/2009 at 1:32 PM.
[QUOTE=DeLorean;1268518]Still a strange selection, one would usually go with Brazil 70!
One wasn't around for 70Although 82 didn't win they did play a small bit of ball.
What an idiotic retort
Lets not forget Andy was given a chance and blew it, even feeling so sorry for himself at a time that he was contemplating international retirement. And yes his attitude has changed and he's expressed a willingness to work harder but I think it's wrong for us to expect Trap to be bending over backwards to usher him back into the side at the expense of other more disciplined squad members.
He's said Andy will get his chance after this campaign and so long as he sticks to that promise and Andy has learned from his mistakes I have no problem whatsoever with the current situation.
Never once did he consider retirement. In fact, he's gone completely the other way to say much playing for his country would mean to him.
Trap said Reid would get another chance in the campaign and that campaign is over. After his initial axing for the Cyprus game, Trap went so far to suggest he'd consider recalling Reid for the Poland friendly a month later and playing him off the main striker.
Nothing transpired from this bluster and I doubt he ever intended to.
He probably thought the question would go away with Andy in and out of Sunderland team but, instead, he's in the best form of his career and has given class 90 minute performances against, amongst others, Liverpool and Man U recently.
Maybe it's a culmination of things and we're all guilty of over-reactions to one individual component of said culmintation rather than the whole picture..
Maybe something minor did happen in Mainz but, as cited due to his presence in the squad for Montenegro and Cyprus, it wasn't bad enough to warrant exclusion.
Maybe Trapp believed his condition wasn't on a par with what he expects from a profesional Athlete and so excluded him. Not something it would be productive to admit to the media too.
Maybe there really is no one big incident to apologise for, hence Reid sincerely doesn't know what to apologies for.
Maybe Andy Reids current form, fitness and diplomacy would have earned him a recall under Trapp at any other stage of the qualification bar this stage.
I just think it's time managers, where possible, embraced the media a bit more and treated it like a medium to fans and possibly even players, instead of a necessary evil that comes with the job. It's the non commital contradictions that generate more column inches and message board guff than the act itself.
..... so in short it's still mostly Trapps fault.
Let's get this straight. Andy Reid was NOT axed for the Cyprus game. He was in the squad and on the bench, just as he had been in Mainz and Montenegro. It is quite clear and it has been said on here numerous times, Andy Reid is not being excluded for the Mainz incident. Why would Trap have called him up for the Cyprus game were he 'excluding' him? I agree Andy Reid has nothing to apologise for and neither does Trap. He is being excluded for footballing reasons because he is just not Trap's kind of player.
Agree that there is no apology being waited for by any “side”, but I can’t agree that Trap excluded him ONLY because “he does not suit his system”. That would be implausible given the other very much fringe 9at best!) players that he has included.
It could well be something as petty as Trap not liking Andy’s attitude when on the bench but not given a run out, and, Trap DEMANDING respect, which is not a good trait for a manager.
Andy Reid was NOT axed for the Cyprus game. He was in the squad and on the bench, just as he had been in Mainz and Montenegro.
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My apologies, you're right - it was the Poland game he was dropped for, the same game he earmarked Reid for a start in but then decided to drop him entirely from the squad.
Perhaps Andy didn't give the Trap apology he wanted the week of the Cyprus game but, then again, neither did any of the other 20 players (and Brady, according to Sunday Times) who were involved in the sing-song.
But I dont believe they further compounded the issue by arguing back and refusing to call it a night?
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
"No, I drink to help me mind my own business....can I get you one? (c) Ronnie Drew
Did he really refuse to 'call it a night'?
Sunday Indo article (Nov 23) below. Hardly conclusive?
He had allowed the team to relax with a few drinks, he said, and Reid, according to another source, began to play a guitar belonging to a member of the backroom team after being encouraged by [COLOR=#306294]Liam Brady[/COLOR].
But when a number of players remained in the bar past the 1.0am curfew, Trapattoni tried to get them to bed. As it got closer to 2.0am, Trapattoni acted.
Insisting his actions were not the result of animosity, Trapattoni said: "If he was my son, I would go boom! [he acts out kicking someone up the arse] But he is not my son. Do you understand? This is the first time I have clarified the situation, the ten players can say it is true or not true."
As it approached 2.0am, Trapattoni became more insistent that the players retire, pointing out they had to play [COLOR=#306294]Montenegro[/COLOR] on the Wednesday night.
"It is finished, it is two o'clock. We had a game in three days' time. The table was like a pub with all the beer on it."
Trapattoni says Reid was the last of the players to go to bed, a claim that conflicts with other accounts, but repeated that the incident had no bearing on his selection.
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