Liverpool

**Norm** · 20/10/2009, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

O'Niell,

Just a suggestion. He has done good work at Villa on limited resources.

I honestly think Rafa has done all he can with this Liverpool side. They need a change, their squad is far to weak to compete at the top end of the premiership. It might even be wise to get rid of Rafa now and find someone to steady the ship for the rest of the season, similar to what Chelsea done last season.

The big danger is losing Torres. Another season without a medal, which is realistically what this season will be, and Fernando will start to see greener grass. Who could blame him? he is 25 years old and probably the best striker in the world at the moment, he will not wait around forever.

Lose Torres and its curtains. Rafa has had 5 years to build a team and all he has is Torres & Gerrard. Every other player is easily replaced and I would go as far to say that they could be replaced by players currently playing outside of the top 4 in the Premiership.

**KK77** · 20/10/2009, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

Just a suggestion. He has done good work at Villa on limited resources.

I honestly think Rafa has done all he can with this Liverpool side. They need a change, their squad is far to weak to compete at the top end of the premiership. It might even be wise to get rid of Rafa now and find someone to steady the ship for the rest of the season, similar to what Chelsea done last season.

The big danger is losing Torres. Another season without a medal, which is realistically what this season will be, and Fernando will start to see greener grass. Who could blame him? he is 25 years old and probably the best striker in the world at the moment, he will not wait around forever.

Lose Torres and its curtains. Rafa has had 5 years to build a team and all he has is Torres & Gerrard. Every other player is easily replaced and I would go as far to say that they could be replaced by players currently playing outside of the top 4 in the Premiership.

Fair play mate some good points there. Nice and constructive instead of trying to get sly digs in with name calling etc. Very good point on Torres am worried myself. Just think it would be crazy to get of Rafa now. I'd prefer to see the season out as nothing is won or lost in October. As regards O'Neill i think you will find he has spent a serious amount at Villa during his time.

reder · 20/10/2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

There are numerous options out there for replacements i.e. O'Niell, Mourihno. The right offer could tempt any of them. The team that lined out against Sunderland on Sat was a joke considering that money that has been made available to him.

MON is progressing Villa as a club. He is no fool and there is no way on earth that he is going to leave Villa, a club on the up, with a solid owner behind him in Lerner for the circus that is LFC as of late. The 11 individuals on Saturday fielded for LFC had the ability to beat that Sunderland team. The resulting performance was the issue.

**Roo69** · 20/10/2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Pot, Kettle & Black!!!!

Disgraceful - have a read for yourself your a big boy now.

Becoming boring now being honest lets leave it alone.

Good lad, absolutely 100% what i expected you to respond with. Big man hiding behind your very creative name calling having sly liitle digs trying to insult me - says it all about you really.

It's a shame you can't have a proper conversation anytime i have anything to say about Liverpool or Bray for that fact. I gave you reasons and names yet you have no come back but insulting.

And what is it you call Sir Alex Ferguson ? remind me....

**KK77** · 20/10/2009, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Roo69

Good lad, absolutely 100% what i expected you to respond with. Big man hiding behind your very creative name calling having sly liitle digs trying to insult me - says it all about you really.

It's a shame you can't have a proper conversation anytime i have anything to say about Liverpool or Bray for that fact. I gave you reasons and names yet you have no come back but insulting.

And what is it you call Sir Alex Ferguson ? remind me....

Would you ever go and get lost following me around the site. So it's alright for you to insult people and get digs in but not others. Best to leave it now.

**KK77** · 20/10/2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by reder

The 11 individuals on Saturday fielded for LFC had the ability to beat that Sunderland team. The resulting performance was the issue.

Agree with you to a certain extent reder. Do you not think Jay Spearing was hung out to dry? I felt he should have been playing alongside an experienced player like Mascherano and he would have got on a lot better. He seemed nervous to me. But at the same time only one way to get experience. Also while we all try to give players a chance and time i feel Babels time is surely up. For �11 million and now in his third season surely we could have expected more? On a positive side good to see Agger back. Third game in two weeks maybe he's not made of glass

reder · 20/10/2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Agree with you to a certain extent reder. Do you not think Jay Spearing was hung out to dry? I felt he should have been playing alongside an experienced player like Mascherano and he would have got on a lot better. He seemed nervous to me. But at the same time only one way to get experience. Also while we all try to give players a chance and time i feel Babels time is surely up. For �11 million and now in his third season surely we could have expected more? On a positive side good to see Agger back. Third game in two weeks maybe he's not made of glass

I totally agree with you on Spearing. Even when we are playing well, any trip to the North East is always tough. I was amazed with the midfield partnership on Saturday and Lucas is the last player I would have liked to see Spearing play with in his first major PL game. Rafa should be playing him against the likes of Hull at home who couldnt beat their way out of a wet paper bag. If he played in a fixture like that, he would gain experience and grow in confidence. Cattermole gave him an awful time on Saturday. Lucas was never going to stand up to Cattermole, we all know that, so it was left to Jay. I have a horrible feeling that Rafa will now say that he has given Jay his chance and he hasnt taken it, if you know what I mean.

Babel just winds me up so much. A player with obvious natural talent who just wont/cant apply himself. I can see him leaving at Xmas, if any decent bid comes in. The decent bid is the issue because only a fool would pay anything near �11.5m for him. He isnt even worth half that in my opinion. His contract is up in 2012 also.

Looking at the first 11 as a whole they should have still got something from that game. There were enough experienced players there. They didnt even try. It was a replica of Boro away last season. I have no problem with a team not winning, its the not trying that I cant accept.

**Roo69** · 20/10/2009, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Would you ever go and get lost following me around the site. So it's alright for you to insult people and get digs in but not others. Best to leave it now.

Not at all ! I'm replying to posts on a public forum, which i believe is the idea of this site, if you don't like what i have to say then don't reply to me, simple as that. Block me even so you don't see my posts, otherwise deal with them.

A lot of people on here would name "pet" names for players and manager - you call Sir Alex Ferguson - Whiskey Nose, i call Rafa Benetiz - The Fat Spanish Waiter but there is just no need to personally call eachother names, rather childish and no need for it. As i've said, if you don't like what i have to say about Liverpool, Bray, Ireland or what ever it may be on here then just dont reply to it.

**KK77** · 20/10/2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Roo69

Not at all ! I'm replying to posts on a public forum, which i believe is the idea of this site, if you don't like what i have to say then don't reply to me, simple as that. Block me even so you don't see my posts, otherwise deal with them.

A lot of people on here would name "pet" names for players and manager - you call Sir Alex Ferguson - Whiskey Nose, i call Rafa Benetiz - The Fat Spanish Waiter but there is just no need to personally call eachother names, rather childish and no need for it. As i've said, if you don't like what i have to say about Liverpool, Bray, Ireland or what ever it may be on here then just dont reply to it.

Ok lets just leave it as i said before. Agree childish.

**Norm** · 20/10/2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by reder

MON is progressing Villa as a club. He is no fool and there is no way on earth that he is going to leave Villa, a club on the up, with a solid owner behind him in Lerner for the circus that is LFC as of late. The 11 individuals on Saturday fielded for LFC had the ability to beat that Sunderland team. The resulting performance was the issue.

Fair enough.

Maybe the 11 individuals that lined out for LFC had the ability to beat Sunderland, but this is indicitave of how far they have fallen. Without their big two players LFC are a very very ordinary side with players "capable of beating Sunderland". There are far tougher challenges this season for LFC, aspirations for league and european success, their reliance on two players to overcome these challenges is their achilles heel.

I think that there are alot of better balanced teams in the premiership at the moment and on current form Sunderland are one of them. Spurs, Villa & Arsenal are streets ahead of LFC and this is as a direct result of proper management and clever purchases.

**KK77** · 20/10/2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by reder

I totally agree with you on Spearing. Even when we are playing well, any trip to the North East is always tough. I was amazed with the midfield partnership on Saturday and Lucas is the last player I would have liked to see Spearing play with in his first major PL game. Rafa should be playing him against the likes of Hull at home who couldnt beat their way out of a wet paper bag. If he played in a fixture like that, he would gain experience and grow in confidence. Cattermole gave him an awful time on Saturday. Lucas was never going to stand up to Cattermole, we all know that, so it was left to Jay. I have a horrible feeling that Rafa will now say that he has given Jay his chance and he hasnt taken it, if you know what I mean.

Babel just winds me up so much. A player with obvious natural talent who just wont/cant apply himself. I can see him leaving at Xmas, if any decent bid comes in. The decent bid is the issue because only a fool would pay anything near �11.5m for him. He isnt even worth half that in my opinion. His contract is up in 2012 also.

Looking at the first 11 as a whole they should have still got something from that game. There were enough experienced players there. They didnt even try. It was a replica of Boro away last season. I have no problem with a team not winning, its the not trying that I cant accept.

Crazy thing is Spearing was on the bench against Burnley and possibly Hull though not 100% on that. Remember thinking at 2-0 against Burnley bring him on.

As regards Babel your right just doesn't seem to want to make an effort. The way he carrys himself it's like it's an effort. He has pace, strength, decent shot, good leap in the air. A parting of the ways is inevitable. A wasted talent.

Boro away last season your giving me nightmares now! Worst away trip of the season FACT

reder · 20/10/2009, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Rafa B

Boro away last season your giving me nightmares now! Worst away trip of the season FACT

I did go to Bolton last season before my retirement and that is always a depressing experience no matter what the result is.

However, the derby at Goodison in 2006 will forever be the worst for me.

**Play_On** · 20/10/2009, 8:47 PM

thats it benitez has to go the club is falling apart he is a disgrace

**Roadend** · 22/10/2009, 8:12 AM

Originally Posted by Play_On

thats it benitez has to go the club is falling apart he is a disgrace

Have you considered following a sport where you understand what's going on? Maybe Bowls would be more your cup of tea.

reder · 22/10/2009, 9:57 AM

Originally Posted by Roadend

Have you considered following a sport where you understand what's going on?

Can you elaborate?

**Roadend** · 22/10/2009, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by reder

Can you elaborate?

Not really, there's any number of reasons why play_on felt the need to make such a ridiculous comment. I don't know how his mind works, but based on that comment I'd imagine his time would be better invested in supporting something else.

**Norm** · 22/10/2009, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by Roadend

Not really, there's any number of reasons why play_on felt the need to make such a ridiculous comment. I don't know how his mind works, but based on that comment I'd imagine his time would be better invested in supporting something else.

To be fair the whole scenario is a circus. I agree with Play_on. I firmly believe Rafa has been afforded adequate time and money to build a team and he is no closer to a league title then he was 5 years ago. He has two players, one inhereted, the rest wouldn't get a look in at Arsenal, Man Utd or Chelsea.
Veronin & Eggnog still getting game time whilst castasides Keane & Crouch score regularly for club and country.

If it wasn't true it would be funny.

**jebus** · 22/10/2009, 2:42 PM

5 mistakes Rafa has made in the past few seasons

1. Airing Liverpool's dirty laundry in public. Turns the club into a bit of a joke tbf
2. Hounding out Alonso for Barry, who he didn't even manage to sign
3. Selling Robbie Keane after 5 months at the club when their main striker is injury prone
4. Shelling out 37m this summer on one injury prone Italian who isn't worth 20m anyway and 17m on a right back who can't defend when the squad needed that money spent on about 5 good players to re-enforce it
5. Just his level of hits to misses in the transfer market is ridiculous. Liverpool have spent the money, just not wisely

Personally I think Liverpool need a change of direction, this season they look like they did in Houllier' s last season in charge, that said top quality coaches are hard to come by these days