Soccer International vs Rugby International

[geysir]

Why was a deal necessary and what parties was it made with ? Who in Gods name chose to use the "Rose of Tralee" and how would that justify a need for Irelands call? I'm sure our unionist supporters could come uo with a better song to represent the six counties which could be played instead of the Coulter abomination.

At that last game in Ravenhill in the mid 50´s there was players revolt.
The players just heard before the game that GSTQ would be played, some players/ quite a few players refused point blank to come out and line up to stand to attention, they were packing their bags to leave. There was big stand off in the dressing room, which would have had a Cork hurler in an excited orgasmic frenzy.
Some royal figure was in attendance. The Ulster rugby suits were frantic at the embarrasment factor.
A compromise was reached, GSTQ would be played, the players involved in the stand off could come out to the pitch afterwards, line up to be greeted by the Royal and never edver again would the players be put in that situation again.
That was the agreement which got the players out of the dressing room and playing.

The last Ravenhill situation against Italy was farcical, there is no way many of the Southern players would have stood for GSTQ. Instead of getting real, Ulster get offended. Thick as bricks.
The Rugby teams represents one federation over 1 and 1/2 states. It does not just represent the Republic with the Ulster lads allowed a day out. This is the IRFU team and the 9 county Ulster branch is an integral part. The IRFU should just ditch the playing of AnbF. Irelands Call is good enough for them. Or how about that song
There is an Isle

that would get the hipflasks out and raised

I went to a load of the rugby games when I was in secondary school and as long as I was not too tall to climb over the stiles in a nano second..
I really enjoyed them. But as mentioned before, the same degree of desperation not to get beaten (by England) wasn't present.

[backstothewall]

Can we try keep nonsense such as this out of what's a fairly reasonable debate?

Sorry,

i tend to use "northern Ireland", "O6C" and "the north" interchangably, and I don't correct people on what they use because i find it objectionable being told what i can and can't say myself. I don't think thats much to ask.

If we are allowed to go down the road of petty correcting of what each other say this thread is likely to go the way of every other one that even touches on these kind of subjects.

[Gather round]

The last Ravenhill situation against Italy was farcical, there is no way many of the Southern players would have stood for GSTQ. Instead of getting real, Ulster get offended. Thick as bricks

Did they say so in a press conference, or just whisper it to you down the pub?

The IRFU should just ditch the playing of AnbF. Irelands Call is good enough for them

Good call. Apart from the Ireland's call bit, maybe.

I don't correct people on what they use because i find it objectionable being told what i can and can't say myself. I don't think thats much to ask

Ask away. The thing is, it just looks like a wind up. So you don't really object, do you? You're deliberately looking for a rise.

i tend to use "northern Ireland", "O6C" and "the north" interchangably

You throw 'occupied six counties' interchangeably into conversation with your unionist mates in the pub or at Ravenhill? Or at work?

[geysir]

Did they say so in a press conference, or just whisper it to you down the pub?

You would have heard it out loud, at least from the Munster contingent if they had been requested to stand for GSTQ as the anthem.
They wouldn't have been standing in line looking down at their boots

The IRFU are not that thick to vote for a revisit to the revolt of 1955 and just before a World Cup.

[Cowboy]

The IRFU should just ditch the playing of AnbF. Irelands Call is good enough for them. Or how about that song
There is an Isle
that would get the hipflasks out and raised

Thanks for the info, most interesting. I would agree to ditching AnbF if they also ditched ICall. Never heard "There is an Isle" before now, its certainly a rouser I wonder if all could agree on it as a battle hymn before a game. I dont understand how Unionist players would want the same anthem before a game that England uses?

[pineapple stu]

Sorry,

i tend to use "northern Ireland", "O6C" and "the north" interchangably, and I don't correct people on what they use because i find it objectionable being told what i can and can't say myself. I don't think thats much to ask.

If we are allowed to go down the road of petty correcting of what each other say this thread is likely to go the way of every other one that even touches on these kind of subjects.

The post I was highlighting was the "Get a life" one. There's better ways of making a point, even if you feel you're right.

[gspain]

At that last game in Ravenhill in the mid 50´s there was players revolt.
The players just heard before the game that GSTQ would be played, some players/ quite a few players refused point blank to come out and line up to stand to attention, they were packing their bags to leave. There was big stand off in the dressing room, which would have had a Cork hurler in an excited orgasmic frenzy.
Some royal figure was in attendance. The Ulster rugby suits were frantic at the embarrasment factor.
A compromise was reached, GSTQ would be played, the players involved in the stand off could come out to the pitch afterwards, line up to be greeted by the Royal and never edver again would the players be put in that situation again.
That was the agreement which got the players out of the dressing room and playing.

The last Ravenhill situation against Italy was farcical, there is no way many of the Southern players would have stood for GSTQ. Instead of getting real, Ulster get offended. Thick as bricks.
The Rugby teams represents one federation over 1 and 1/2 states. It does not just represent the Republic with the Ulster lads allowed a day out. This is the IRFU team and the 9 county Ulster branch is an integral part. The IRFU should just ditch the playing of AnbF. Irelands Call is good enough for them. Or how about that song
There is an Isle

that would get the hipflasks out and raised

I went to a load of the rugby games when I was in secondary school and as long as I was not too tall to climb over the stiles in a nano second..
I really enjoyed them. But as mentioned before, the same degree of desperation not to get beaten (by England) wasn't present.

It was 1954 v Scotland. Ravenhill was already considered too small for International rugby and part of the deal was that they would never play there again.

I heard on good authority and posted on a forum circa Feb 2007 that in return for agreeing not to play GSTQ at Ravenhill that the Ulster branch would get all the tickets for the Italy game. They did subsequently get all the tickets.

[Cowboy]

I heard on good authority and posted on a forum circa Feb 2007 that in return for agreeing not to play GSTQ at Ravenhill that the Ulster branch would get all the tickets for the Italy game. They did subsequently get all the tickets.

So it was a rouse (sic?) just to get all the tickets ?

[geysir]

It was 1954 v Scotland. Ravenhill was already considered too small for International rugby and part of the deal was that they would never play there again.

The dozen or so players were promised that they would never have to play an international again in Ravenhill as part of the deal to get them out onto the pitch.
Whatever was added onto the list of reasons for not playing there is incidental/financial.

I heard on good authority and posted on a forum circa Feb 2007 that in return for agreeing not to play GSTQ at Ravenhill that the Ulster branch would get all the tickets for the Italy game. They did subsequently get all the tickets.

Tickets meant money.
The UB gaze was diverted from raising a mini whine fest over the anthem by the lure of the greenbacks.

[gspain]

The dozen or so players were promised that they would never have to play an international again in Ravenhill as part of the deal to get them out onto the pitch.
Whatever was added onto the list of reasons for not playing there is incidental/financial.

Tickets meant money.
The UB gaze was diverted from raising a mini whine fest over the anthem by the lure of the greenbacks.

I certainly recall reading that a decision had been taken anyway that the Scotland game was to be the last in Ravenhill. It was promised to the players too as you say.

I believe JC Daly of Dolphin who scored the winning try at Ravenhill to clinch Ireland's last Grand Slam also remained in the dressingroom prior to the game v Wales. All the others lined up for the anthems. He also was fired from his job the following week because he didn't show up for work on Monday morning due to the excesses of the celebrations. A former colleague of mine survived a similiar fate 40 years later when they missed an important business meeting in Utrecht on June 13th 1988 due to still being drunk in Stuttgart.

[jbyrne]

A former colleague of mine survived a similiar fate 40 years later when they missed an important business meeting in Utrecht on June 13th 1988 due to still being drunk in Stuttgart.

had we beaten spain in suwon i would also have suffered the same fate! no way i was missing a 1/4 final v the hosts but was already on extended leave!

[backstothewall]

You throw 'occupied six counties' interchangeably into conversation with your unionist mates in the pub or at Ravenhill? Or at work?

Yes as a matter of fact. I do. Especially in the pub. We're easy going people and we like each other too much to be offended over things that aren't terribly important. You should give it a go

The post I was highlighting was the "Get a life" one. There's better ways of making a point, even if you feel you're right.

I appreciate that. I was responding to being told that the phrase "occupied 6 counties" is offensive, and couldn't be annoying getting into a debate on nothing, but you are completely right.

[pineapple stu]

I was responding to being told that the phrase "occupied 6 counties" is offensive,

In fairness, it's hardly the most PC of terms. I agree with your political viewpoint, but I can also see how the term could be a bit touchy.

But anyways. Moving on.