Boylesports Sponsorship

[Dodge]

Now run along and think of another name....

Get a grip ealing. have you now humour in you at all

[galwayhoop]

Read this:
"The IFA Premiership - formerly the Irish Premier League and before that the Irish Football League - and still known in popular parlance simply as the Irish League, is the national football league in Northern Ireland, and has historically been the league for the whole of Ireland. It should not be confused with the FAI League of Ireland, which is the league for the Republic of Ireland. At the end of the season, the champion club is presented with the Gibson Cup.
The Premiership is sponsored by JJB Sports and is marketed as the JJB Sports Premiership."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_League

Now run along and think of another name....

my God!!! you 6 county boys really are passionate about holding onto stuff aren't ye..............

[EalingGreen]

Get a grip ealing. have you now humour in you at all

Er, did I miss the humour when galwayhoop posted the following:
"Did I say to call it the irish League??? Or did I say to rebrand competitions different names, in order to recognise sponsors etc, as in "The Boylesports Irish Premier League". There is no conflict there as the BIPL or BSIPL would just be a seperately named competition within the LoI. There would be no conflict with the Irish League of which the JJB Premiership is a part of."
Seemed like a perfectly serious (if misplaced) suggestion by gh to me...

Or what would you say if I suggested calling the IFA's new League the "JJB League of Ireland" (or "JJB Premier League of Ireland")?

It seems to me that there are a few posters on this Board who show little or no respect for their neighbour's footballing history and heritage, in a way which is not replicated in the other direction.

[EalingGreen]

my God!!! you 6 county boys really are passionate about holding onto stuff aren't ye..............

Well, if we didn't have quite such "acquisitive" or disrespectful* neighbours, we could maybe be a bit more relaxed about these things.

* - "Disrespectful" as in "six counties", perhaps?

[Lionel Ritchie]

I reckon Liga babyfood should sponsor the League of Ireland.

...thought they already sponsored the Spanish league?

[WoodquayBoy]

You know what I have always called it, irrespective of sponsor? The League, simple as that.
I know, I know, havr to brand it for non-believers, but I always called it The League, and will continue to do so, wheter it is eircom, Bord Gais or Pat Grace sponsoring the bloody thing

[boovidge]

* - "Disrespectful" as in "six counties", perhaps?

How is "6 counties" disrespectful? I hear the ROI being referred to the 26 counties all the time

[eelmonster]

Well, if we didn't have quite such "acquisitive" or disrespectful* neighbours, we could maybe be a bit more relaxed about these things.

* - "Disrespectful" as in "six counties", perhaps?

The faux-outrage. 'Beggar' is alright, yeah? Mopey hypocrite.

[Candystripe]

"Boyle sports Irish premier league" has a decent ring to it!

[EalingGreen]

How is "6 counties" disrespectful? I hear the ROI being referred to the 26 counties all the time

Duh! Referring to the "26 counties" is just the other side of the same (disrespectful) coin.

The correct name is "Northern Ireland" (both area and football team), with "NI" being a lot quicker to type than the various other titles we are often accorded.

[EalingGreen]

The faux-outrage. 'Beggar' is alright, yeah? Mopey hypocrite.

Hardly outrage (faux or vrai), more irritation, actually.

As for "Beggar", there is a world of difference between engaging in banter with a rival set of fans in a footballing context, and disrespecting them personally in a social setting.

For example, when NI played in Scotland last week, I happily joined in the chants ("Small part of England" etc) aimed in their direction and they reciprocated equally keenly.

But before and after in the pub and on the trains etc, we were each careful not to say anything which would bring down the atmosphere and possibly cause offence, so that everyone had a great time in each others company.

Which is why you can slag off me, our players, team, manager, fans etc, but I'd rather you showed a wee bit of respect for our country, history, property etc.

[EalingGreen]

"Boyle sports Irish premier league" has a decent ring to it!

I know youse Derry Wans are just dying to get back into the real "Irish Premier League", but sorry, that's not the way to go about it!

"Irish League" and "Irish Premier League" both belong to the Irish Football Association and they're aren't up for sale.

[eelmonster]

Which is why you can slag off me, our players, team, manager, fans etc, but I'd rather you showed a wee bit of respect for our country, history, property etc.

That's quite absurd, I don't believe I've disrespected NI's history, property or etc once. Though I agree, such respect should be afforded, which is why I fail to understand why you and a section of your supporters continue to employ the term 'beggars' to describe our slightly larger country. I'm sure it's of little consequence that you're insulting - knowingly or unknowingly (however, as you're clearly a well-read chap, you'll know of the Punch origins of its usage) - the entire Catholic population of Northern Ireland. But, sure, it's just harmless banter, so it is.

[the-blue-harp]

a football match is a social setting. regardless of where you take your bigotry its unwanted.

[galwayhoop]

"Irish League" and "Irish Premier League" both belong to the Irish Football Association and they're aren't up for sale.

are you sure about that?*

i agree 100% about "Irish League" and that is old ground. Incidently it irks me when teams like St. Patricks, Shamrock and Drog-e-da are refered to as the Irish League on Sky and Setanta Sports News.

However, I don't know about owning the rights to a competition called the Irish Premier League. Your own premier competition is called the Premiership and the English don't have a monopoly on that.

As yours is The Irish League JJB Premiership aka "The JJB Premiership" then there is no legal impediment to ours hypothetically being called the League of Ireland Boylesports Irish Premier League aka "The Boylesports Irish Premier League".

Just because your league is called the Irish League that does not give you a monopoly over using the name Irish. Similarly our league title does not give us the exclusive rights to use the name Ireland. Although the island is subject to partition we both can equally claim right to being Irish and from Ireland.

However your association is not adverse to getting all wrapped up in legal battles so probably wouldn't be plain sailing - still it's a swanky name if I don't mind saying so myself.

* please refrain from quoting Wiki to back up arguements

[EalingGreen]

That's quite absurd, I don't believe I've disrespected NI's history, property or etc once. Though I agree, such respect should be afforded, which is why I fail to understand why you and a section of your supporters continue to employ the term 'beggars' to describe our slightly larger country. I'm sure it's of little consequence that you're insulting - knowingly or unknowingly (however, as you're clearly a well-read chap, you'll know of the Punch origins of its usage) - the entire Catholic population of Northern Ireland. But, sure, it's just harmless banter, so it is.

I like to think I'm reasonably well educated and literate, but I haven't got the faintest idea what you're referring to (in bold). Then again, I've never even read "Punch", even in the Doctor's Waiting Room (In fact, does it even exist?)

Afaik, the term "Beggars" was applied to the ROI team at (or maybe soon after?) Big Jack's time in charge, when by exploiting the Granny Rule to the full, the ROI was "begging" players from all over to play for them. (You know, "Beg, Steal or Borrow"?, that sort of thing)

As it happens, I have a good mate who's Catholic, member of the same NI Supporters club as me and who I go to matches with. I'm sure I've heard him use the term "Beggar", but even if he hasn't, he never turns a hair when people use it in his company, or on websites etc.

So if you're implying that this derives from some gratuitously insulting Punch article some time back, then you're way off the mark. Just like e.g. those idiots who castigate the IFA for playing at a stadium named after the Royal Family, when the Royal Family didn't change their name to Windsor until 1917 - 12 years after Windsor Park was opened...

Bizarre.


P.S. Any idea which ROI fan used the term "Beggars" on this site a wee while back? I'll give you a clue:

Forum: Ireland 08/11/2007, 1:16 AM
Eligibility proposal
Posted By eelmonster
Vote early, vote often - beggars of the world...

Vote early, vote often - beggars of the world unite:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/default.stm

Ring any bells, EM?

[EalingGreen]

a football match is a social setting. regardless of where you take your bigotry its unwanted.

I agree bigotry is unacceptable in any setting.
But someone shouting "Bigot" any time they're upset by a comment doesn't automatically make that comment bigoted.

[EalingGreen]

are you sure about that?*
However, I don't know about owning the rights to a competition called the Irish Premier League. Your own premier competition is called the Premiership and the English don't have a monopoly on that.

As yours is The Irish League JJB Premiership aka "The JJB Premiership" then there is no legal impediment to ours hypothetically being called the League of Ireland Boylesports Irish Premier League aka "The Boylesports Irish Premier League".

Just because your league is called the Irish League that does not give you a monopoly over using the name Irish. Similarly our league title does not give us the exclusive rights to use the name Ireland. Although the island is subject to partition we both can equally claim right to being Irish and from Ireland.

However your association is not adverse to getting all wrapped up in legal battles so probably wouldn't be plain sailing - still it's a swanky name if I don't mind saying so myself.

* please refrain from quoting Wiki to back up arguements

An organisation doesn't lose the right to intellectual property just because they are not currently using it. It would be confusing, misleading and clearly open to challenge (as well as being downright cheeky) if the FAI were to attempt to appropriate the names "Irish League" or "Irish Premier League" for themselves.
Just like it would if the IFA were to seek to use the terms "League of Ireland" or "Premier League of Ireland" for their own purposes.
I'm sure this latter is not something which would ever occur to anyone in the IFA or NI, so why does anyone in the FAI or ROI consider they can get away with the former?
It's a simple matter of mutual respect.

P.S. Unless it is breaking some forum rule , I'll quote from Wiki if I consider it credibly backs up my case, thanks very much.

P.P.S. How did you know I was quoting from Wiki btw? Might it not be because you were also using it, too?

P.P.P.S. At least they know how to spell "argument" on Wikipedia

[ifk101]

What are you hoping to achieve EG? This thread isn't about the Irish League - it's obvious to me (and it should be to you) that whoever the new sponsor is that they will dictate the naming of the league to maximise their brand name. Unless the words "Ireland" or "Irish" is included in their brand name, every sponsor would seek the naming of the league to fully highlight and exploit their brand name - as in "the Eircom League", "the Eircom Premier Division" and "the Eircom First Division". Unless "Ireland" or "Irish" is part of their brand name, why would any sponsor seek to include extra text in the naming of the league?

As for you persistant quoting of wikipedia and google search results, maybe you could quote the opening sentence of the paragraph(s) you wish to highlight and add a link for the rest. It makes it easier for the reader to skim the waffle that way.

[EalingGreen]

What are you hoping to achieve EG?

Following the acquisition of a new sponsor, posters have been speculating on what name the new League might have. A couple or three have suggested names which are imo inappropriate, since they presume the right to use another organisation's titles, in a way which is misleading, confusing and disrespectful (as well as legally questionable).
That is the point I am seeking to make ("achieve")

As for you persistant quoting of wikipedia and google search results, maybe you could quote the opening sentence of the paragraph(s) you wish to highlight and add a link for the rest. It makes it easier for the reader to skim the waffle that way.

In this entire thread, I have resorted to Wiki twice (#34 and #69), citing the complete source exactly as you suggest in #69.
In both cases, my contribution/excerpt was a mere 4 lines long.
I have only used Google to navigate quickly to other reference sites (e.g. www.fai.ie or www.irishfa.com)

Please tell me where in this thread you think I have been "persistantly" [sic] quoting wiki or google. Or in which posts I have quoted more than a paragraph, or required readers to "skim waffle" etc.