Has it been announced?
http://www.pnefc.net/page/NewsDetail...763856,00.html
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Has it been announced?
http://www.pnefc.net/page/NewsDetail...763856,00.html
All will be revealed at a press conference at the Clarion Hotel near Dublin Airport at 5pm on Friday afternoon.
PNE Duo Retain Places
No changes whatsoever unfortunately. Same squad for both games Cyprus and South Africa. Surely McCann, Fahey or Ward should have been called into the squad for at least the South Africa game. Miller we've dicussed before but I'm also not sure how Nolan keeps his place in the squad when he can't even get a game for Preston thus far this season. He's played no football this season and can't be match fit. Ward must be livid. At least the injured lads (Doyle and Foley) are likely to feature for their clubs when they recover.
Shay Given Manchester City
Keiren Westwood Coventry City
Joe Murphy Scunthorpe United
John O'Shea Manchester United
Kevin Foley Wolves
Richard Dunne Manchester City
Stephen Kelly Fulham
Kevin Kilbane Hull City
Eddie Nolan Preston North End
Sean St. Ledger Preston North End
Aiden McGeady Celtic
Damien Duff Fulham
Darron Gibson Manchester United
Glenn Whelan Stoke City
Keith Andrews Blackburn Rovers
Liam Miller Unattached
Stephen Hunt Hull City
Andy Keogh Wolves
Liam Lawrence Stoke City
Caleb Folan Hull City
Kevin Doyle Wolves
Robbie Keane Tottenham Hotspur
Shane Long Reading
Leon Best Coventry City
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...tid=1&Itemid=8
its embarrassing that Miller is still in that squad. Theres loyalty and theres blind stupidity.
Remember how we used to give out about Mick McCarthy and is loyalty to certain players, but at least those guys had clubs!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
It's the only issue I have with Trap. There's no doubt his tactics work and he's got the best out of a very limited set of players thus far but his stubborness regarding bringing the odd new players into the squad sometimes is as ludicrous as when Staunton at the other end of the scale was throwing heaps of untried youth players directly into the team at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
And before anyone pulls me up on this I have to say that I don't trust his judgement in these matters. He refused to replace McShane in the squad for what seemed like an eternity with the far more talented St Ledger yet once he had a look at St Ledger he threw him straight into the first team. He's listening to the likes of Brady and Givens too much I believe, 2 clueless mongs.
Ah but remember if we lose Trap (Italy) will qualify!!
way over the top. what is the point in bringing in new players at this crucial stage and have to start them off from scratch in relation to tactics etc? theres no point in change for change sakeQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
No Fahey? No McCann? No Morrison? I'm shocked! :rolleyes:
I mean Steven Reid hasn't recovered, we're gonna have Whelan and Andrews in midfield and we need a win in this game. Maby Traps wheels will come off in Nicosia?
Liam Miller, not with a club. Whelan is sub. Gibson is a sub. Andrews is the only midfielder who actually starts for his club. We're better than that. No exuses this is just idiotic.
Liam Miller has played no football for months now so how you can sit there and post the above without a smiley and imply that he will in some way add more to the squad than the likes of McCann or Fahey because he may or may not be more familiar with certain tactics (which change on a game by game basis anyway) borders on the surreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
The squad is also for the South Africa match. By your logic we should stick with the exact same players through to the end of the next world cup and I can assure you we won't be getting there if the likes of Miller or Nolan are required in the qualifiers when they aren't match fit.
he doesnt pick Brian Murphy (understandable to an extent) because he is not playing at a "higher level" (not necessarily the most valid of excuses for a goalie).
Yet he picks a player who does not even have a club.
That stinks.
Im all for keeping a settled squad and even though Im not surprised about Millers inclusion, it really does smack of laziness on the management teams part.He cant be properly fit, he has no match sharpness therefore there is no way he will be considered for selection in the match.So is he only in the squad to keep his training up before he signs for a new club? I know its not the time to be gambling with blooding new players but we should only be selecting players in the squad that have a genuine chance of making some sort of impact in the game if they are needed
:rolleyes: Just started against Liverpool in Anfield.Quote:
Whelan is sub.
The Miller inclusion is strange, the only thing I can think of is that Miller has a deal lined up and is going to sign with someon in the next week. If so and he plays a game or two before Cyprus then fair enough, he's fourth choice central midfield. People going on as if Trap was planning on building the side around him. Miller's experience in domestic football, as well as being a member of almost every single Trap squad means he'd be the better option then throwing in someone like McCann ala Stan the Man would do. If he doesn't have a club by the end of the transfer window then that'd be the end of Miller for Ireland (of course that would co-incide with Reid's return, and so Miller would be bumped as the fourth choice CM anyway).
Lets say we get hit by a wave of injuries before Cyprus, I'd consider it more of a gamble to throw in a debutant who's never played a big game in their life, and has no prior experience of how the Irish system works, then playing Miller who has a lack of match practice this season. Hopefully it won't be an issue either way, and in the future we have Gibson/Whelan/Andrews/S Reid as our CMs. Then let Miller find a club and battle it out amongst the rest for 'back up' spot not in the squad.
Good to see Doyle's been named in the squad too.
Looks as if some of you have no experience of how qualifying groups and their squads develop over a campaign.
All a manager can do is guess what will work. Traps guess is based on a wealth of experience which he can apply to the needs of present day international football.
Trap brought in plenty of new faces before the June qualifier. He has his sense and his logic about the squad he thinks will play the game we need to qualify.
A manager is judged on performance and results.
It's the results that prove competence.
There is no perfect manager.
If we do make it to the play offs, Trap is the manager IŽd want with our team in that situation.
Crazy, not surprised but Names that spring to mind Fahey, Ward, B Murphy, O'Dea????????
Not forgetting Morrison
Stephen Carr done rightly last week also
stephan carr is retired. I'm not surprised about miller at all, to be honest, i'm just surprised it's the same squad for the south africa game - seems to me that was a perfect match to blood a couple of more options.
This is the sort of thing that drives me mad. People just pick the names of people in the squad and say they should be in there regardless of the multitude of reasons that go in to naming a squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by cestlavie
Firstly, Carr has retired from international football and so is unavailable. Secondly, who would you drop? Foley, O'Shea and Stephen Kelly all play right back. If Trap dropped Foley to put Carr in, and Carr gave one of the shocking performances he so often gave, this place would be full of posts saying its a disgrace how Foley wasn't picked as I read that he's a good player and sure we all know Carr is rubbish.
You argue for O'Dea to be called up, and yet if he did, it would have to be in the place of St Ledger, and then you'd moan that St Ledger is the next Paul McGrath, and that your grandad lost his marbles when he was 70 so what does Trap know about football.
Trap has built a core squad of players, and is going to the World Cup with them. I'm sure one or two may well break through over the course of the season, but it'll be the same core as it is now. That doesn't make his squad selection unadventorous. If he was as unadventurous as you all say what's Foley, Nolan, Gibson, Best, Lawrence, St Ledger and Folan doing in the squad?
Good post Jicked, but I still think the selection of someone that hasnt got a club is wrong
Like I said, I don't think it's a great choice by any means. Still though, if it came down to it I'd rather a Miller without match fitness play instead of a debutant who's never been involved before. Either way, its unlikely that he'll be needed, thankfully.
My guess is that Miller has a club lined up, will sign in the next couple of weeks, and then go back to being 5th choice CM and not in the squad (once S Reid returns). Obviously if he doesn't find a club then it's a different story and we'll need a new 5th choice as back-up.
The question of who to throw on against Cyprus - Miller or a debutant is not the issue I have the most problems with it's that Miller will still be in the squad for the friendly against South Africa a perfect opportunity to try some new midfielders and look for solutions to solve undoubtedly our weakest position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Well I'd rather the squad was built around the Cyprus game that could all but guarantee a play-off place for the first time in eight years.
Clinton Morrison should be considered, always gave a hundred per cent and is more experienced than say Folan. He's also in great form.
Have to agree with youngirish:
I don't think Trap is doing his homework as far as picking the right players for the right job and is getting bad advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I wouldn't be one to disrupt a settle squad so late into the campaign but to persist with Miller is a mystery.:confused:
Folan was superb for us in Italy, has just got even more game time with Robbie under his belt, and has started the last two games in the Premier League.
Morisson scored 10 league goals playing up front all season for Coventry.
But since he scored a brace on the telly on opening day you think he'd be a better option :confused: Another thing worth considering, imagine what it would do to confidence/squad morale if you were to drop Folan for someone like Morisson. Then in the new year when Morisson has stopped scoring dropping him for Jon Macken who got a goal in a televised FA Cup 3rd round game.
You could argue that you should put Morisson in for Best (though personally I'd much rather Best in the squad), but then people would be whinging about Trap not developing new players. No?
I agree that he has to be picked but superb? Come on. He was OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
He won every ball in the air and absolutely bullied Italy's centre-halfs. His hold up play was excellent as well, and helped us hold possession in the final third.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Before he came on, we never looked like threatening, and if you're going to point at one player who changed the game in our favour that night in Bari, it was big Caleb.
I have a bad feeling that the pendulum is going to turn against Trappatoni after the Cyprus game.
I've a good feeling we'll go to Cyprus, scrap out a dour 1-0 or 2-1 win and have people bemoan that result, style of football and the fact Shane Lowry made his first team debut for Aston Villa recently and what the hell is Trap doing not building around him, he's probably brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeathDrog
Meanwhile we'll be three points closer to the play-offs.
I'm not so sure. I'd love to be though. The Australia game was a massive shock to me. I know it was a meaningless friendly and all that, but that doesn't mean that basics have to go ot the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
3 points against Cyprus is a must. However we do it. I just feel that Trap isn't helping himself with his squad selections.
We're too defensive and boring, yet Miller should be dropped for flamboyant players like Lee Carsley.
Trap never takes a risk on young players, yet Morisson should be in ahead of Best.
We need more experience, get Stephen Carr in for Foley.
Whoever's not in the squad is the answer, St Ledger out, O'Dea in.
etc. etc. etc.
When listening to Irish fans talk about squad selection I'm always reminded of the immortal words of Roger Myers Jr: "So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots?
I think the Australian friendly was a little closer to Staunton's Sweden friendly then the friendly against Netherlands.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeathDrog
Our whole style of play at the moment is not going to suit a friendly like that where half fit players don't really have any reason to bust a gut in midfield like they would, and have done, in places like Sofia, Bari and Podgorica.
How exactly? We beat Sweden and got played off the field by the NetherlandsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
From the point of view of Sweden being completely unrepresentative of where that team was, whilst the Netherlands game was a little more like what would have happened if we had to play Netherlands in a competitive game/an ominous glimpse of what would ultimately happen under Staunton.
Come on he was more than okay in fairness. He changed the game when he came on resulting on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
True, but it is important to remember that we are actually in a very poor group, proably the easiest one we've ever been in. I would expect us to be challenging for 1st, no matter who the manager is (Ok, maybe with the exception of Stan). Trappatoni's reign seems conveniently timed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
anyone else think we should be looking for a replacement for kilbane he has been brutal in the last 3games and no one can deny that..nolans natural position is centre back and has been played on the right for club?? so technically we have no decent replacement for lb other than o shea..i know all the people on this site love him but kilbane is a liability at this stage and has shown as much in his recent games so we should seriously look into dropping him as every team is going to target him
Nolan was the starting left-full for Preston during the second-half of last season, so while he is right-footed (as John O'Shea is), he does have experience in that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wexford Delboy
I think Ward at Wolves is the logical choice to try out at some stage, and the South Africa friendly would have been an ideal time to test him out.
We simply don't have a left back available. Kilbane is a better option than O'Shea because we don't have anyone to cover for O'Shea at right back with McShane out for three months.
Ward is a left-back for Wolves, and could be an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
At right-full we do have options worth considering (all of which are superior players to McShane at right-full in any event): Nolan, Kelly, Wilson, Foley (possibly will miss Cyprus through injury), Carr (retired, but if he felt he had another shot to get into a World Cup Squad I think he'd answer the call), Delap (plays midfield for Stoke but played a good chunk of his career at right-full).