Super win for Clonmel youths and great for the TSDL in general - well done to all concerned.
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Super win for Clonmel youths and great for the TSDL in general - well done to all concerned.
Well done to Town Youths and to Jamie and his management team. A great achievement!!
On to the juniors............big game tonight against Peake. Any predications?? I see Lyons is on the game so Town must see Peake as favourites!!:rolleyes:
--- and Jim McKell on the other side, its a certain three points for Villa
Great win. congratulations. Very real chance of doing the double now of two Munster cups and great chance in the FAI as well!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry 'da' Wyse
joking aside- I hope Town put out a strong side- I am sure they will go all out to win the game- lookijng forward to a good game- if its anythng like last year, it should be a crackerQuote:
Originally Posted by Town Fan
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Originally Posted by Town Fan
LOL.................Yeah seriously, it should be a scorcher...........Hope to finish work a little earlier to try make it. I'd fancy Town to win quiet easily though 2-0 IMO
Depends on Towns attitude towards the game,cant see them having the same fire in their belly as the Villa boys,however if Town won their remaining league games i think they would find themselves in a play off again,not sure what their priorities are though,Villa 3-1 for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
ill go for 2-2 draw between villa and town thus ending towns title hopes, saints will beat celtic 3-1
Clonmel Celtic 1-1 St. Michaels.
A fine performnace by the Celts, unfortunate not to come away with all 3 points, they were the better side on the night. I'm sure the talking point of the night will be the Town Villa game. I've heard a couple of opinions on the matter, but I wouldn't like to comment until I hear a few more.
R.I.P Peake Villa....the lowest moment of a once proud club,hang your heads in shame,that will be talked about for a hundred yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by ponyobrien
Were you an eye witness? Can you give an impartial account of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Top
i defy anybody to disagree with this....scully goes down injured,town put the ball out of play,villa throw the ball to fogarty to give it back,he dribbles it towards the goals but nobody tackles him as he seems to be just kidding,rounds the keeper who makes no attempt to move,stops on the line and looks to the line where the villa bench tells him kick in.....SHAMEFULQuote:
Originally Posted by ponyobrien
That's pretty much what I heard, but what happened afterwards to lead to the abandonment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Top
I havent heard anything, as I didnt get a chance to make the game due to work. Can someone fill us in on all the details??
What happened last night was a disgrace. Tipp Top you are 100% correct. Padraic Fogarty didn’t break any law of the game but he showed a complete lack of sportsmanship as did other Peake Villa players when not allowing Barry Ryan go through to score after been instructed by their manager, who was forced to tell him. Here is my account as to what happened and I defy anybody to tell me differentQuote:
Originally Posted by ponyobrien
Tony Scully goes down injured,town put the ball out of play,villa throw the ball to fogarty to give it back,he dribbles it towards the goals but nobody tackles him as he seems to be just kidding,rounds the keeper who makes no attempt to move, stops on the line and looks to the line where the villa bench tells him kick in.....SHAMEFUL. It seem to happen in slow motion and even John Hadnett was unsure what to do. He consulted with McKell and they had no choice but to award a goal.
After much arguing, the Villa manager tells the players to allow Town to score. Town re start the game. Barry Ryan then tries to run towards goal and PJ Mooney and another Villa player tackle him and continue playing.
Aaron Moroney then come over and cleans Mooney out with a bad tackle. John Hadnett correctly shows him a red card.
A few scuffles break out and John Hadnett decides to abandon the game. In my view he had no choice and made the correct decision. They would have been murder.
Peake said afterwards that they would not under any circumstances let Barry Ryan score- how childish is that. It wasn’t their call. Peake Villa should hang their heads in shame!!
This is an honest account of what happened. What Aaron did was wrong but I could understand his and the Town player’s outright disgust and frustration. Fogarty broke every rule of sportsmanship. The sad part about this is that both clubs will get into trouble but I honestly feel that Town have no case to answer. And before ye start jumping down my throat that I am a Town Fan- anybody who was there could not have a different view.
Sad night for the TSDL and Peake Villa
Thanks for the recount of what happened. What was the score at the time all this ? It's a bit strange that the Villa bench tell Fogarty to score but then agree to let Town score after that....maybe tehy realised what a disgrace it was for Villa to score in the first place!Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
Although I can see Villa's point in not allowing Barry Ryan to score.....why didnt Town elect someone else?? That was bound to stir things up furhter.
What will be the outcome? Points deducted from both teams?? Surely they can't reply the game anyway....
I must calrify I cannot say for certain that the Villa manager told him to score
Complexman and Tipp Top are correct, I am not sure if the Villa manager instructed Fogarty to score. That said, Peake Villa and Padraic Fogarty should be ashamed of themselves. A lot of people here don’t like me and they don’t like Town. Put that bias aside, the only thing that Town did wrong was Aaron Moroney’s tackle on PJ Mooney. It wasn’t as bad as people are saying as he just hacked him down, he didn’t go to break his leg. I in no way condone the tackle but I can understand why. There were scuffles after that but I think Hadnett abandon the game for fear of what could have happened as there was still over 35 minutes to play.
Peake have no class, they should be ashamed of themselves
Awe Town Fan, we don't dislike you.............Do you need a hug?? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Town Fan
Serious note though, Complexmans account of events is correct. And Moroneys tackle was X-rated. Really tried to do the player. And as for the "scuffles" come on lads it was a brawl with both sides having numerous players behaving violently. The referees had no choice but to abandon the match IMO. Having said that Fogarty started the whole thing, It was disgracefull, regardless of who told him to score, it was he himself who kicked the ball into the net. And to make matters worse, he's done nothing wrong under the Laws of the Game. Because of this I wonder who the league will hold accountable for what followed??
You could argue that Town fell asleep expecting Villa to kick the ball back but they should have been on their guard as it was Ritchie who put the ball out of play to allow Scully, his team mate to receive attention. So why should Villa have been expected to give the ball back?? Just another view lads so don't jump on me!!
You know that in every game around the world the ball is given back, yes he didn't break the rules but he cheatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
I wasn't at the game, but I am going to take an opposite view to most of the posters here so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Town Fan
Let's get this straight ok. The rules were clarified at the beginning of this season to draw attention to this kind of incident, because frankly some clubs all over the world were acting the maggot by feigning injury to disrupt play.
And every club, player and referee know the rules. They are pretty simple. Should a referee deem an injury to a player serious enough, it is the duty of the referee to stop play until the injury has been attended to. In the case of a head injury, the referee should show no discretion and stop the game immediately. Play will then resume after the injury has been cleared by means of a dropped ball.
It is very, very simple. If the ref thinks play should be stopped, he stops it. Not a player on the team of the injured player, and not a player on the team of the player who has or hasn't the ball at the time a player gets injured.
And before people start to give me a lecture about sportsmanship, explain this for me.
Why do teams who recieve an element of sportsmanship when a player in injured, use the injury to their advantage afterwards ? Is that showing sportsmanship ?
Team A may be attacking and in an advanced area, pressuring Team B. In a tackle, one of Team B's players go down, and his team mates start to scream for the ball to be put out. So, Team A puts it out, giving Team B a throw in. Within a minute, the injured player hops up to resume playing, and Team B "give the ball back". Except, now Team B has got its defence back into place and organised, and the player recieving the throw in boots it the whole lenght of the pitch into a corner where Team A has to retrieve it, and is then met by a line of players from Team B pressing them from the half way line. So, Team B uses the injury to their advantage. Is that sportsmanlike ?
Teams should cop themselves on, and this goes all the way from the lowest divisions to the World Cup. There is a rule there to take care of this issue.. follow the rule.. and play to the whistle.
Is that really too hard for players to do.
And, lets be honest... I've defended Barry Ryan and praised Clonmel Town here in the past, and have no axe to grind with either team or player.. but expecting Peake Villa to stand out of the way and let Barry walk through for an equaliser was like showing a red rag to a bull.
As far as the abondonment goes. If it was because Clonmel Town refused to play on, then the points should be awarded to Peake Villa. Simple as that.
Not Cheated, as he's done nothing wrong, technically!! I fully agree that the ball is always given back in the Spirit of the Game....................something which Fogarty lacked last night!Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
Town didn't refuse to play on. The ref was correct. I have an opposite view and I think most people would,especailly anyone who was at the game
Insidetherock, you can talk rules all you want but answer me this? What had Clonmel Town to gain by Scully going down and feigning injury?
The whole debacle is a joke and only brings the TSDL into disrepute after the positive Youths Cup win last weekend. Whatever way you look at what happened last night (OJECTIVELY AND NOT IMPARTIALLY) both clubs have blackened the reputation of the league.
Yes when the opposition kicks it out so a player on the opposite team can get attention. It is then given back. This doesn't always happen when a team mate kicks it out so his own player gets attention. Depends I suppose. I wasn't at the game so can't comment on the rest of the 'action' but looks like a shambles. Good luck in sorting this one out. Big crowd at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
How did Clonmel Town bring the game into disrepute- Aaron Moroney was wrong in what he did but I find it hard to condemn him outright. You dislike Town which is fair enough but you weren't at the game, stop taking the moral high ground here. Peake Villa are the ones who blackened their own good name and the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damo
If the referee abandoned game after moroneys tackle or because of his tackle ye could be in trouble.Even though they enticed it.that is very bad form for a club to stoop to that level, lowest of the lowest.was there any more red cards after ref abandoned game.it will probably all come down to refs report.best of luck with it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
How do you come to the conclusion from anything I've posted on here that I dislike Town? I have absolutely nothing against Clonmel Town. And I'm not taking any moral high ground. I'm merely stating the perception this will lead by those outside the league and the message it sends to those same people. As I said in my post, look at the situation objectively rather than taking the parochial view. Whether you or I were at the game or not is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
He didn't abandon because of Moroney's tackle. Is it Town you are saying stooped to that level. I am furious with Villa, if I was a player I would have decked Fogarty,PJ Mooney and Michael Ryan.Quote:
Originally Posted by serpico
Yes I agree that the perception will be awful on that I agree but your suggestion that Town have blackened the league is wrong. Thats my final word on last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Damo
No I think you misread my post.it is peake that I'm saying behaved in a disgusting manner.remember arsenal and sheff utd few years ago peake could have done same.very bad form.I hope that clears it up for you.was there any more red cards after game?Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
No, Adrian Cleere got a few punches but whether there was a red card issued for that- I don't know
Sorry Complexman.. I cannot agree with you at all on this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by complexman
And I cannot accept that you wouldn't condemn Aaron Moroney for making what sounds like was a dangerous tackle. No player has the right to assault another player, and if they go "to do someone", no matter what the circumstances, then that is what it is, assault.
As a matter of interest, while you find it hard to condemn Moroney for the tackle, how would you feel if you found out that PJ Mooney lost his job afterwards because he wasn't able to carry on with a broken leg (had it been broken)
I know people disagree with me in what I wrote, but the simple fact of the matter is that this situation has been hanging around the game for years now since the Arsenal/Sheffield Utd decsion, and more often than not, teams were beginning to use it as a deliberate tactic to slow down the game. While I am not accusing Scully of that, the fact is, how was a Peake Villa player supposed to know the extent of the injury ?
The decision to stop a game is rightly left to the referee, and to the referee alone, and for good reason.
Let me put it like this for example. Clonmel Town had the opportunity to continue playing themselves when they had the ball and Scully was down. If Peake Villa had stopped playing, pointing to the injured player, and Clonmel Town had scored, would people have considered it bad sportsmanship by Clonmel Town, or would we now be hearing how Peake should have "played to the whistle" ?
Fact remains, after the throw in was given, Town had time to defend it.. they refused to do so.. therefore one can have little sympathy with their predicament. They are big boys and you can be damn sure they'll never let it happen again.
And once again, no sympathy for Aaron Moroney, or any player, from any team, who goes in to do a player, no matter what the excuse.
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Originally Posted by ponyobrien
I heard Saints gifted them the goal without picking who's fault it was - dont Saints can win league now!
what was score before this happened?
does that mean that both clubs will lose points?
I do condemn Moroney- what I said was I can understand his frustration. You weren't at the game. the villa player threw the ball to Foggy to give it back to Richie Ryan. He didn't sprint towards the goal, is was if the whole game paused. The ref didn't know what to do when he scored. It was bad form pure and simple.
I take your point on board about Moroney's tackle.
also why did Peake agree to allow Town score and then because it was Barry Ryan they wouldn't allow him. Why then not put the ball in your own net. Most of the villa players were ashamed
Insidetherock, I don't disagree with your comments and but I think the manner in which you word your posts is antagonising a little..... The fact remains that the game must be played in the correct spirit and Fogarty had plenty of time to think about what he was doing. For anyone who was at the game it was clear that he was unsure about whether to score or not and thought hard about it for a few seconds. As I said earlier, technically he has done nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insidetherock
As for why the game was abandoned......After Moroneys tackle he was red carded and both teams were then involved in a melee and if the ref had shown more red cards I have no doubt that at least another six would have walked, such was the seriousness of the brawl.
IMO both Clubs are responsible for the behaviour of the teams............which on the night left alot to be desired.
Who can I see the league blaming.........................Both teams with sympathy shown to Town!! Just my opinion.
There is no antagonism meant whatsoever... but I will be absolutely frank when I say that I have difficulties whenever I hear people attempt to justify something based on the "spirit of the game"Quote:
Originally Posted by Quietman
The problem in this area began because people abused teams good nature and covered themselves in the comfort blanket of "the spirit of the game"
Wheter I was at the game or not is incidental. That's another refuge of people when they wish to ignore someones opinion and it gives them an out.
There is a rule, and both teams should and I am sure do, know it. Play on unless the referee stops the game. Otherwise, the rule will, and was being, be abused
If the referee was allowing the game to continue, then Clonmel Town should have continued playing. It is as simple as that.