I think he is 29 i know he is pushing on i would still like to see him get a chance do.
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I think he is 29 i know he is pushing on i would still like to see him get a chance do.
He is at it again lads!!! god you talk some rubbish!!! Did you have a sleep mask on at all the Ireland matches you have attended, thats if you even attended then!!!:eek: some of Doyles advantages: Age, Level of Play, Club he is with, consistentcy and oh lets not not forget he is IRISH, and not just another Jon Maken shambles. Did you hear trundles interview about the possibility of linking up with the Irish squad, memories of Maken's first press conference with Ireland came flooding back.:ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by baileban
Really? What did he say? From what I remember, Trundle's comments were something like, "I've always wanted to play for Ireland" and when he was younger he was wearing the Ireland shirt whilst all his friends had England shirts on. He has also turned down a chance to play for the North (seems to be quite a common occurance now apparently)Quote:
Originally Posted by shanman2
Lee Trundle is pants lads. Fair enough if he was 23 or 24 then I could see cause for excitement but when at 31 you're only starting to make it in the Championship then surely International football is a step too far. At his age you would expect that he has only a couple of seasons playing at the top of his game left in him. Strikers generally don't last as long as defenders.
It would be far better to blood the future talent in the games that Doyle or Keane are not available than waste caps on a lost cause.
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Originally Posted by Rebel11
His birthday is 10th October 1976, he's 30 at the moment and will be 31 in about 6 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
1. He is not "pants". He is better than some of the players in the squad. I don't believe in this blooding people in competative games. You pick the best players available at any one time; very much in the same way that Beckham is picked for England where the future talent is clearly someone like David Bentley etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
2. I would rather pick a 30 or 50 year old if it gave us a better chance of qualifying. If Joe Lapira, Gleeson, Murphy from Carlisle etc etc have had a chance, it seems unfortunate Trundle hasn't.
livehead1 agree with you 100% mate
I think he should be in the squad and should have been there along time ago .He may have lost some of his pace but he can score a goal and has done so consistently throughout his career be it lower league. He my be 31 but he is a big strong skillful player and we could get a few years out of him.
I like Doyle but to be fair he has not been at it since he was injured late last season. Murphy is a limited player and Long has good potential but limited experience.
It probably won’t happen but what have we got to lose by including him?
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Originally Posted by FarBeag
He's only 30. He has a good few years left in him yet. The reason why professional footballers have to retire when they do (around the 31-34 mark) is due to the wear and tear their bodies have been put through. They have generally been training as a professional for around 15-18 years by this stage. Lee Trundle turned professional at around 24-25, therefore his body has been put through far less and as a result I believe he will be able to go on past this stage if he looks after himself and steers clear of serious injury.
yeah but surely he didn't just "take up" football at 24-25? he must've been playing at some kind of decent amateur level for many years previous to that. I'm sorry but that argument just doesn't hold any sway with me. Fact of the matter is, he's 30 and has only played a handful of games in the second tier of English football. That just doesn't warrant a place in an international side where there's plenty of competition for places already.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
We have a lot of strikers now that are just breaking on to the scene at a young age that hav the potential to play at a high level for the next 10 years, we should be blooding these guys (Doyle,Stokes, Long, Keogh, Clarke) instead of relying on a 30 year old "never was"...
Age means nothing in international football. You pick the best players at the moment, simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanman2
id love to see what he can do in an ireland shirt. Theres no denyng hes an exciting player and a great talent. Wouldnt put him in the squad for the upcoming games but he should definitely be considered against the minnows.
Didn't do much against Man City tonight, but the defence had him well marshalled.
Yeh, watched a decent amount of it in between celtic match. Thought he played well, can tell hes a good footballer in the true sense of that word, that said man city are v. good at the back and did well; hes not the first forward not to score against that defence though to be fair!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Nonsense. How can you say he won't offer something different? He is a player from a completely different mould from all our other forwards. And he has bags of ability. The only one of our current crop who is different in terms of his game than the other usual suspects is Murphy. And he's pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
He didn't start playing profesional football untill he was in his mid 20's and he is a different type of player to what we already have, so it would be a different option to try. Also he has a better strike rate than any of the others at 0.45 goals per game. Better than that of a couple of the others put togeather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Also as it is likely we will not qualify anyway at least you will have some entertainment watching the showboating :D
I will give you a reason, and a simple one. He has a better strike rate than any of them, his strike rate is 0.45 and is current 0.66 in the Championship so far and 0.5 this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Now go here and find an Irish player with a better strike rate.
http://www.soccerbase.com/players_de...playerid=12919
Indeed find me any player of any nationality with a better strike rate!!
You reason for not including him seems to boil down to he is not proven at the highest level so he won't get a chance to prove himself at the highest level - which is ridiculous.
Usually I enjoy your posts so don't think I'm having a dig for the sake of it, but you said in the first post in question that he doesn't offer something different. Talking about AC Milan and Real Madrid is a good way to deflect attention from the fact that you stated that he offers nothing different from the other strikers, and objectively speaking he does. Whether or not he offers something entirely better, we dont have any striker who dribbles like him and has a penchant for scoiring the odd wondergoalQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
OK lets send Stokes, Long, Doyle, Murphy et al down to League 1 and see what their strike rate would be by the end of the season...The guy has only played 3 games in the Championship for feck sake!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Its not simply the number of goals, its the nature of them, there all different types, tap-ins, power strikes, wondergoals, he can do the lot, he can offer something so different to anything we have, even if it was 20 mins from the end; id love to see him coming on as opposed to shane long on daryll murphy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
And also, I doubt either would get as many goals has he has in League 1
That's what I was saying about Stephen Elliott's first season (18 Championship goals?), plus his early goals in the Premiership.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
One-on-ones, headers, tap ins, shots, on the turn, the lot, but he's a squad player at best for us. Keane & Doyle are our undisputed best pairing and I'm very excited by Keogh, not so much as a goalscorer but as a very dangerous forward player.
Murphy is a decent player but I'd close my eyes if he had a one-on-one to win either of September's games. He's skillful though & creates goals with his flicks and his good left foot.
Long really impressed me when he came on against Slovakia and 3 goals in his last 2 games for us can't be knocked. He was awful in San Marino but so was everyone, bar KK, Hunt & Stokes.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
..And he was given a chance
well there's a guy on my amateur team that bangs in 20-30 goals a season and he gets all types of goals: long-rangers, headers, poachers goals, individual goals...great player, maybe he should get called up because he offers something different!Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Extreme example maybe but my point is that there are plenty of flair players that offer something different in the lower leagues of England but that doesn't mean that they are capable of making the step up...Lee Trundle is one of these players. I genuinely don't think that he will ever play in the Premiership and don't think he'll ever be a better all-round player than the young lads we have there at the moment...
Great post Ogba.
Elliot was given a chance because of the dearth of strikers available to us at the time. If either Keane or Morrison was injured, then it was up to the Doc to come off the bench and stay up front to try and win the game for us, now we have Keogh, Long, Stokes, etc all vying for a squad position.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Besides Keane, Morrison, Doc, Connolly, Elliot, Lee, Crowe and Byrne, did Brian Kerr pick any other strikers for his squad? And Byrne's 18-second cameo (or however long it was) barely counts. Did Crowe ever come off the bench for Kerr? Doyle was on the bench once for him, against Cyprus away I think.
So far Stan has picked Keane, Morrison, Lee, Keogh, Elliott, Long, Stokes, Murphy, as well as giving Byrne a decent run out, and calling up Folan and Dixon. He has a far wider pool of strikers available (let's save the argument about talent for another day), and obviously does not see the need for Trundle.
What like Kevin Keegan you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Everyone has to start somewhere and Trundle started at the bottom
and has actually impproved as he moved up scoring more not less.
Also a lot of our strikers are light weight and Trundle offers a bigger presence up front.
Hmmm.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Strikers from the recently announced squad:
Kevin Doyle, Robbie Keane, Andy Keogh, Shane Long, and Daryl Murphy
Add in Trundle and compare stats of height and weight.
Code:Name Height
Daryl Murphy 6'3
Kevin Doyle 6'
Lee Trundle 6'
Andy Keogh 6'
Shane Long 5'10
Robbie Keane 5'9
He wouldn't really add anything in either department that we don't already have.Code:Name Weight
Daryl Murphy 12st 12lbs
Kevin Doyle 12st 8lbs
Lee Trundle 11st 6lb
Robbie Keane 11st 7lbs
Shane Long 11st 2lbs
Andy Keogh 11st
BTW, I'm not saying he should be in the squad, or out of the squad, I'm saying that he doesn't offer more in terms of strength or height that we don't already have
In fairness Trundle looks a lot bigger (fatter) and stronger than the likes of Andy Keogh. I think those stats are incorrect. Doyle isn't 6 foot either as far as I know. Slightly smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
anyone who really thinks he should be in the squad at this present time needs their head examined... we've never had so many strikers and people are crying for some 29yr old guy just come up for the friggin 3rd tier... give me a break.
He's 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legend
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Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Afraid I don't get the Keegan reference so that's passed me by but you're saying he's improved as he's moved up by scoring more.........At the risk of repeating myself...HE'S ONLY PLAYED 3 GAMES!!!! Lets see how many he scores over the course of the season....
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Originally Posted by youngirish
31? Jaysus... goodnight then!
He's 30, 31 in OctoberQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
google "Kevin Doyle" +Height and you'll get various answers. Smallest is 5'10, most is 6'.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
On the Reading site it's down as 5'11, so I'll take that instead
Doesn't really change anythingCode:Name Height
Daryl Murphy 6'3
Andy Keogh 6'
Lee Trundle 6'
Kevin Doyle 5'11
Shane Long 5'10
Robbie Keane 5'9
The Legend.....He's 30...and hes playing in the SECOND tier
Some of those height and weight figures look rather suspect.
I'd say Trundle is closer to 12 stone and looks like he weighs more the Doyle,
who is 5'11 according to some sources.
Another site puts Trundle on 84kg which is over 13 stone, hard to believe Doyle is heavier than him.
As were vitually all our strikers a year or 2 ago, at least he is on his way up, as opposed to down.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Right... having JUST come up from the 3rd tier like I said...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Come Off It!!! You'd say the same thing if someone moved from the third tier to the premiership?....He's just come from the 3rd tier...sure ya wouldn't use that argument!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Legend
It's all about proving yourself at a higher level. I'm a fan of Trundle like yourself but I think it wouldn't make sense to have him ahead of Long, Keogh, Murphy or Lee (and probably Connolly and Morrisson too). Wait until he does more in the Championship to push for his inclusion, which I think he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1