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Passports are of no consequence in the context of what I stated...you really need to read up on the respective Citizenship laws of the Republic Of Ireland and the United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as they pertain to people on this island.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Do you mean Roy Millar, Director Of Coaching at the IFA?Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/news/...ing-conference
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I presume this the same boy who accused young lads from the North who represented Ireland of ''neglecting their country''.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Well you can't have a passport unless you're a citizen and really not interested in tedious attempts at point-scoring. So maybe you just need to accept there's more flexibility in practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
After they'd represented Northern Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
Where have I denied that?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
How do you think Northern Irish nationalists qualify to play for Northern Ireland?
I'll give you a clue - they don't need to have Irish Passports.
I thought you knew about the FIFA rules on eligibility?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I presume the England u17 player Oliver Norwood is very welcome in the North's set-up.
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They don't need British passports either do they? I thought the requirements were changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Was the whole eligibilty thing not based on who is what?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Do YOU not need to accept that "there's more flexibility in progess"?:confused:
That's correct - you don't need a passport to be a Citizen of either or both of the United Kingdom of Great Britiain and Northern Ireland and the Republic Of Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Well, as you keep saying it's up to them. Sceptical though about how many nationalists would have a British passport, voluntarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Perhaps, er, as a 'flag of convenience', to suit the IFA. And their :rolleyes: constituency.
I have. See above. Now who's confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Yeah, I'm aware, but I was basically saying how I commended their all-Ireland basis. I suppose I just shrug off the fact clubs are strongly linked with their local parishes. I'm not religious and it never bothered me, but I can see how it obviously alienates itself from other communities by doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Who says he doesn't pick the strongest team available? If so, he'd be a bit daft, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardee Bhoy
Can't speak for them, but I'd agree you conceded an unlucky goal to a poor refereeing error. That doesn't fully explain why you lost the tie overall; in the second leg you needed to either a) win by scoring at least two goals, or b) rely on the lottery of penalties. And obviously you couldn't manage a) over either 90 or 120 minutes.Quote:
And even the most begrudging Orange bigot might admit we 'enjoyed' no luck v.the French!!!
Make up your mind, if they're worthless don't quote them. I'm no fan of the official rankings, but over the last decade they broadly reflect reality: the South have been better than NI, but still pretty mediocre.Quote:
Perhaps a better measure of international 'success' would be average FIFA(For all those C*nts are worth)'s World 'Rankings' over the last decade?
I'm not at all paranoid; I also have spoken to relatives who lived through the Blitz; the raid on Dublin can't credibly be explained as mistaking it for Belfast, Liverpool or anywhere else. It's got nothing to do with the Dev machine. The Germans targetted Belfast mainly as a major industrial centre and port, but also because British governments in the 1930s had scaled down its defences, thinking German bombers wouldn't have the range to get there. (Which also explains why Shorts' aircraft factory moved from Rochester on Medway in 1938).Quote:
A no.of relations alive at the time, told me it was accounted popularly and subsequently, as being 'in error' due to being a foggy night. And bombed Beal-feirste (and Dublin) and error. Before you get all paranoid, some of them were no fans of the 'Dev' propaganda machine....
Er, they're both British and Northern Irish.Quote:
But they must be as British, as some of the locals with that surname??
No point; we wouldn't; not interested. Can't you read?Quote:
Just think how you might have benefited from an AI team then!
Adams is a common surname among Scottish Presbyterians. Of course Gerry's ancestors may have changed from another, similar-sounding Gaelic name.Quote:
And what's the relevance of the 'Adams' mention??
Sorry to be dim, but isn't a passport a basic requirement of playing international football? Regardless of FIFA diktat, but so they can travel to away games, like. I assume some NI players have only RoI passports and that this isn't a problem?Quote:
Well, as you keep saying it's up to them. Sceptical though about how many nationalists would have a British passport, voluntarily. Perhaps, er, as a 'flag of convenience', to suit the IFA. And their constituency
Yes, it is up to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
The amount of Northern Irish Nationalists who hold a Britsh passport voluntarily is absolutely irrelevant in the context of their British Citizenship.
Northern Irish nationalists do not have to have a British passport to play for Northern Ireland - the fact that they are British Citizens is all that is required, in accordance with FIFA Statutes.
Furthermore, the IFA lobbied FIFA in order that our nationalist players didn't have to have a British passport to evidence their eligibilty to FIFA.
Ha ha, just as well.
Or that'd be a third or so of your players potentially be upset before they even started.
Lucky they're not as self-righteous as some of their fans though.
;)
You keep claiming to be 'Irish', so surely :rolleyes: you would be aware of the vagaries of the selection issues relating to the Ireland football team??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Except I was talking about being unlucky;Not about whether you sounded credible in the field of mathematics!Quote:
Can't speak for them, but I'd agree you conceded an unlucky goal to a poor refereeing error. That doesn't fully explain why you lost the tie overall; in the second leg you needed to either a) win by scoring at least two goals, or b) rely on the lottery of penalties. And obviously you couldn't manage a) over either 90 or 120 minutes.
;)
Merely suggesting that they may be the best 'credible' measure?? And what have S.America got to do with N.E.Ulster??Quote:
Make up your mind, if they're worthless don't quote them. I'm no fan of the official rankings, but over the last decade they broadly reflect reality: the South have been better than NI, but still pretty mediocre.
Wasn't asking if you were paranoid, but that's how it was reported broadly in Ireland at the time. Perhaps someone with grand-parents in the Pale then can confirm this?Quote:
I'm not at all paranoid; I also have spoken to relatives who lived through the Blitz; the raid on Dublin can't credibly be explained as mistaking it for Belfast, Liverpool or anywhere else. It's got nothing to do with the Dev machine. The Germans targetted Belfast mainly as a major industrial centre and port, but also because British governments in the 1930s had scaled down its defences, thinking German bombers wouldn't have the range to get there. (Which also explains why Shorts' aircraft factory moved from Rochester on Medway in 1938).
Aye with a Welsh surname!Quote:
Er, they're both British and Northern Irish.
;)
Except weren't asking if you were! Just that it was a possibility.Quote:
No point; we wouldn't; not interested. Can't you read?
Paranoia is alive & well?
Except that we kept being told it isn't. With the exception of away games outside the EU!Quote:
Sorry to be dim, but isn't a passport a basic requirement of playing international football? Regardless of FIFA diktat, but so they can travel to away games, like. I assume some NI players have only RoI passports and that this isn't a problem?
I'm 100% Irish; apart from the inevitable injuries and so on, the only significant vagary I'm aware of is that one of your most gifted players isn't interested, for whatever reasons of his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardee Bhoy
You were definitely unlucky to concede a goal (which didn't in itself increase the number of goals you needed to score on the night). It's arguable whether you were unlucky in the tournament as a whole, or even the tie as a whole.Quote:
Except I was talking about being unlucky;Not about whether you sounded credible in the field of mathematics!
Pretty much every measure suggests you've been better than us over the decade as a whole. In the five tournaments, you've outpointed us in four.Quote:
Merely suggesting that they may be the best 'credible' measure??
The alternative that I mentioned was also widely reported; the mistaken identity theory has been widely discredited since.Quote:
that's how it was reported broadly in Ireland at the time
So what? Your current side includes players with French, Scottish and English surnames.Quote:
Aye with a Welsh surname!
A British or Irish passport holder living in Britain needs it to leave the country for any foreign country (EU or otherwise) bar the RoI. Doesn't the same apply leaving the RoI for any country other than Britain?Quote:
Except that we kept being told it isn't. With the exception of away games outside the EU!
Is the 'Nonsense'/WD spool on 'Repeat' ??
Aye, it seems to be- you've posted the same repetitive nonsense 140 times on this thread alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Hardly.
That's been in response to abundant paranoia mainly from a largely circular poster!
:)
NB might sound like a broken record, but at least he uses a credence of logic....
Ah the lads are afraid their beloved team will disappear into an All-Ireland team. The fact is because of the sectarianism and bigotry that is rife among many of its football fans (the Norn Ireland team hardly represents people from West Belfast or the Bogside or South Armagh) it will probably be the last thing to be united on this island.
But it will unite eventually..
bless the Lord!
I predict Ulster to say 'no' to this post...
Except you claim to be British, so how can you (or anyone) claim to be 100% 'Irish'? 50% of each, unless of course you're two people ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
And clearly you need to do more research about the Ireland team!
;)
We'll argue we were....Even the main culprit disagrees with you!Quote:
You were definitely unlucky to concede a goal (which didn't in itself increase the number of goals you needed to score on the night). It's arguable whether you were unlucky in the tournament as a whole, or even the tie as a whole.
Hmm, so all my relatives and the whole of the contemporary Irish media were :rolleyes: wrong.Quote:
The alternative that I mentioned was also widely reported; the mistaken identity theory has been widely discredited since.
'Loyalism' has such a great record of re-writing history....
So what? They're not claiming or eligible for dual nationality!Quote:
So what? Your current side includes players with French, Scottish and English surnames.
Yes, in response to your inaccurate drivel. Get a grasp of Geography, spelling, maths & history from a proper source;then we might take you seriously ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
They won't like this. And cue another 500 posts telling us they're not interested etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
No, we don't think there's any realistic likelihood of it happening. Read the thread, if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer 82
Quite simply, as the two don't contradict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardee Bhoy
I don't need to do anything. I've accurately pointed out who you can and do pick for your football team.Quote:
And clearly you need to do more research about the Ireland team!
Fine, argue what you like- although you might want to concentrate on future matches instead. Many- including among your own support- will counter that the handballed goal is only part of the explanation for why you didn't qualify.Quote:
We'll argue we were....Even the main culprit disagrees with you!
Not all the contemporary media claimed that the air raid on Dublin was an accident; why wouldn't your relatives (or anyone else) be wrong? Think about it- the Free State's neutrality in WW2/ Emergency was clearly benevolent in favor of Britain and the allies; so Germany had plasible reason to attack as a test of whether Dev would declare on the Allied side- in turn justifying an invasion of Ireland, or at least further attacks.Quote:
Hmm, so all my relatives and the whole of the contemporary Irish media were wrong. 'Loyalism' has such a great record of re-writing history...
It's got nothing to do with 'loyalism', nor indeed 'rewriting of history'.
Don't be absurd. St Ledger and Lawrence were eligible to play for England, Gibson for Northern Ireland.Quote:
So what? They're not claiming or eligible for dual nationality!
I can live with it if you don't.Quote:
then we might take you seriously
Hmm, where to begin?
It doesn't matter how often you moronically repeat it, you're still talking total Drivel!
If it's not a basic grasp of maths, then it's lacking who's actually available to play for the Irish football team. Or a re-writing of history issue based on your own flawed opinion, not to mention confused spelling!
Similarly a failure to accept the French game was completed in controversial circumstances! Even Bl*tter :rolleyes: managed that FFS!!!
And like you keep repeating, none of our players are eligible to play for anyone else, least of all N-E.Ulster. In the case of Gibson, as you might say :rolleyes:, 'Get Over it'. ;)
Then someone might take you seriously, one day in the distant future?
'our wee country' should really be 'our wee state which is part of the country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland because we are British but also Irish and the two don't contradict'.....
wonder if I can fit 'sitchyation' in there somewhere??
The Northern Ireland team is no more, or no less, beloved to Northern Ireland supporters than the Republic Of Ireland team isto Republic Of Ireland supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
We should probably be more "afraid" of it forming part of an "All United Kingdom" team - but, I don't envisage that happening any time soon.
Players born in England and Scotland holding Irish Citizenship are Dual Nationals. They are also British Citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Aidan McGeady is a British and Irish Citizen ie. he has Dual Nationality. He was, most certainly, eligible to play for Scotland (as Scotland fans will be quick to tell you) but chose to play for the Republic Of Ireland.
Any player born in Northern Ireland is now eligible to play for either Northern Ireland or the Republic Of Ireland.
Their British Citizenship (by birth) affords them eligility to play for Northern Ireland.
Their Irish Citizenship (a birthright) affords them eligibility to play for the Republic Of Ireland.
The right to choice was established.
Northern Ireland fans will robustly defend the right of choice of any player born in Northern Ireland to play for Northern Ireland, and resist the calls of those who wish to deny that choice.
Although it's not your first post on this thread, it's the first one which has really caught my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
But following on from Ardee Bhoy's stream of (un)consciousness, I am hardly tempted to say "No".
Rather, I was reminded of a story about Mike & Bernie Winters - two brothers who were a popular entertainment act in the 1950's and 60's. (Featuring a handsome musician and a goofy-looking comic, they were the British answer to Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis).
Anyhow, they were booked to play in the Glasgow Empire - a venue notorious for being the "hardest" in Britain. They started out with the dapper Mike coming out alone on stage and playing the clarinet.
Total silence.
He played on regardless.
More silence.
Finally after two or three successively more excruciating minutes, Bernie made his first appearance, by poking his head out from behind the curtain to the side of the stage, with his trademark toothy grin.
"Fcuk me, there's two of them!", exclaimed a lone voice from the audience...
Who has said none of your current players were eligible to play for anyone else? That would be absurd.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Your English born players were eligible to play for England.
McGeady was eligible to play for Scotland.
The vast majority of players born in Northern Ireland choose to play for Northern Ireland - "Get Over it".
Yawn. What of it?
Surely you've got some :rolleyes: re-educating to do elsewhere, if some of the anti-Irish views of some of your supposedly 'Irish' fans quoted on here, are anything to go by.
You're wrong in practical terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Know dozens of people born in Britain & its local colonies, but they don't have, nor are now eligible for, a Brit. passport. But then that's the :rolleyes: the real world.
;)
You really need to read up on British Citizenship laws:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
If you were born in the United Kingdom before 1 January 1983, you are almost certainly a British citizen. The only exception is if you were born to certain diplomatic staff of foreign missions who had diplomatic immunity.
If you were born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983, you are a British citizen if at the time of your birth one of your parents was:
■a British citizen; or
■legally settled in the United Kingdom
That's in "practical terms", of course, "in the real world";)
Might be what it says in the book. But you lot are so irrationally obsessive about Brit.passports.
They don't & won't give them to just anyone. Besides lots of the various diaspora, including the Irish, they have a :rolleyes: particular thing about non-whites or people outside the EU.
Regardless of whether 'legally settled'.
No, it's you who is going on about Passports, seemingly "irrationally obsessive" about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I'm talking about Citizenship.
I tend to base my discussions on such issues on "what it says in the book".
But, for what it's worth, I understand the Republic Of Ireland don't and won't give out Passports to "just anyone" either.
Yes, but it's not what happens in reality. Or are you really that naive or stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And Ireland didn't go round illegally :rolleyes: colonizing half the world like your heroes.
Or maybe that's what appeals?
;)
The conditions to become a British Citizen for those from outside the EU are as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
•To have been a permanent resident in the UK for at least one year
•To have legally lived in the UK for a minimum of 5 complete years (with no more than 450 days spent abroad, and no more than 90 days on the year leading up to the application)
•Intend to continue living in the UK
•Have adequate knowledge of English, Gaelic :eek: or Welsh
•Be of “good character” (i.e. have no criminal record).
For those "not settled", the rules are thus:
Even if you were born in the United Kingdom, you will not be a British citizen if neither of your parents was a British citizen or legally settled in the UK at the time of your birth. This means you are not a British citizen if, at the time of your birth, your parents were in the country temporarily, had stayed on without permission, or had entered the country illegally and had not been given permission to stay in the UK indefinitely.
What this has to do with "non white" people, perhaps you can enlighten us?
What does happen "in reality" then?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
So what. You're naive if you think that's how it is in reality. Whatever your beloved passport regulations of your beloved Brits say.
If you don't know, leave you to read up on all the thousands and thousands of cases eg. Commonwealth citizens who are denied the right to join their own families.
You definitely need to get out more though. Or do you do a side gig for the Brits Passport Office?
;)