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Where do you get your figures from? How alarmed should i be and how should i show it on here? I know what is happening at the club and i take things as they are and its not as bad as the shells heads and others want it to be ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.
If you are going to post something then at least make it new and constructive ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Dont forget how shells ended up in division one. Spending money they didnt have on a dream that didnt work and the glory hunters that went along with it deserting them. Shells arent doing that great now they are spending within their means now are they? Fingal are spending money they have and will build a squad with that be it on a big budget or a small one. Its a good approach and nothing to be alarmed at.
I knew I made a mistake on that figure. Gaaahhhhh!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Anyway, 750k has been removed from your budget. How are you going to soak that up?
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Originally Posted by OneForTheFuture
Up until a number of years ago, the term "proud Munster man" wouldn't have been understood either. You were either from Cork, Limerick etc. Now, when it comes to rugby, people say it all the time.
I think you'll find a large difference between an average foofball and eggchasing fan. Most eggchasers have no sense of tribal identity. They are open to the creation of amalgaamated clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
I bring my sons to Oriel Park because my father did, and his father did etc. I doubt I'm alone here.
You cant remove something that wasnt there in the first place. Every club's budget changes and ours isnt any diffrent. Read the thread, ive given an answer plenty of times on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't be holed to read 29 pages of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
If it wasn't there in the first place, why is this thread here? And why was Gannon paying money into the club? Where was that money going?
He put in 750,000. Fingal came out with -75,000. What is going on?
So what you're saying is that you knew about Gannon pulling out in advance? Is that what you meant when you posted this?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Because I always think that the loss of your biggest sponsor makes for a stronger club too. But then, I dropped business studies after the Junior Cert.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
I don't think many, if any, will have pride in their County Council. It was a good move by Fingal CCA to look at creating a club for their region and promoting the game in the area. All areas need an identity. Fingal and it's surrounding areas have theirs already I'm sure, not everyone will buy into the club and what its about. It's great Fingal CCA have looked at creating a club for the region. Not many around the country seem to from what I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneForTheFuture
Your club is staring it's possible extinction in the face and you want to discuss something with more "relevance" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Thats actually too funny :D
Wednesday July 14th the Government passes a bill to de-zone land from residential use because there is nowhere near enough demand for it. See this article:Quote:
Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...274739688.html
The very same day Fingal County Council votes to give the go ahead for the development of a brand new Neighbourhood on 270 acres, most of which is owned by Gerry Gannon. See here:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...274649384.html
This thread is about Fingal. I think you will find that Spudulika is not a fingal fan. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
Just because you dont, doesnt mean that there isnt others who do.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneForTheFuture
As I said earlier, which you seem to have ignored, that the club was part of trying to help build an identity for Fingal and I commend the council for trying to do something positive for its region, My region.
The idea for the club was a very positive one. A slower more organic build might have been the better way to go but the reasons for the club existing are sound.
It was a very positive idea. It's a pity more areas of the country aren't doing the same. Back to back European qualification has been a great achievement by the club.
Isn't there a helpline for you to go to? I mean, addiction to past missed promotions might be difficult, blaming others is the first hurdle to remove before you can then find salvation and peace. Either that or in the immortal words of the current Ipswich boss - get over it. Life's too short to go looking for other clubs to fail, because karma has a way of coming back to bite you on the a@@, and the next time around your beloveds might not get so lucky!Quote:
Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne
Sorry hairy bowsie, my own boys are still in the Premier, hopefully remaining there instead of spending another period in the wilderness alongside "giants", though nobody knows what's around the corner and I certainly never thought I'd be watching Dundalk below the Premier. It may sound odd, but I don't actively want other clubs to fail because of my own clubs failings, that always seen a tad pathetic.
For non-Dublin people it might be news that the county has a number of identities, it used to be 2 (North and South), now with West Dublin/Tallaght etc, there is another element. However the GAA have recognised the entity that is Fingal, maybe that irks some of the garrison game followers :-)
In bold: I accept that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc
In itallic: It must be just a Swords, Lusk, Rush thing cause it's only a 2 monthly newsletter round here.
And you are right of course about a slower growth.
Lep - thanks for the reply to my questions, as much as I admire both you and lampers enthuasiastic posts here about your club I really think you have to accept that your club has gone as far as it will ever go, and next season will see a totally different set up - infact how can you even pretend that you can be competitive unless Gannon has pre paid for another season upfront.
I didnt agree one bit about the set up of the club, i was a little interested when I heard about the possible move to Rush or Lusk, but that never took off, and apart from a tidy side to look at the club never made an impression with the public with home crowds frequently under 1,000, I thought they actually devalued the Premier Division at times. It was a totally pointless project in my view.
Next season, a top 5 of the two Rovers, Pats, Dundalk & Derry has a nice look to it in terms of quality, fans and tradition, Bohs are the obvious ones to miss here, but they will be back at some point.
Well at least your starting to be a bit realistic, last week you were telling us that Fingal will definitely win the league next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
*GOING OFF TOPIC ALERT*
Legendz, Inchicore is part of Dublin City Council area but its still south of the Liffey so thats enough to call it South Dublin for me and we haven't been whoring ourselves around the Northside for most of the last 25 years
The biggest sponsor at the time but not the only one and not the last.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I think you have posted on the wrong thread there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
Cool, this backs up my point. Shamrock Rovers is the only club in the SDCC area. I understand about south of the river being South Dublin, I was just speaking of the South Dublin CC region. My understanding is that the SDCC have been helping them somewhat, with the ground I believe. It's good that the council are helping the game of soccer in their area. I would see the Fingal move as something similar. Oriel could be right about Sp. Fingal but just for the moment. At this time without the financial backing, they probably have gone about as far as they can. The club should be able to survive though if they go back to basics and the reason the club was created is a sound one. While their move to Lusk might not happen in the near future, I think it will happen in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
I wouldn't write off Sporting Fingal. They might drop off a bit for a few seasons but Dundalk have before as well and are now making a comeback. Fingal have won the FAI cup more recent than Dundalk as well and higher in the table this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
That should be the top 5 next season alright. Dundalk should be kicking on and pushing for top 3 at least. I'm not sure on Derry as I haven't seen them play this season to be honest. From what I hear, they should be able to challenge in the top half, probably with Pat's for 4th.
Back on Fingal, depending on how things go, I can see them around the relegation play-off zone.
The club will be around for a while yet and will be in the mix of it at the business end of the season. As for the project ,its more than the first team which has been explained plenty of times on here. As for your top 5 then on paper i cant disagree with you and has the makings of a good season but Fingal will have some say about that trust me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Fair play to you Oriel, at least someone on here is discussing it properly :)
I like betting each way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Dundalk and Fingal aren't comparable. Dundalk have a tradition and history of success that has created critical mass of support that can push them back from their low points. The Fingal project was all well and good while someone was there to underwrite their loss making venture. They won't receive that level of excessive funding again and with such a small core fanbase they won't be able to bridge that funding gap with sponsorship even approaching that level. They will recede be it next year or the year after as I'm not sure if the funding is in place to retain their current squad for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Play offs of the Europa :)Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Have you seen the amount of views and replies this thread has had? Sporting Fingal the most talked about club on foot.ie :)
If they drop off, they'll still be there. True they don't have the tradition and history of Dundalk but there's always a place for new clubs as well. The clubs seems to be part of a strategy to develop the game in the Fingal region. It's something that might take time but I think it will happen. The club will drop for a few seasons, possibly to Division One. It will survive, as long as Fingal remain true to developing the game in that region and they probably are going to have to build at a slower rate.
The Lep, if you don't mind, it must be that my brain has turned to mush, middle of exams, but I still don't see how this is all ok.
Where was Gannon's money going to? Who spent it? And on what?
Ha ha, who knows with this new 12 team split division when it comes in. This expanded Division could come at a good time to extend Fingal's stay in the Premier. I'm not looking to write ye off. Worst case scenario, I can't see the club suffering straight relegation anyway. If ye can keep a lot of the squad, I'd see ye more midtable.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Have Fingal county Council made any comment about the future of the club?
All the best in the exams.Quote:
Originally Posted by L.T.F.C.
Yes. It was mentioned at the last council meeting that Sporting Fingal are going supersonic so hold on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
You have posted mainly the way it is really and echo roughly my views. Look back over the past 5 years at the clubs who said they have money matters ahead of a new season and look at them clubs now with Sligo being one of them. People shouldnt lump in Fingal with the money troubles that the likes of Cork,Bohs and drogheda have had or have and think they are doomed on the back of it. A lot of it is wishfull thinking and jump at any chance to run the club down sometimes with playground taunts.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Personally i think its best to wait until the licences have been handed out or not given and see what kind of team we or others have at the start of the season before suggestion the demise of Fingal or any other team.
The Lep, you're not comparable to those clubs for a number of reasons. Bohs and Shels traded off the equity of their only major asset and have run up debts exponentially though current expenditure. Sligo have saved themselves a couple of times via a whip around of their support and locality. The Fingal situation is unique, you spent more cash tan you could reasonably generate on current expenditure since your inception. Fortunately for you its been underwritten by Gannon so far. Up to this point you haven't accumulated much debt. You'll probably cut your cloth accordingly as I'm not sure where you'd access the credit to carry on and you have no major asset to release equity from. This lack of opportunity to run up huge debts and being under the aegis of Fingal Co Co should see your continued existence but at a lower level of operation than you had become accustomed to. The negative impact will probably be partially offset by the decline in the finances of most other clubs around you. Perhaps you know something I don't but I can't imagine it will be expedient politically or otherwise to plough anything like that sum of money into Fingal again.
Agreed poor student ,your post is basically spot on and its what i have said near the start of the thread and repeated throughout, the club will cut its cloth to suit based on what the budget is. At no time have i thought that the money Gannon was putting in was to last forever and neither did the club. I think it was to be for 3 or 5 years so the possibility of him not continuing was always there . Gannon wasnt the only sponsor of the club nor will he be the last . Yes it will make a diffrence to the budget but whats important is that there will be a budget and there will be a Sporting Fingal team in the league next year providing we get that all important licence of course same as the rest but im confidence there isnt any issue there.
I can see a lot of it is wishful thinking to run the club down. I clearly have no interest in that. With the lack of financial backing as far as I can see, I'd have to agree with Poor Student to a degree regards not having accumulated much debt thanks to Gannon, ye will most likely as he points out have to cut ye're cloth accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
As things stand at the moment without the financial backing that has been there, there is going to be a slide somewhat. I could wait until the licences and I'm sure I'll comment then but for the moment a slide looks like but the club will survive and bounce back.
Again i agree but the players we have still under contract are quality players that will prevent that slide next season but we will have to wait for the following season when they are out of contract to see how we fare in the league. Im sure that whatever the budget may be that Liam will want to put out a competative side in the league and cups and you dont really big name players to achieve that .
Where is the money coming from to pay them? Down 750k plus for sponsorship and down 33% on gate receipts (unless your attendances improve)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
That's it, if ye have quality players on ye're books as you say, ye'll be fine next year. It's down to the game then and how ye get on. Ye'll be playing in five competitions next season. The club's profile is going to be growing all the time every season. You know far more on this than I do, I've heard the club in some respects lost it's way somewhat with some supporters. If the club can get back a bit more to basics and the sound reason the club is here representing Fingal, the future can be bright for the club. I'm sure the club will be looking forward to another European campaign as well. There's a few sources of income that can come the club's way over the next year, strengthening the clubs position and softening any blow from the loss of Gannon's backing.
Money is already there to pay them. Down 750k down 33% on gate receipts ? Have you made sure them figures are correct before posting them or did you just read it somewhere and belive it to be true? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Whatever about the morality of the Fingal situation, Gannon's tenure as chairman has been a success - he's given the club large, non-refundable loans on the condition that it spends them and grows as a club. The club has grown its fanbase, won the Cup, performed well in Europe and earned a Europa League spot for next year. The club will have to downsize but it's now a much more viable entity than it was at the time of its foundation.