Win World Cup or Win All Ireland

[Drumcondra 69er]

Whelan is a dirty player, I think Kennealy is just a guy who got wound up too much and did something stupid that he was lucky to get away with.

Kerry are usually a clean team, it'd be very rare you'd see something like that from a Kerry player, you'd expect it from a team like Dublin.

Ha ha ha! Are you for real? Obviously a WUM and this really is the wrong forum but what the hell, I'll bite.

Paul Galvin is one of the dirtiest players playing today, he puts Whelan in the shade when it comes to cynicism. The gooch is a great player but he's also a windy little fcuker who goes to ground at the slightest touch and stays there until he recieves treatment. He's up there with Ronaldo. And he's not the only one, Kerry players dive constantly and stay down for treatment to break up the play. They're masters at gamesmanship and it's embarrassing to watch at times. I've seem games where they've had nearly as many trainers, water carriers (hello Kieran Donaghy!) and miscelaneous backroom staff on the field as they've had players! Clean team?!

[republicofwhite]

Title of this thread, and to even think about posing such a question is the most ludicrous, nonsensical notion ever.

[DeLorean]

Ireland winning the World Cup but I'm from Cork and although we're high profile losers at the minute I'd still expect I'll get to witness them winning a few All Ireland's in my lifetime. If I was from Roscommon, Leitrim, Carlow, etc. I'd imagine my decision would be a lot less clear cut. I take great pride from success of my county and country in most sports really. Cork winning a football All Ireland would definitely mean more to me than Ireland just qualifying for the WC. It'd be fantastic to win the Rugby WC also if only to emulate England's achievement. As for Kennelly, I don't think he's a dirty player so I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, if it was Galvin or Darragh O'Se I would have been more convinced of their intent.

[kingdomkerry]

Ha ha ha! Are you for real? Obviously a WUM and this really is the wrong forum but what the hell, I'll bite.

Paul Galvin is one of the dirtiest players playing today, he puts Whelan in the shade when it comes to cynicism. The gooch is a great player but he's also a windy little fcuker who goes to ground at the slightest touch and stays there until he recieves treatment. He's up there with Ronaldo. And he's not the only one, Kerry players dive constantly and stay down for treatment to break up the play. They're masters at gamesmanship and it's embarrassing to watch at times. I've seem games where they've had nearly as many trainers, water carriers (hello Kieran Donaghy!) and miscelaneous backroom staff on the field as they've had players! Clean team?!

Are you having a laugh????? No even going to defend that bullsh1te. Its obviously your way of dealing with kerrys 17 point victory over dublin this year. The team are awesome. Some players play on the edge thats as far as it goes and every team needs those players.

P.S What did you think of the episode when donaghy came on the field during the kerry dublin match to give some of the players water (dublin and kerry) and your corner back Bastick (spelling?) stamped on donaghys broken foot totally unprovoked. It was the single most dispicable thing ive ever seen in any sport and he should of been banned for life!

[paul_oshea]

Not even the lucid brilliance brought by the sheer ecstasy of winning yesterday can make sense of this topic. The fortunes of Kerry GAA and Ireland influence my mood greatly, but I still struggle to see how you can compare a World Cup to an All-Ireland. I suppose if Ireland had won 36 World Cups and I supported Leitrim it might make more sense.

Yesterday was amazing (and as L37Ultra alludes to there's something to be said for a more local side winning something) but come on, Ireland, little old Ireland, winning the World Cup. Nothing could ever come close - Alexander Shulgin would struggle to concoct anything as powerfully joyous. Alas, it is as fanciful as it would be fantastic. I'll take Option C - real delight over dream delight.


Anyway An Ceannaire, what were the reasons given in your little survey? Was it more of a most-local-is-best thing; or that they were more into one team over the other; or that they preferred the sports, etc; or was there any kind of thought process at all - maybe their answers came simply cos it's All-Ireland season at the moment?

KH you are from kerry, so alluding to being from Leitrim etc is a good analogy. There is always a great chance of your county winning it.

Maybe the original poster needs to include All Ireland Senior Club Championship too Personally my club winning it wouldn't mean the same as Ireland winning the world cup, but thats for as many reasons as anything else.

Its funny though on here, people would say im a GAA man, but the people I know who love hte GAA would call me a soccer man I dont care either way, but Ireland winning a soccer world cup, even for this fact alone, the whole country would be in it together, you would be sharing it with 4.6 million people, as opposed to circa 100k, surely that in itself should answer the question, unless of course you are a more selfish person

Angel delight for me everytime.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Are you having a laugh????? No even going to defend that bullsh1te. Its obviously your way of dealing with kerrys 17 point victory over dublin this year. The team are awesome. Some players play on the edge thats as far as it goes and every team needs those players.

P.S What did you think of the episode when donaghy came on the field during the kerry dublin match to give some of the players water (dublin and kerry) and your corner back Bastick (spelling?) stamped on donaghys broken foot totally unprovoked. It was the single most dispicable thing ive ever seen in any sport and he should of been banned for life!

Rewatch the match mate, how often did gooch go down and stay down? How often were there Kerry trainers on the pitch on comparison to Dublin staff? Come back to me afterwards.

The stamp on Donaghy was bad form (even though it didn't really connect) but wtf was he doing coming onto the pitch every few minutes?

To clarify I agree that Kerry are an awesome team on their day and I don't think they need to resort to the gamesmanship but you're wearing green and gold blinkers if you're denying it exists.

And the 'single most dispicable thing ive ever seen in any sport'??? Don't make me laugh! What about Schumacher in the 82 world cup semi or Roy Keane on Alfie Haaland?? You really need to get out more if that's your honest opinion.

[paul_oshea]

1.Ireland win the WC
2.Kerry win the All Ireland (for the 37th time)
3.Ireland qualify for the world cup.

Have barstool supporter friends who said they would prefer liverpool to win the epl more than Ireland to win the world cup. Its so pathetic and sad!

Was over in Burt Co. Donegal a few weeks ago at a wedding. Went into the bar, liverpool were on TV, sat down with pint in hand, and watched a bit of the match, after a few minutes I noticed this fella sitting at the bar. That old green liverpool jersey was being worn by said individual. Double take looked at the writing where kids generally get their names on the back, he had the words "semtex" written on the jersey. I'm sure the irony was completely lost on him, thats the funniest part. Had I not been at the wedding I would have explained it to him. Anyway no one else seemed to take any notice, maybe that was the strangest thing of all.

[paul_oshea]

AHH so you admit you just come on this site to ARGUE and annoy??

Well i would'nt consider you much of a fan of the International team if,as you have stated,you would rather ur county win the respective GAA titles and the Rugby team to win ahead of us Winning the world cup?..hardly the thoughts of a true fan of the team..and also what about ur problems with the "Irishness" of the team?...and the lack of "community"??
as always i look foward to ur response.

oh and to answer your last question I HAVE NO IDEA why you come on here.

Lads, most of the people Ive met away at matches have a love for GAA and Association Fotball. Many have also said to me that they would prefer their county winning an All ireland over Ireland qualifying for a world cup, but its a very close call between winning a world cup and winning an All-Ireland.

Ireland winning the World Cup but I'm from Cork and although we're high profile losers at the minute I'd still expect I'll get to witness them winning a few All Ireland's in my lifetime. If I was from Roscommon, Leitrim, Carlow, etc. I'd imagine my decision would be a lot less clear cut. I take great pride from success of my county and country in most sports really. Cork winning a football All Ireland would definitely mean more to me than Ireland just qualifying for the WC. It'd be fantastic to win the Rugby WC also if only to emulate England's achievement. As for Kennelly, I don't think he's a dirty player so I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, if it was Galvin or Darragh O'Se I would have been more convinced of their intent.

Having attended the All Ireland final and finals before, and manys a GAA game, and manys a soccer game, and met many different people from all parts of the country through both, I will say(ant though many wont want to agree - ill be arrogant even if only from my experience) that this is the thinking of the majority of Ireland Football supporters.

I dont know what it would be like for me to see Roscommon win an All-Ireland, or for Ireland to win a world cup, as i really cant imagine it happening, however I could never miss an Ireland soccer game, I could miss a Roscommon gaelic match(championship that is)

[First]

Is that a joke? Beating Tipperary and Kilkenny in a sport played by relatively nobody, or beating England, Spain, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Argentina et al in the most popular sport played by hundreds of millions of people in front of a global audience of billions in every corner of the globe?

What was that quote from In Bruges? "Maybe if I was retarded, or grew up on a farm...."

Going by the amount of Thanks you received I am guessing you are a sheep ...............

[Mayo Red]

No contest, Ireland to win the World Cup over an All-Ireland win any day!! Anyways, Ireland have a better chance of winning a World Cup than Mayo have of ever winning an All-Ireland again!!

Also, Rovers to win the FAI Cup over an All-Ireland Win......here's hoping!!

[bennocelt]

For me its actually wanting to see a LOI team in the CL group stages, and after that Mullingar Town finally getting their act together and entering (or allowed!) - a senior team in the LOI - jesus it would be great to welcome Rover Ultras and Bohs BBs to Dalton Park...............(by the way no rugby played here)

I follow the LOi, have lost interest in Oireland in the football, Rugby is good on the day and was good to stick it to my English friends when Ireland won the 6 nations, and gah is something you might look at while waiting for the news at 6.1

[kingdomkerry]

Rewatch the match mate, how often did gooch go down and stay down? How often were there Kerry trainers on the pitch on comparison to Dublin staff? Come back to me afterwards.

The stamp on Donaghy was bad form (even though it didn't really connect) but wtf was he doing coming onto the pitch every few minutes?

To clarify I agree that Kerry are an awesome team on their day and I don't think they need to resort to the gamesmanship but you're wearing green and gold blinkers if you're denying it exists.

And the 'single most dispicable thing ive ever seen in any sport'??? Don't make me laugh! What about Schumacher in the 82 world cup semi or Roy Keane on Alfie Haaland?? You really need to get out more if that's your honest opinion.

Oh id have no problem watching that match over and over again. I could'nt care less how long one teams trainers are on the pitch. So what?

Donaghy was on the pitch as a moar uisce, it was probably the only way he felt he could help out the team since he was injured.

As for dispicable moments in sport, I was'nt born till '83 so I did'nt see the 1982 wc.

Roy Keanes tackle was nasty but at lease it was against an opposition player who was actually playing and not a team official.

P.S the "most dispicable thing ive seen in sport" was probably a slight exageration. Cantona vs fan probably gets that title. (although i must admit i enjoyed it at the same time)

[holidaysong]

The WC obviously.

Anyway, Louth winning the All-Ireland would make people from Drogheda happy as well as people from Dundalk so it'd cancel out any joy I could get from it..

[Cymro]

Rubbish you cant really play rugby or Gaelic football without goalposts, whereas with football you can have as they say jumpers for goalposts.

Yeah, but with jumpers for goalposts you get the old 'no goal, it was
over/would have hit the side of the post and gone in/out/would have hit the side netting/would have been cleared by the invisible defender on the line who doesn't actually exist but who we count as such because one side has more players than the other, etc, arguments. I've played rugby without goalposts - most tries wins, simple as that.

In Ireland in the main rugby is a middle class and uppper sport with the exception of Limerick. This is the same for England and Scotland. Maybe not so much Wales and New Zealand. Football is the biggest sport in the world by a mile. Htere are always going to be exceptions but in general the crux of my argument is through and your nitpicking does not really disprove my main points.

The examples you give are all context-sensitive, and in most cases are due to a tradition of playing that sport in that country. Generally speaking, there is no inherent reason why football should be considered more egalitarian than most other ball games.

[bennocelt]

Yeah, but with jumpers for goalposts you get the old 'no goal, it was
over/would have hit the side of the post and gone in/out/would have hit the side netting/would have been cleared by the invisible defender on the line who doesn't actually exist but who we count as such because one side has more players than the other, etc, arguments. I've played rugby without goalposts - most tries wins, simple as that.



The examples you give are all context-sensitive, and in most cases are due to a tradition of playing that sport in that country. Generally speaking, there is no inherent reason why football should be considered more egalitarian than most other ball games.

yeah man but you are from Wales!!!!!!!!!!!!!