Anti-vaxxers

[pineapple stu]

FIFA's rules were based on the fact that there was a worldwide emergency. Why would the Government get involved when appropriate action had already been taken by the appropriate body?

I wonder is "dumbass" still a suitable word on foot after all these years? Cos it's getting fairly close to having to be trotted out here.

[seanfhear]

FIFA's rules were based on the fact that there was a worldwide emergency. Why would the Government get involved when appropriate action had already been taken by the appropriate body?

I wonder is "dumbass" still a suitable word on foot after all these years? Cos it's getting fairly close to having to be trotted out here.

You are getting a mite touchy there.

[pineapple stu]

Another post without a point seanfhear.

One of these days you might make a point we can discuss

[sadloserkid]

todays figures 67% of people in hospital are unvacinated while the same bunch of gob****es represent only 8% of the population.
Even csad might have a problem dismissing those facts.

He appears to have vanished upon Tet's last graph regarding deaths in Sweden.

[mark12345]

I'm not forcing anyone to be vaccinated.

I am saying it is profoundly stupid, ignorant, selfish, and dangerous for more people than just you to choose not to be vaccinated.

Stu, the virus can be deadly but so can the vaccine. Some (particularly young people) have gotten miocarditis (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) which is fluid around the heart after getting the shot. Many others have died and the authorities in many countries will not release those figures. If we had full disclosure on all things related to the virus then perhaps people would be more willing to take the shot. In addition there are treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine which have proved really effective (Ivermectin reportedly stopped the virus dead in its tracks in some Indian provinces) in combating the virus. Yet the authorities keep this under wraps. Why? What is their motive?

[tetsujin1979]

Stu, the virus can be deadly but so can the vaccine. Some (particularly young people) have gotten miocarditis (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) which is fluid around the heart after getting the shot. Many others have died and the authorities in many countries will not release those figures. If we had full disclosure on all things related to the virus then perhaps people would be more willing to take the shot. In addition there are treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine which have proved really effective (Ivermectin reportedly stopped the virus dead in its tracks in some Indian provinces) in combating the virus. Yet the authorities keep this under wraps. Why? What is their motive?

How can you know about figures that haven't been released?

[pineapple stu]

Ah, the old "the vaccine kills people too" lark.

With no evidence whatsoever of course, and with a completely unsubstantiated suggestion of conspiracy from the authorities.

Give me patience...

[mark12345]

Ah, the old "the vaccine kills people too" lark.

With no evidence whatsoever of course, and with a completely unsubstantiated suggestion of conspiracy from the authorities.

Give me patience...

No, I think I'm the one that needs patience.

[mark12345]

Waste of time even trying to discuss this.

[pineapple stu]

You're not trying to discuss it.

If you were trying to discuss it, you would be able to give some sort of evidence to support your view (like Tets and I have done for our views)

But you've got nothing (just like CSAD and seanfhear before you)

[sbgawa]

Could mark12345 , Seanfear or CSAD just explain why 67% of people in hospital are unvaccinated but only 8% of the population are unvacinated.
No prevarication , no deflection, no anecdotes about vaccine efficacy just explain this simple stat released by the HSE.

Q silence or a new conspiracy theory about the vaccinated are being treated in a secret underground hospital in the Midlands to hide the numbers ...

[pineapple stu]

Almost 50 ICU beds being occupied completely needlessly, taking away resources which could instead be used reducing waiting lists.

[John83]

In addition there are treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine which have proved really effective (Ivermectin reportedly stopped the virus dead in its tracks in some Indian provinces) in combating the virus. Yet the authorities keep this under wraps. Why? What is their motive?

Here's the Indian Council of Medical Research saying that the evidence from trials and metastudies for either of the drugs you mentioned is far too weak to use them outside of clinical trials.

https://www.icmr.gov.in/pdf/covid/techdoc/Considerations_for_Exclusion_of_IVM_and_HCQ.pdf

But hey, what do they know? They're only the best doctors in India reading extensive medical trial data.

[samhaydenjr]

Stu, the virus can be deadly but so can the vaccine. Some (particularly young people) have gotten miocarditis (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) which is fluid around the heart after getting the shot. Many others have died and the authorities in many countries will not release those figures. If we had full disclosure on all things related to the virus then perhaps people would be more willing to take the shot. In addition there are treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine which have proved really effective (Ivermectin reportedly stopped the virus dead in its tracks in some Indian provinces) in combating the virus. Yet the authorities keep this under wraps. Why? What is their motive?

One minute on Google and I found this:

The Clalit-Beilinson study analyzed medical information from 2.5 million members of the healthcare provider who vaccinated with Pfizer. Some 54 cases of myocarditis were recorded, 76% of which were classified as mild, 22% intermediate. One case presented severe symptoms.
Men were more likely to present the side effect than women (4.12 compared to 0.23 every 100,000 individuals). The group with the highest incidence was young men between 16-29, with 10.69 cases per 100,000 persons.

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/risk-of-myocarditis-very-minor-from-covid-vaccine-israeli-research-shows-681389

One serious (I believe non-fatal) case in 2.5 million. Meanwhile COVID has killed 700,000 Americans and probably left 5-10 million with long-term health problems. If the United States had the same death rate as Canada (and our response wasn't perfect), then 400000-500000 Americans would still be alive. At this point, the actions of those who have opposed and defied lockdowns, masking and vaccines can be accurately described as Collective Mass Murder

Almost 50 ICU beds being occupied completely needlessly, taking away resources which could instead be used reducing waiting lists.

Totally agree

[dahamsta]

I’ve given you some information to search now get to work, I found it so you can too.

That's not how it works here. Read this post before you post in CA again. Next time you make a claim, back it up with evidence or don't post it.