Anti-vaxxers

[osarusan]

I had no idea he is not planning to get vaccinated. I wouldn't go so far as to call him an anti-vaxxer (he's not spouting conspiracy theory nonsense), but it seems very strange for a guy that has caught Covid twice now, and doesn't seem to have any real reason for it, or none that he wants to go public with anyway.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/callum-robinson-committed-to-his-no-vaccination-stance-1.4692146

Robinson repeated the line about “personal choice” before adding “it is what it is”.

“That’s my choice at this moment in time.”

Some people might think that is unusual, given your second dose of Covid?

“Yeah of course, as I said, it’s obviously annoying that I’ve caught it twice but I haven’t been vaccinated. Further down the line I could change my mind and want to do it but at this moment in time I haven’t been vaccinated, no.”

Why not?

“I just haven’t, I just haven’t done it. I know, as you said, there are managers and people that will want you to do it which is right in their way, the way they think, but everyone has their choice and what they want to do. I wouldn’t force people to do it, it’s your choice and your body.”

When it was explained to Robinson that the vaccine would have given him an enormous statistical chance of avoiding infection the second time, and thus being available to play in Portugal, he repeated: “I know but as I said that was my choice, I haven’t been vaccinated. That’s where I’m at at the moment. Things might change where I want to get vaccinated, I want to do it, but at this moment in time I haven’t made that decision.”

[seanfhear]

I had no idea he is not planning to get vaccinated. I wouldn't go so far as to call him an anti-vaxxer (he's not spouting conspiracy theory nonsense), but it seems very strange for a guy that has caught Covid twice now, and doesn't seem to have any real reason for it, or none that he wants to go public with anyway.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...ance-1.4692146

Fortunately people are allowed to choose freely what to do with their body. I have no desire to live in a Communist / Fascist State. I am vaccinated by the way but freely chose to do that myself. His body ~ His choice.

[pineapple stu]

I had no idea he is not planning to get vaccinated. I wouldn't go so far as to call him an anti-vaxxer (he's not spouting conspiracy theory nonsense), but it seems very strange for a guy that has caught Covid twice now, and doesn't seem to have any real reason for it, or none that he wants to go public with anyway.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...ance-1.4692146

I don't know if not spouting conspiracy theory nonsense publicly makes him not an anti-vaxxer. There was a report recently showing that only around 35% of Premier League players are vaccinated, and anti-vaxx theories abound in the dressing room it seems.

Jurgen Klopp has likened it to drink driving because anti-vaxx stances don't just impact on you, and he's entirely correct. It's an incredibly selfish mé-féin sort of attitude to take unless you have some sort of valid medical reason not to take a vaccine.

[seanfhear]

I don't know if not spouting conspiracy theory nonsense publicly makes him not an anti-vaxxer. There was a report recently showing that only around 35% of Premier League players are vaccinated, and anti-vaxx theories abound in the dressing room it seems.

Jurgen Klopp has likened it to drink driving because anti-vaxx stances don't just impact on you, and he's entirely correct. It's an incredibly selfish mé-féin sort of attitude to take unless you have some sort of valid medical reason not to take a vaccine.

One would think that Premier League footballers can afford to get the Very Best Medical Advice.

[pineapple stu]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, it would appear.

The Mail gives the example of Newcastle keeper Karl Darlow, who was hospitalised with covid, lost two stone in weight and was out of shape for weeks afterwards (fortunately for him it was pre-season), but still Newcastle have less than half of their players vaccinated.

I think it's more likely that footballers are massive idiots.

[lofty9]

I'm sure these footballers are heavily insured due to injuires etc. I wonder if there will be a change of attitude if insurance companies raise their premiums to unvaccinated players?
Probably not though to multi millionaires.

[seanfhear]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, it would appear.

The Mail gives the example of Newcastle keeper Karl Darlow, who was hospitalised with covid, lost two stone in weight and was out of shape for weeks afterwards (fortunately for him it was pre-season), but still Newcastle have less than half of their players vaccinated.

I think it's more likely that footballers are massive idiots.

And yet People choose to fanatically follow these Players.

[pineapple stu]

Yes - another reason why it's incredibly selfish to think that refusing to get a vaccine affects you and nobody else.

[Diggs246]

Its outrageous, he could kill someone
he could also catch it for the 3rd time and give it to our other players who will then be unavailable for selection.
He has stated that its a personal choice, so its not like a medical expert has advised him not to take it.
the selfish pr**k has missed 8 out of the last 13 international matches ( I understand because of covid!)

[seanfhear]

Yes - another reason why it's incredibly selfish to think that refusing to get a vaccine affects you and nobody else.

A person's private medical situation should be the preserve of each individual. I have no desire to live in a totalitarian Communist / fascist state.

[seanfhear]

Its outrageous, he could kill someone
he could also catch it for the 3rd time and give it to our other players who will then be unavailable for selection.
He has stated that its a personal choice, so its not like a medical expert has advised him not to take it.
the selfish pr**k has missed 8 out of the last 13 international matches ( I understand because of covid!)

The Irish management are free to pick him for squads or not to pick him.

[John83]

A person's private medical situation should be the preserve of each individual. I have no desire to live in a totalitarian Communist / fascist state.

Tell that to Typhoid Mary.

[pineapple stu]

A person's private medical situation should be the preserve of each individual. I have no desire to live in a totalitarian Communist / fascist state.

That is incredibly selfish of you, when you consider that vaccine efficiency is dependent on a critical mass of people being vaccinated. It's not sufficient to say I'm vaccinated therefore I'm fine. Everyone becomes safer the more people are vaccinated.

But unfortunately you don't seem to have any sort of rational argument to back up your view (probably because there is none), so I suspect this conversation won't really be all that productive.

[tetsujin1979]

A person's private medical situation should be the preserve of each individual. I have no desire to live in a totalitarian Communist / fascist state.

That's already the case, medical information is protected under GDPR. Robinson provided his status, it wasn't released without his consent.

[seanfhear]

That is incredibly selfish of you, when you consider that vaccine efficiency is dependent on a critical mass of people being vaccinated. It's not sufficient to say I'm vaccinated therefore I'm fine. Everyone becomes safer the more people are vaccinated.

But unfortunately you don't seem to have any sort of rational argument to back up your view (probably because there is none), so I suspect this conversation won't really be all that productive.

Only in a Communist / Fascist state would you force People to be vaccinated. Fortunately we do not live in such a state. You win the arguments for vaccination but in a free Country ~ People have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. That’s almost the definition of a Free Country.