Referendum on the 8th amendment.

[osarusan]

Based on the recommendation of the Attorney General to the government, it seems now that the choices on the ballot will be either to:


a) leave the amendment as it is

or

b) repeal it and replace it with a provision explicitly giving the Oireachtas power to legislate on the issue.


The current train of thought seems to be that the legislation would permit abortion on request until 12 weeks.

The main sticking point seems to be the issue of abortion on request (unsurprisingly), with abortion for other reasons (fatal foetal abnormality, threat to the life or health of the woman, cases of rape or incest) not looking as contentious at all.

The campaigning is going to be brutally ugly I'd imagine, and I wonder how it will turn out. There seems to be a sense among some pro-choice campaigners that the result of the same sex marriage campaign is an indicator of this referendum too, but I'd be wary of relying on that.

[backstothewall]

I think it was always going to pass but the images of hope and happiness in the campaign for equal marriage helped them run up the score imho.

This is very different. No matter what the circumstances There is no confetti on the way out of an abortion clinic. Those happy images are not available in this campaign.

This will be ugly.

[dahamsta]

I haven't involved myself in politics in a long time, but I'll be out with the spray paint and scissors for this one. The anti-abortionists (I'm a pro-abortionist thanks, I'll pass on the namby-pamby pro-choice tag) are animals with their posters. I'll hack down everything I can reach, and I'll deface everything I can't.

[Real ale Madrid]

(I'm a pro-abortionist thanks, I'll pass on the namby-pamby pro-choice tag)

You can pro-choice without being pro-abortion.

[dahamsta]

I'm fighting for the woman's right to choose not to have an abortion. And I want you all to call me Loretta.

[bennocelt]

I am pro life, but with a lot of the political threads here I guess this will be another one sided echo chamber. This will be fun

[Gather round]

I am pro life, but with a lot of the political threads here I guess this will be another one sided echo chamber. This will be fun

There are one-sided politics threads on here?

So can anyone point me to latest polls on this issue? Ta

[OwlsFan]

I haven't involved myself in politics in a long time, but I'll be out with the spray paint and scissors for this one. The anti-abortionists (I'm a pro-abortionist thanks, I'll pass on the namby-pamby pro-choice tag) are animals with their posters. I'll hack down everything I can reach, and I'll deface everything I can't.

I haven't seen the posters. What's offensive about them ?

[DannyInvincible]

I am pro life

Do you oppose the permission of choice in all circumstances or would you provide for exceptions? And how would you prefer to see your position enforced?

[backstothewall]

I am pro life, but with a lot of the political threads here I guess this will be another one sided echo chamber. This will be fun

I'd be broadly pro-life as well

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[nigel-harps1954]

Is it something about Belfast Celtic that makes people backwards?

[backstothewall]

Is it something about Belfast Celtic that makes people backwards?

It's possibly a result of too many bank holiday weekends spent in Donegal.

[BonnieShels]

I think it was always going to pass but the images of hope and happiness in the campaign for equal marriage helped them run up the score imho.

This is very different. No matter what the circumstances There is no confetti on the way out of an abortion clinic. Those happy images are not available in this campaign.

This will be ugly.

There's no confetti on a Ryanair flight back from John Lennon Airport either.

Irish abortions happen, they just don'y happen in Ireland. For me it's a no-brainer. And that's long before I even get to the whole bodily autonomy thing.

Is it something about Belfast Celtic that makes people backwards?

For a long time after I joined Foot.ie I sometimes thought it was one guy replying to his own posts. In a mypost, space cadet kinda way.

[backstothewall]

There's no confetti on a Ryanair flight back from John Lennon Airport either.

Irish abortions happen, they just don'y happen in Ireland. For me it's a no-brainer. And that's long before I even get to the whole bodily autonomy thing.

No doubt. But neither is there any doubt that the only side of this debate who have access to anything approaching the images associated with the hopeful images of the equal marriage referendum are the anti-repeal side. That is, they can show us pictures of newborn babies. They can put happy smiley people with Down Syndrome on camera. They have an advantage in that regard.

I'm not sure how i would vote if i had one. One one hand I am broadly pro-life as i said above, but on the other I don't think this issue has any business being addressed in the constitution of any country. It would probably depend on the question being asked on the ballot and the legislation being proposed.

For a long time after I joined Foot.ie I sometimes thought it was one guy replaying to his own posts. In a mypost, space cadet kinda way.

If the reaction to me changing my username is anything to go by, I'm not changing it.

[BonnieShels]

No doubt. But neither is there any doubt that the only side of this debate who have access to anything approaching the images associated with the hopeful images of the equal marriage referendum are the anti-repeal side. That is, they can show us pictures of newborn babies. They can put happy smiley people with Down Syndrome on camera. They have an advantage in that regard.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Those who are convinced by pictures of smiling babies are seeking an excuse to deny rights to women. The Repeal campaign can rely on informing people of what is actually at stake and not resorting to shouting down the crazies. Lessons were learned from the Marriage Equality campaign in that regard. And by crazies I mean those that use Christian dogma to make their decisions.

I'm not sure how i would vote if i had one. One one hand I am broadly pro-life as i said above, but on the other I don't think this issue has any business being addressed in the constitution of any country. It would probably depend on the question being asked on the ballot and the legislation being proposed.

I'm worried that repealing the Eighth will be tied to the state of the legislation that's proposed. I feel they need to be separated though that's not realistic.

The Constitution is absolutely not the place for this and on that basis alone it needs to go.

Personally, everytime I think of an aspect of this issue in the singular, it's a repeal for me. So when it's all brought together there's no doubt I'd vote to repeal.

If the reaction to me changing my username is anything to go by, I'm not changing it.

Listen Walsall... the people spoke!

Adam will no doubt gloss over your temerity and reinstate your REAL name as soon as you give the go ahead.