Republic of Ireland V France - Monday, 27th March 2023 - Euro 2024 Qualifier

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

I’m not insecure about anything. I just think it’s pointless arguing whether it’s too corner or near the top corner. We all saw what happened. It was a very good header and a great save. Any other sane forum would just accept that, but here the professional miserabilists have taken over as usual. Not just on this issue but the whole game.

And as for the “you’d swear we won” claim. Beyond pathetic.

I think being called begrudgers and being told that we are actually up for the other team is beyond pathetic. And just because some aren't fawning over this defeat.

[Stuttgart88]

I think being called begrudgers and being told that we are actually up for the other team is beyond pathetic..

So take it up with those who accused you of being up for the other team then.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone decry the scoring of goals from set pieces. As for having Duffy on the bench (I thought he was injured anyway ?) I don’t think he could have done more than Nathan Collins did with his header. We also had Egan on the pitch, who has scored from corners.

Go back to lumping it on top of Duffy's head is the cry from some of those who think hoofball is the only alternative to Kenny.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

So take it up with those who accused you of being up for the other team then.

Really not worth it but was interesting that you only signalled out some opinions for being pathetic and not others.

[Supreme feet]

Boomers, was last night's performance that of a competently-managed and coached team? If not, why not exactly?

Were we motivated and spirited? Was there a sense of purpose and cohesion? Did we suffer from a lack of attacking ambition or defensive organisation? Were there any contentious selections or substitutions that negatively impacted the team? Was there anything, specifically, that a 'competent manager' would have done differently?

[Kingdom]

Ya Evan pointed to him, to play it across the box into the middle, Ogbene took the easy option. He should have gone another couple of yards using his pace to make that ball in front of Ferguson easier to make its target(between penalty spot and 6 yard box). Ferguson had about 2-3 metres on anyone and a big open space to run into. It was very disappointing. I guess that Ogbene isnt quite at that level. If that was France it was a goal, into Giroud. Ferguson needs good supply like Giroud does for France to be effective. That was fairly apparent last night, thats where his strength is and his running showed it throughout last night.

That's not what I meant at all. He showed have played the ball in front of Ferguson earlier than he crossed it. that would have forced the pavard to come across sooner, leaving space for a roll across to Knight, or a pull back for Molumby, or perhaps a shot himself.

[zero]

I told my mates before the game that I felt a coming of age performance was due soon. I think they were close to delivering it. I’m not ashamed to say I saw positives in defeat but defeat it was, and that hurts as it always does. Of course we’ll only know in the next 8 months whether this group actually do come of age, but I think you have to say that most of the younger lads put in high quality individual performances. They deserve credit for that.

Agree - everyone involved last night deserves credit. A proper gameplan and judicious use of the bench, that the subs could have been a little earlier is a relatively minor quibble.

But as you imply, a loss in Greece and it feels like we are almost back to square one (again).

[TonyD]

I think being called begrudgers and being told that we are actually up for the other team is beyond pathetic. And just because some aren't fawning over this defeat.

And again with the hyperbolic language. “Fawning over defeat”. What most people are acknowledging is that we put in a very good performance against the best team in Europe. Saying that they were “in second gear” “there for the taking” etc is nonsense.

[tetsujin1979]

Boomers, was last night's performance that of a competently-managed and coached team? If not, why not exactly?

Were we motivated and spirited? Was there a sense of purpose and cohesion? Did we suffer from a lack of attacking ambition or defensive organisation? Were there any contentious selections or substitutions that negatively impacted the team? Was there anything, specifically, that a 'competent manager' would have done differently?

I, too, would like answers to these questions. Within 24 hours.

[Nesta99]

Top corner

Castore are really pulling out the stops with the arrow pointing to goal for us!

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Boomers, was last night's performance that of a competently-managed and coached team? If not, why not exactly?

Were we motivated and spirited? Was there a sense of purpose and cohesion? Did we suffer from a lack of attacking ambition or defensive organisation? Were there any contentious selections or substitutions that negatively impacted the team? Was there anything, specifically, that a 'competent manager' would have done differently?

This is the problem. It's all about Kenny. The performance last night was a backs to the wall defensive effort with some counter attack options and finally some pressure at the end through set pieces. We've seen this numerous times before through different managers. It wasn't anything special Kenny invented. The players deserve enormous credit for putting everything on the line, a number of them ran themselves into the ground. They are much better than their manager would have us believe. They are who's important and who the attention should be on. They've been let down the last few years and it's hard to break out of a losing culture.

When some supporters stop placing a managers survival as a priority instead of our players development, then there can be proper debate on where we're going. At the moment any criticism of defeats is seen as some treacherous action by some. Even some stating that anyone dares criticise must be up for the other team. It's not about the defeat was bad news for Ireland, it's about only losing 1-0 was a good result for Kenny. This obsession has to end, it has been very damaging for us.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

And again with the hyperbolic language. “Fawning over defeat”. What most people are acknowledging is that we put in a very good performance against the best team in Europe. Saying that they were “in second gear” “there for the taking” etc is nonsense.

That's what's happening. I've stated it was a very good performance and our best since Denmark but France weren't at their best. Nothing wrong with that.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

I, too, would like answers to these questions. Within 24 hours.

Done.

[pineapple stu]

I’m not insecure about anything. I just think it’s pointless arguing whether it’s too corner or near the top corner. We all saw what happened. It was a very good header and a great save. Any other sane forum would just accept that, but here the professional miserabilists have taken over as usual.

It's an internet forum Stutts. We discuss things. You can either join in the discussion, or not if you want (if you think a discussion is pointless, for example, which is fine). Everyone involved was in agreement it was a very good header and a great save, so the chat was a minor point about where the header was going exactly. Then you chose to come barging in insulting people. That's daft.

Also, who said "You'd swear we won"?

[ontheotherhand]

That's not what I meant at all. He showed have played the ball in front of Ferguson earlier than he crossed it. that would have forced the pavard to come across sooner, leaving space for a roll across to Knight, or a pull back for Molumby, or perhaps a shot himself.

This moment is still haunting me. Ogbene had a great game which had a lot to do with our tactics playing to his strengths but a different player picking up that ball probably sees the move e.g. Smallbone. It just required a weighted pass around the defender as Ferguson had split them beautifully and the distance to the goal was perfect for him to run onto. It was probably our best chance from open play. Sounds weird to say that as we didn't actually create the chance but it was there for us and we missed it.

Just highlights that we have players who can do some things well but not all things well. I'm not sure we will see the best of Ferguson in these types of games because he won't get the service he needs. He might be the key to us breaking down weaker sides though where we can afford to play more creative players around him. He did have one great moment in the first half where he held off 2/3 players long enough to lay the ball off to Knight who was breaking through. Otherwise I can't really remember him being involved in the play much? He did work his socks off without the ball but it's maybe the one tactical thing that was missing. We played more to Ogbene's strengths than to Evan's. Against Greece we will need a different plan obviously and Evan will hopefully be central to it. Johnston might be the one to play with him. He's already gone from impact sub to possible starter in my eyes.....what a difference a few days can make in football...

Sat down with a nice pint last night and was thinking about the fine margins in that game. Their goal was a long ranger that went around the back of Egan (I think?) which unsighted Gav a bit. I think he might have saved it if he hadn't seen it late. He had a good game. We had our own shot from distance at the other end from Knight which looked on target but skimmed off Upemecano's back and went out for a corner. Not saying it would have gone in but he struck it sweetly. Then if Collins gets the ball 3 more inches to the left....