Republic of Ireland V France - Monday, 27th March 2023 - Euro 2024 Qualifier

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  • TonyD
    Seasoned Pro
    • May 2004
    • 2755

    #271
    Originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
    This is the problem. It's all about Kenny. The performance last night was a backs to the wall defensive effort with some counter attack options and finally some pressure at the end through set pieces. We've seen this numerous times before through different managers. It wasn't anything special Kenny invented. The players deserve enormous credit for putting everything on the line, a number of them ran themselves into the ground. They are much better than their manager would have us believe. They are who's important and who the attention should be on. They've been let down the last few years and it's hard to break out of a losing culture.

    When some supporters stop placing a managers survival as a priority instead of our players development, then there can be proper debate on where we're going. At the moment any criticism of defeats is seen as some treacherous action by some. Even some stating that anyone dares criticise must be up for the other team. It's not about the defeat was bad news for Ireland, it's about only losing 1-0 was a good result for Kenny. This obsession has to end, it has been very damaging for us.
    That’s kind of funny, given your own obsession with sacking the manager, and how everything is an opportunity to have a dig. Pots and kettles.
    Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.

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    • SkStu
      Capped Player
      • Feb 2007
      • 14863

      #272
      Boomers, you have almost single-handedly made this forum all about Kenny. That is the genesis of this obsession, if you ask me. When posters try to bring other factors into the discussion, they get shot down, there's no middle ground, no give and take at all.

      It has festered and created a fierce amount of hostility in a forum that used to be a welcome distraction from life and a chance to have debates that were passionate but never so polarized and polarizing. Many significant debates and differences on teams, tactics etc. were had on here over the years I've been hanging around but it never felt the way it does now. I think Razor's last post was about taking a break from this place - I hope he doesn't - but I get where he's coming from. It just isn't enjoyable any more.
      I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.

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      • Stuttgart88
        Capped Player
        • May 2004
        • 18973

        #273
        Originally posted by pineapple stu
        Also, who said "You'd swear we won"?
        Someone prone to exaggeration

        Originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
        If you didn't know the score last night but just looked at the reaction of some supporters and the media, you'd assume we won the game or at least drew it

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        • paul_oshea
          Capped Player
          • Apr 2005
          • 16376

          #274
          Originally posted by pineapple stu
          It's an internet forum Stutts. We discuss things. You can either join in the discussion, or not if you want (if you think a discussion is pointless, for example, which is fine). Everyone involved was in agreement it was a very good header and a great save, so the chat was a minor point about where the header was going exactly. Then you chose to come barging in insulting people. That's daft.

          Also, who said "You'd swear we won"?
          Ya this is getting tiresome now. It feels like a select few dissenting against anything believing negative or having negative connotations to Kenny. We can all make valid points without it being toys out of the pram stuff. At the end of the day ( I hope) we all want the best Ireland

          I really can't remember when the forum has been so active which can only be a good thing but everyone's point is valid regardless of how far the other side of the scale it is to your own
          Last edited by paul_oshea; 28/03/2023, 7:26 PM.
          I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
          And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
          I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
          Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away

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          • paul_oshea
            Capped Player
            • Apr 2005
            • 16376

            #275
            Originally posted by Kingdom
            That's not what I meant at all. He showed have played the ball in front of Ferguson earlier than he crossed it. that would have forced the pavard to come across sooner, leaving space for a roll across to Knight, or a pull back for Molumby, or perhaps a shot himself.
            I think I see what you're doing here . He slowed down that's the biggest problem I remember at the time I'd need to watch it again but it felt he slowed his run , gave that bit of time for France to better position themselves . He doesn't have the ability to play that ball in around from what I've seen , so the simplest and highest probability of execution was to take the extra couple of yards at full pace and go straight across goal between peno and six yard box. Instead he knew he couldn't play the other pass, somewhat unsure slowed down ended up about edger of box and plays a ball back to knight which was the worst pass of an original 4-5 things he could have done
            I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
            And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
            I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
            Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away

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            • Stuttgart88
              Capped Player
              • May 2004
              • 18973

              #276
              Originally posted by pineapple stu
              Everyone involved was in agreement it was a very good header
              That’s actually not true. Not directed at you tbf.

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              • paul_oshea
                Capped Player
                • Apr 2005
                • 16376

                #277
                Scotland 2-0 Spain . Nothing like a dose of reality to bring you back down to earth.
                I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
                And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
                I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
                Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away

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                • passinginterest
                  International Prospect
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 5318

                  #278
                  Originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
                  The players deserve enormous credit for putting everything on the line, a number of them ran themselves into the ground. They are much better than their manager would have us believe.
                  You’ve said this a couple of times now. It’s been a huge criticism of previous coaches that they’ve claimed our players were incapable of playing a modern style of football and completing simple passes to each other.

                  I don’t think Kenny has ever has a single negative thing to say about his players? He talks them up constantly. If anything it’s been to his detriment that he talked up the younger players he was bringing through to such an extent that it made it harder for himself when the performances didn’t follow!
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                  Tallaght Stadium Regular

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                  • Stuttgart88
                    Capped Player
                    • May 2004
                    • 18973

                    #279
                    Originally posted by passinginterest
                    You’ve said this a couple of times now. It’s been a huge criticism of previous coaches that they’ve claimed our players were incapable of playing a modern style of football and completing simple passes to each other.

                    I don’t think Kenny has ever has a single negative thing to say about his players? He talks them up constantly. If anything it’s been to his detriment that he talked up the younger players he was bringing through to such an extent that it made it harder for himself when the performances didn’t follow!
                    I agree. If I was to summarise Kenny’s view of our players versus previous managers’ it’d be that we should believe in our players more

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                    • BOOMSHAKALAKA
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2020
                      • 685

                      #280
                      Originally posted by TonyD
                      That’s kind of funny, given your own obsession with sacking the manager, and how everything is an opportunity to have a dig. Pots and kettles.
                      That's true but my reasoning is sound and logical. I just think that we're underestimating ourselves. Look at Scotland tonight, are we much worse than them? They have something to actually celebrate.

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                      • BOOMSHAKALAKA
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2020
                        • 685

                        #281
                        Originally posted by SkStu
                        Boomers, you have almost single-handedly made this forum all about Kenny. That is the genesis of this obsession, if you ask me. When posters try to bring other factors into the discussion, they get shot down, there's no middle ground, no give and take at all.

                        It has festered and created a fierce amount of hostility in a forum that used to be a welcome distraction from life and a chance to have debates that were passionate but never so polarized and polarizing. Many significant debates and differences on teams, tactics etc. were had on here over the years I've been hanging around but it never felt the way it does now. I think Razor's last post was about taking a break from this place - I hope he doesn't - but I get where he's coming from. It just isn't enjoyable any more.
                        In fairness, it goes both ways. No? I think some of the comments directed towards those who aren't Kenny backers have been quite poor. But we all care about what happens with Ireland. That's the route of it. I just think we'll all be friends again when Kenny goes so we should all support that.

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                        • elatedscum
                          Seasoned Pro
                          • Feb 2019
                          • 2640

                          #282
                          Originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
                          The players deserve enormous credit for putting everything on the line, a number of them ran themselves into the ground. They are much better than their manager would have us believe.

                          Wild…


                          Originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
                          Done.
                          Non-answer if ever I saw one

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                          • BOOMSHAKALAKA
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2020
                            • 685

                            #283
                            Originally posted by passinginterest
                            You’ve said this a couple of times now. It’s been a huge criticism of previous coaches that they’ve claimed our players were incapable of playing a modern style of football and completing simple passes to each other.

                            I don’t think Kenny has ever has a single negative thing to say about his players? He talks them up constantly. If anything it’s been to his detriment that he talked up the younger players he was bringing through to such an extent that it made it harder for himself when the performances didn’t follow!
                            He was positive and light until it all fell to pieces. He then threw the players under the bus. He said that we shouldn't expect to compete with Serbia and Portugal. As if we should just accept that our players are at the level of the minnows.

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                            • Insidetherock
                              Reserves
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 681

                              #284
                              Originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
                              That's true but my reasoning is sound and logical. I just think that we're underestimating ourselves. Look at Scotland tonight, are we much worse than them? They have something to actually celebrate.
                              They do, and brilliant result from then

                              The other reality is, Scotland are currently better than us, ranked higher, and will be playing in Spains Path in the next NL

                              Spain are not as good as France..

                              I'd put us 2-3 yrs behind Scotland

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                              • pineapple stu
                                Biased against YOUR club
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 40783

                                #285
                                Originally posted by Stuttgart88
                                Someone prone to exaggeration
                                Fairy nuff - I was searching for "swear" and couldn't find anything so I couldn't see where you were getting that from!

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