Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[brine3]

Well, if you want to go more recent, they crashed out of Euro 2016 after losing to Hungary, whereas we beat Italy and gave the hosts France a run for their money.

Negatively inclined Austrian fans may have though we were the world beaters who achieved more than anything they could have "ever dreamed of"

Us beating Austria is much of a muchness, to be honest. Just as it is when they beat us.

[nigel-harps1954]

Have Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane taken over Austria now or something?

[Charlie Darwin]

Roy Kean and Martin O Neil to managed Austria?

[Diggs246]

Have Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane taken over Austria now or something?

yep agreed, time for a ceasefire on Austria, its not relevant

[DeLorean]

Us beating Austria is much of a muchness, to be honest. Just as it is when they beat us.

If you really are so concerned with history, maybe you should consider this too - https://www.11v11.com/teams/republic...ition/Austria/

Not much of a muchness at all I would suggest, but emphatically one sided (particularly up until the point in time we're actually talking about).

Anyway, we'll move on. I thought Austria were correctly seeded above us, you don't seem to agree. Fair enough.

[DeLorean]

yep agreed, time for a ceasefire on Austria, its not relevant

It was relevant in assessing whether MON overachieved by finishing second ahead of them. Not off topic at all.

[OwlsFan]

Guess he can’t do it on a cold wet Tuesday night in Stoke.

Not that bad by the looks for things https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Attractio...e_England.html

[brine3]

Anyway, we'll move on. I thought Austria were correctly seeded above us, you don't seem to agree. Fair enough.

Hehehe, the old I'll move on but put in a point anyway move. Of course I think they were correctly seeded above us according to the rules.

[DeLorean]

My point (originally, many moons ago now it seems) was that they were deservedly seeded ahead of us, regardless of the rules, which I don't think are always correct/fair at all.

[DannyInvincible]

Some selected media commentary (with which I happen to mostly concur) on the latest episode...

'Ken Early: Ireland end up as consolation prize for O’Neill': https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...eill-1.3355396

The Daily Telegraph last night broke the story that O’Neill had turned down Stoke’s offer, adding that one big reason for his decision is that he did not want to break the verbal agreement he had made with the FAI. But if this verbal agreement really was so sacred, why not confirm as much last week, when Stoke’s interest in taking him first became widely known? Transparency then could have spared a lot of awkwardness later, as many observers will now naturally conclude that he would have been keen to join Stoke if they hadn’t insulted him by approaching Sánchez Flores first.

Instead O’Neill will carry on and now it’s Ireland that gets to feel like the consolation prize. But after the events of the last few days, both O’Neill and the Ireland fans know that most of the supporters were happy to draw a line under his time in charge of the team.

'Keith Duggan: Stoke affair leaves everyone feeling insulted and cheapened': https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...ened-1.3353530

Republic of Ireland fans could feel insulted that Martin O’Neill was, according to many reports, ready to walk away for perhaps a mere half-season with the Potters without a backwards glance. There was an unspoken disbelief not so much that O’Neill might quit his post for a Premier club role but that he would leave Ireland for, well, Stoke – which, of course, is a slight on Stoke City FC and the outer boroughs along the Trent.

O’Neill, equally, can feel insulted that anyone would believe that he would renege on his verbal agreement with John Delaney to remain in charge for another campaign. He might also feel slightly aggrieved and hurt at the absence of a deafening public chorus begging him to stay.

John Delaney and the FAI can feel outraged that an English club would so brazenly and openly line up their man, leaving them powerless to do anything about it. Ireland football fans can feel angered by the FAI’s dithering for two months over actually securing the signature of O’Neill on the line that is dotted instead of leaving the position floating on the vague notion of a handshake.

'Richie Sadlier: Martin O’Neill can’t expect to walk back into Ireland job': https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...-job-1.3353603

... Back in the real world, though, it’s an embarrassing mess for both parties. There’s no other credible take on what’s been reported. Just carrying on as if nothing happened is head-in-the-sand stuff, which isn’t to say that’s not what the FAI will do. That might be just what O’Neill would like, given he has nowhere else to go, but staying silent and riding this out is not going to work. John Delaney needs to lead on this and speak up.

...

Putting aside the legal arguments on the validity of their verbal agreement, keeping O’Neill in charge is not a viable option. He arrived four years ago with a reputation for passion and enthusiasm, but you can’t claim full commitment if you’re actively seeking an exit. I know what I’d be thinking if I was in his dressing room and he started to question the mentality of any of the players. His words would fall flat. Richard Dunne said as much on Newstalk during the week. He can’t expect to walk back in as if nothing has happened.

[jbyrne]

Republic of Ireland fans could feel insulted that Martin O’Neill was, according to many reports, ready to walk away

quite ironic after 60% of the crowd walked out long before the end of the Denmark match

[Diggs246]

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/john-and-i-have-agreed-terms-martin-oneill-offers-brief-update-on-contract-situation-but-deal-still-not-signed-36496549.html

The interviewer was incredibly aggressive, quite the investigative journalist there

[geysir]

It was relevant in assessing whether MON overachieved by finishing second ahead of them. Not off topic at all.

If I were inclined to assess, I certainly would not rate O'Neill that low.

[brine3]

Seems that MON will be signing.

I've watched every Irish match since I was eight years old. I'm going to have to reconsider now... I can't watch his Ireland teams. I don't mind negative football if it is well organised. As a defender I would say that a bit of well organised Italian catenaccio is a joy to behold.

But MON's Ireland... I don't know what it is. It's chaotic, organised Sunday league style defending. Like watching a pinball machine or something. It's an attack on my senses.

[geysir]

It also takes tactical nous, good pre-game preparation, good analysis of the opposition along with game management/decisions to play good negative cautious football.