Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[ArdeeBhoy]

Not what my Mackem pals tell me...if you leave out the swearwords, 'bottle merchant' is as good as it gets.

Thanks, but no thanks. Not that he'll last two years anywhere...

[Charlie Darwin]

If your Mackem pals are anything like Paul O'Shea's posse at YBIG I think I'll stick with the chairman of the club where he was such a success who, having been the coach before him, knew exactly how challenging a job it was to take on.

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Celtic chief exec peter lawell saying this afternoon that they have spoken to roy but he is one of 5-10 outstanding candidates they have in mind for the job.

[ArdeeBhoy]

If your Mackem pals are anything like Paul O'Shea's posse at YBIG I think I'll stick with the chairman of the club where he was such a success who, having been the coach before him, knew exactly how challenging a job it was to take on.

Yes, which is why he walked out on them...almost six years ago, btw. He got them promoted, but 'success', that's just silly...they only just avoided releagtion and then even his own players celebrated when he left!
Go figure...

[DeLorean]

Sunderland were relegated with a lowest points total the season before Keane took over. They were bottom off the Championship after five games when he arrived. I think to almost anybody, promotion would have appeared a big ask at that point. He didn't only get them promoted, he won the division. He then kept them up in 15th place in the PL (just two seasons after the PL's worst ever performance by any club). The way he left them was poor, no doubt, but he obviously did an excellent job while managing at that particular football club. If it wasn't for Keane's job there, Sunderland may not be the established PL side they are now. He might have spent poorly at times and fallen out with players but I think everybody agrees it's a results game, and he definitely got the results there. From where Sunderland were at the time, getting them back to the PL and keeping them there was very much a 'success'.

[Stuttgart88]

I think I read that Brendan Rodgers is already the third longest serving manager in the EPL. It seems like he only arrived at Liverpool yesterday.

According to this the average tenure is 54 weeks.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-manager-steve-clarke-2929492

So, does Keane's spell really single him out as some kind of under performer?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Sunderland were relegated with a lowest points total the season before Keane took over. They were bottom off the Championship after five games when he arrived. I think to almost anybody, promotion would have appeared a big ask at that point. He didn't only get them promoted, he won the division. He then kept them up in 15th place in the PL (just two seasons after the PL's worst ever performance by any club). The way he left them was poor, no doubt, but he obviously did an excellent job while managing at that particular football club. If it wasn't for Keane's job there, Sunderland may not be the established PL side they are now. He might have spent poorly at times and fallen out with players but I think everybody agrees it's a results game, and he definitely got the results there. From where Sunderland were at the time, getting them back to the PL and keeping them there was very much a 'success'.

I disagree. He's a walking disaster area in football management, in his case, literally...

Though acknowledge Stutts point about managers now only getting a year to turn things round generally, which is plain silly...

[Stuttgart88]

I disagree. He's a walking disaster area in football management, in his case, literally...

Would that change to metaphorically if he was in a wheelchair, or took coaching sessions on a pogo stick?

[ArdeeBhoy]

But he's not, that we know of. Talking of his walking away from jobs when the going gets 'tough', a surprising trait given his personal attitude as a player...

[Stuttgart88]

I'm a bit undecided on all of this. On one hand Keane creates an unnecessary sideshow and on the other, if he were to leave, it'd further undermine the status of the BIG in the Irish public's eyes.

Either way. I suppose our media never needs a second chance to elevate the personal situation of Cork footballers over thoughtful coverage of our national team.

[geysir]

The question for us is not his managerial acumen. We have him as an assistant and it's a curious combination, him and O'Neill and Ireland.
He's only in the door a few months, we haven't yet have had a game in anger and he's looking for another job or at very least putting himself forward.
He's probably there or thereabouts, the highest paid intl assistant manager in the history of the game.
At the very least, this is fickle and demonstrates a serious lack of commitment to the job at hand, 'Oh I'll be your assistant manager until a better offer comes, or if a better offer comes I will pursue it publicly' , 'I'll do what I feel like doing'.
Well that's maybe the Roy Keane way and maybe some here think it's acceptable or tolerable behaviour, I don't.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Nicely summarised geysir, on fire there recently with a few posts...I like.

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd be reasonably sure Tardelli was on more money than Keane is getting.

[geysir]

Tardelli was on ca Eur 614,500 p/a when Trap was on Eur 1.7m p/a , which (must have) made him the highest paid backroom boy in Intl football.
Those salaries were cut back a bit in 2012.

Regardless, Tardellii's no longer employed and his salary no longer can be used to compare against Roy's salary, a reputed Eur 700,000.

[Charlie Darwin]

There's only one source for it being 700k and most seem to think it's more like 500k, possibly performance-related, but you're right that it's a ridiculous sum to be spending on an assistant manager who may now leave before he's even faced a competitive game.