James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

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  • DannyInvincible
    Capped Player
    • Sep 2006
    • 11521

    #1651
    Originally posted by tricky_colour
    Thanks, I was not aware of the ban I don't remember hearing about it at the time, I'd expect there to be a fuss
    about that kind of thing, but I don't suppose many people in the UK watch the world service.

    Interestingly FiFA have banned the poppy!!



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/15652356
    I remember that nonsense last year. If I recall correctly, it all acted as a convenient distraction for the FA from some other issue that was pressing upon them, for England had never worn the poppy on their jerseys around the 11th of November in all the 93 years before that; indeed, "Terrygate" had been raging in the media at the time. Interesting summary of it all here with a healthy dose of sarcastic cynicism: http://daveboyle.net/analysis/war-mi...-from-the-hip/

    And so it ends. 93 years of England’s ignominious and unpatriotic failure to wear poppies on their shirts comes to a deserved end, and a nation can rest easy, safe in the knowledge that now football has fallen into line, people will actually start wearing poppies for the first time ever. Or something like that.

    ...

    Never mind that the Chief Executive of the British Legion said “The Legion never insists that the poppy be worn or insists that others allow it to be worn.” But who cares what that pen-pushing pinko thinks, when there’s a jingoistic juggernaut on the move. Either stay still and be run over, or get onboard and watch it magically become a bandwagon.
    It also raises the issue of what is and is not deemed commercial, political or religious. Essentially, that's an arbitrary decision that is adjudicated upon within the domain of FIFA. For example, we wore black arm-bands against Italy at the Euros on the anniversary of the Loughinisland massacre in 1994 and in memory of all victims of the Troubles. Some argued that was political whilst others, and FIFA evidently, saw it as a worthwhile humanitarian gesture. If, say, the German team, for whatever reason, sought to remember fallen members of the Waffen-SS through the wearing of similar armbands at some point, it might pose some thornier moral issues for FIFA, but who's to know how they would adjudicate. I could see how a prohibition on the wearing of armbands in such an instance could leave them open to criticism for inconsistency and the practicing of double standards.

    FIFA, ever alive to opportunities to play the pantomime villain for their friends in the English press pack refused, citing their blanket ban on all commercial, political and religious messages on the shirts worn in matches which take place under their jurisdiction.

    FIFA rightly have long-standing rules in place, mindful of the power of the game to be used to further dark agendas, and equally mindful of the nature of political matters to be judged very differently depending on where one stands. Would that they have been in place in 1938 to save England’s players from being advised to give a Nazi salute before playing Germany.

    But sadly – for many, many more important reasons than this – FIFA are perhaps the last people on earth to be able to survey the high ground of principle from their strong fortress of legitimacy.

    What FIFA actually practice is the highest and most powerful example of politics of all – the ability to decide what is and is not political. Behind the canard that sport and politics shouldn’t be mixed lies the pure power to decide what is and isn’t political, and so what will, and will not be tolerated in mixing with sport.

    Racism was political – and not to be mixed with sport – when the old guard stonewalled developing world pressure to tackle apartheid. The new guard who understood that sensibility changed tack, and now FIFA’s stance is that anti-racism isn’t political and can be mixed with sport. It’s a welcome change, of course, but on no level can it be seen as apolitical.

    Commercial matters are most definitely not political in FIFAland; certainly not how FIFA ensures host countries for world cups give them carte blanche to pretty much do as they commercially please, and rewrite their laws and tax codes. It also isn’t political to allow national teams to display the logo of the kit manufacturer, a commercial message if ever there was one. Adidas, after all, would expect nothing less from the people they groomed for power back in the day.
    My blog.
    FIFA Player Eligibility in the Context of Ireland: The Actual Rules, the Real Facts and Dispelling the Prevailing Myths.

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    • DannyInvincible
      Capped Player
      • Sep 2006
      • 11521

      #1652
      Originally posted by gastric
      While I stick to the main points I made, I would agree the last point was particularly stupid and I deserved the flak I copped. Perhaps the lesson in this for me is not to submit a comment while you have 27 17 year old cherubs sitting in front of you!
      Do you still maintain that McClean publicly explaining his rationale would make a difference to many of those who interpreted his non-wearing of a poppy as an insult? Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I suspect that ignoramuses with fascistic tendencies wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in listening to his side of the story, never mind changing their attitudes because of it.
      My blog.
      FIFA Player Eligibility in the Context of Ireland: The Actual Rules, the Real Facts and Dispelling the Prevailing Myths.

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      • ArdeeBhoy
        International Prospect
        • Jun 2007
        • 6237

        #1653
        Another view. Of sorts.
        Or old news.

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        • DannyInvincible
          Capped Player
          • Sep 2006
          • 11521

          #1654
          Originally posted by ArdeeBhoy
          Another view. Of sorts.
          Or old news.

          http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1154-...o-wear-a-poppy
          "By Ed Upright". Fitting.
          My blog.
          FIFA Player Eligibility in the Context of Ireland: The Actual Rules, the Real Facts and Dispelling the Prevailing Myths.

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          • ArdeeBhoy
            International Prospect
            • Jun 2007
            • 6237

            #1655
            It certainly makes Lachey look like a simpleton.

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            • DannyInvincible
              Capped Player
              • Sep 2006
              • 11521

              #1656
              A sports update from Pure Derry:

              SPORT

              Some die-hard English football fans continue to issue death threats to Derry footballer James McClean, following his choice not to wear a poppy last week. "It's disgraceful and insulting. Our armed forces were responsible for stopping an imperialist empire from taking over the entire world!" said Terry Tipton from Britain.

              Britain, the imperialist empire who previously took over the entire world, remained unavailable for comment.
              My blog.
              FIFA Player Eligibility in the Context of Ireland: The Actual Rules, the Real Facts and Dispelling the Prevailing Myths.

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              • ArdeeBhoy
                International Prospect
                • Jun 2007
                • 6237

                #1657
                Great minds think alike...

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                • SkStu
                  Capped Player
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 14863

                  #1658
                  He really just needs to do the right thing at this stage and apologise to the British people.
                  I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.

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                  • Sullivinho
                    First Team
                    • May 2010
                    • 1755

                    #1659
                    I believe a small, floral display of contrition would also aid in mending bridges.

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                    • tetsujin1979
                      Coach
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 23730

                      #1660
                      or time served in the armed forces?
                      All goals, yellow and red cards tweeted in real time on mastodon, BlueSky and facebook

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                      • SkStu
                        Capped Player
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 14863

                        #1661
                        It couldn't hurt...
                        I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.

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                        • Charlie Darwin
                          Banned. Children Banned. Grandchildren Banned. 3 Months.
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 18576

                          #1662
                          Originally posted by SkStu
                          He really just needs to do the right thing at this stage and apologise to the British people.

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                          • SkStu
                            Capped Player
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 14863

                            #1663
                            Bwhaha!
                            I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.

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                            • tricky_colour
                              International Prospect
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 8886

                              #1664
                              Of course sometimes even British soldiers fail to remember, for example Sgt Danny Nightingale who failed to remember he had, 122 live rounds of 9mm ammunition, 40 live rounds of 7.62 ammunition, 50 frangible rounds of 9mm ammunition, 50 live rounds of armour piecing ammunition, two live rounds of .308 ammunition and 74 live rounds of 5.56 ammunition in "a plastic box under the bed". The pistol was found found in a wardrobe in a black case, according to the transcripts.

                              Seems he didn't remember unpacking them and putting them there.

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                              • tricky_colour
                                International Prospect
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 8886

                                #1665
                                Originally posted by Charlie Darwin
                                Where does that picture from? What is the context of it and significance???

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