James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

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  • DannyInvincible
    Capped Player
    • Sep 2006
    • 11521

    #1606
    The reason he didn't wear one is because he was free to choose either way, as the club confirmed in a statement. Martin O'Neill didn't wear one on the touchline either but there's not been so much of a storm about that little fact. It's double standards. McClean's an easier target as the media like to frame him as a contentious figure, if not an unruly simpleton, in order to sell papers. This is easier because he wears his identity on his chest and comes from relatively-deprived Creggan. Attempting to frame the refined and enlightened O'Neill of Kilrea, who passed up his law education at Queen's University in order to sign for Forest after an academic education at St. Columb's College, in the same boat simply wouldn't wash. Should either have to explain their "actions" in further detail beyond not wearing the thing? Why should either have to face the media? It's nobody else's business, frankly.

    McClean is obviously passionate about his identity. There's nothing wrong with that. If people take issue with outward manifestations of that identity, that's indicative of a wider social problem rather than a personal problem with McClean per se.
    My blog.
    FIFA Player Eligibility in the Context of Ireland: The Actual Rules, the Real Facts and Dispelling the Prevailing Myths.

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    • gastric
      First Team
      • Aug 2010
      • 2327

      #1607
      Originally posted by DannyInvincible
      The reason he didn't wear one is because he was free to choose either way, as the club confirmed in a statement. Martin O'Neill didn't wear one on the touchline either but there's not been so much of a storm about that little fact. It's double standards. McClean's an easier target as the media like to frame him as a contentious figure, if not an unruly simpleton, in order to sell papers. This is easier because he wears his identity on his chest and comes from relatively-deprived Creggan. Attempting to frame the refined and enlightened O'Neill of Kilrea, who passed up his law education at Queen's University in order to sign for Forest after an academic education at St. Columb's College, in the same boat simply wouldn't wash. Should either have to explain their "actions" in further detail beyond that? Why should either have to face the media? It's nobody else's business, frankly.

      McClean is obviously passionate about his identity. There's nothing wrong with that. If people take issue with outward manifestations of his identity, that's indicative of a wider social problem rather than a personal problem with McClean per se.
      Agreed about his passion and his right to choose. However, there is an issue which you seem to be skirting around. Police investigating a death threat and you say it is no one's business? While you may know a lot about the eligibility issue, you really don't understand the roles of public relations in such issues. Press conferences clear up issues. Remember this is going to raise its ugly head again next year and any decent PR person would be trying to clear it up now and the obvious way would be for James to explain his position. This would make it harder for the media to target him again next year and might even create some understanding of him among a very ignorant British public on such issues.

      Commenting on O'Neil's degree and where McClean comes from shows your understanding of the issue, but how does this help the British public understand? It's okay to be academic about such issues, but think first about the realities which your last post seemed to ignore.

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      • DannyInvincible
        Capped Player
        • Sep 2006
        • 11521

        #1608
        Originally posted by gastric
        Agreed about his passion and his right to choose. However, there is an issue which you seem to be skirting around. Police investigating a death threat and you say it is no one's business? While you may know a lot about the eligibility issue, you really don't understand the roles of public relations in such issues. Press conferences clear up issues. Remember this is going to raise its ugly head again next year and any decent PR person would be trying to clear it up now and the obvious way would be for James to explain his position. This would make it harder for the media to target him again next year and might even create some understanding of him among a very ignorant British public on such issues.
        That's one way of looking at it. Another is that a statement would validate the fascistic and obnoxious idiocy. Where would one draw the line if McClean/Sunderland got into the business of making a statement every time a member of the public or some journalist took issue with something? Having to maintain a public diary of sorts would merely act as further distraction for the player. Besides, there's nothing stopping the media from doing a bit of background research themselves. They're supposed to be good at that sort of thing.

        Commenting on O'Neil's degree and where McClean comes from shows your understanding of the issue, but how does this help the British public understand? It's okay to be academic about such issues, but think first about the realities which your last post seemed to ignore.
        Well, it'd be great for all of us if everyone understood each other, but that's never going to be a reality. If the British public lack knowledge on a certain issue, it's not McClean's responsibility to educate them.
        My blog.
        FIFA Player Eligibility in the Context of Ireland: The Actual Rules, the Real Facts and Dispelling the Prevailing Myths.

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        • ArdeeBhoy
          International Prospect
          • Jun 2007
          • 6237

          #1609
          Be fair. The British public have always been generally ignorant on the subject of Ireland...

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          • Not Brazil
            First Team
            • Feb 2006
            • 2414

            #1610
            Originally posted by dantheman
            A similar article in the Sunday Life caused quite a furore at the time.

            The SL journalist, a staunch "Bluenose", was given poetic licence by Feeney to write the piece.

            The IFA became directly involved - I understand Feeney was required to give an account.

            I know this, as I was contacted by the IFA to profer an opinion on the issue, given a role I had at that time which involved close liason with the Community Relations Dept within the IFA.

            Feeney was not best pleased, and it strained his, previously good, relationship with the journalist for a time.

            Warren Feeney had no issues whatsoever playing with players from a different cultural background to himself.
            Last edited by Not Brazil; 20/11/2012, 11:32 AM.
            The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
            But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
            Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
            And this is what we sang...

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            • ArdeeBhoy
              International Prospect
              • Jun 2007
              • 6237

              #1611
              Apart from when it comes to whether or not they choose to wear a poppy...

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              • Not Brazil
                First Team
                • Feb 2006
                • 2414

                #1612
                Originally posted by SolitudeRed
                This Cody fellah proves that James McClean has a point in not wearing a Poppy I suppose!
                Yer Man Cody would seem to me to have some mental health issues.



                What a knob.
                The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
                But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
                Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
                And this is what we sang...

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                • Not Brazil
                  First Team
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 2414

                  #1613
                  "It's vital our fans get under Boruc's skin because he has proved that when he lets things get to him, he is prone to make the odd mistake"

                  To be fair, Warren called that one spot on.

                  Artur Boruc, Artur Boruc, Ulster's Number One.

                  Legend.
                  The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
                  But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
                  Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
                  And this is what we sang...

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                  • ArdeeBhoy
                    International Prospect
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 6237

                    #1614
                    Surely that would, or should, be, Pat Jennings...

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                    • ifk101
                      Seasoned Pro
                      • May 2003
                      • 3961

                      #1615
                      Originally posted by ArdeeBhoy
                      Surely that would, or should, be, Pat Jennings...
                      You mean Shay Given .....

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                      • Sullivinho
                        First Team
                        • May 2010
                        • 1755

                        #1616
                        Originally posted by Not Brazil
                        Artur Boruc, Artur Boruc, Ulster's Number One.

                        Legend.


                        Aye, he made all the difference.

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                        • Not Brazil
                          First Team
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 2414

                          #1617
                          Originally posted by Sullivinho
                          Aye, he made all the difference.
                          Artur's howler in front of the Kop Stand at Windsor Park will never be forgotten to Northern Ireland fans.

                          Artur's a cult hero to us - fondly sung about on our travels.

                          Good call that was, Warren.
                          The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
                          But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
                          Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
                          And this is what we sang...

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                          • boovidge
                            First Team
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1253

                            #1618
                            Originally posted by Not Brazil
                            Artur's howler in front of the Kop Stand at Windsor Park will never be forgotten to Northern Ireland fans.

                            Artur's a cult hero to us - fondly sung about on our travels.

                            Good call that was, Warren.
                            God, it must be desperate being a NI fan!

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                            • co. down green
                              Reserves
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 794

                              #1619
                              Originally posted by DannyInvincible
                              Attempting to frame the refined and enlightened O'Neill of Kilrea, who passed up his law education at Queen's University in order to sign for Forest after an academic education at St. Columb's College, in the same boat simply wouldn't wash.
                              I thought Martin O'Neill went to my old school St. Malachy's In Belfast.

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                              • Bucky-O'Hare
                                Apprentice
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 53

                                #1620
                                Originally posted by co. down green
                                I thought Martin O'Neill went to my old school St. Malachy's In Belfast.
                                I think he changed schools from St. Columbs to St. Malachy's or vice versa. He definitly went to both.

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