James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

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  • DannyInvincible
    Capped Player
    • Sep 2006
    • 11521

    #1576
    Originally posted by gastric
    And nutters like the above mentioned and opposition fans will remember this next year and continue to harrass him. He really is becoming as controversial as S Ireland is, but in a very different way. He needs Ferry to guide him properly, but from what has been said here, maybe he's picked the wrong person to help him.
    Ah, c'mon. You can't hold him responsible for a lunatic thug sending him a death threat and a bunch of thick football supporters howling abuse at him. As for Eugene Ferry guiding him "properly", what do you mean? What could Ferry have done to prevent this? I very much doubt Ferry would have encouraged him to wear a poppy, if that's what you mean, but then, Martin O'Neill/Sunderland didn't force him to wear one either. In fact, they have been very clear that they are behind him; that James was entirely in the right as it was a free choice he was entitled to make. He didn't refuse to wear something he was expected to, as the UK media portrayal keeps informing us through a misrepresented optic; he simply chose not to wear one. The subtle distinction in wording is important.

    Originally posted by Colbert Report
    However, if you're playing football in a country and you're a public figure, I can understand why those people have every right to expect you to honour their war dead, regardless of whether they understand or care to understand why you have refused to wear the poppy.
    They don't have every right. They have absolutely no right to expect anything of him. To be honest, you sound like an apologist for fascistic mob populism.
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    • ArdeeBhoy
      International Prospect
      • Jun 2007
      • 6237

      #1577

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      • Predator
        First Team
        • Apr 2009
        • 1656

        #1578
        Talk of James bringing it upon himself is disturbing. It is a dangerous assertion that merely absolves the idiots that abused him of responsibility for their actions.
        End Apartheid Now! One Team in Ireland!

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        • johnnyc
          Youth Team
          • Oct 2006
          • 122

          #1579
          Originally posted by Predator
          Talk of James bringing it upon himself is disturbing. It is a dangerous assertion that merely absolves the idiots that abused him of responsibility for their actions.
          This.

          I don't think James has done himself any favours with some of his shenanigans in the past, but he's perfectly entitled to opt out of wearing a poppy.
          youngirish: "I'm nearly always right about young players (it's frighteningly accurate)..." :)

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          • IsMiseSean
            First Team
            • Jul 2004
            • 1799

            #1580
            A few quotes from the North's world class superstar Warren Feeney here.
            Martin O’Neill has defended James McClean from more criticism for his refusal to wear a poppy last week, as well as an oddly withdrawn death threat from a former British soldier.

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            • DannyInvincible
              Capped Player
              • Sep 2006
              • 11521

              #1581
              Originally posted by Warren Feeney
              It’s a pity because he’s obviously a talented player. At the same time, it makes me glad he elected to play for the Republic and not us... [McClean’s decision] was an anti-British gesture, yet here he is making a very good living from playing in the Premier League in Britain. His action was a snub to the memory of brave men and women, his club and its fans who pay his wages.
              Bit of a weird piece, that. It's none of Feeney's business as to why James didn't don a poppy, but, in his attempt to stir the pot further and jump to daft conclusions, the idiot clearly doesn't get it.

              i) McClean made no gesture. He opted out of making one after being put in a very uncomfortable situation by whoever had the bright idea of bringing such a political issue into the footballing domain.

              ii) There was nothing anti-British about his non-wearing of a poppy. Lots of people throughout Britain didn't wear a poppy the other weekend for a whole multitude of personal reasons. Such reasons are not necessarily anti-British. It is presumed that James opted not to wear one because of the British Army's history in his home city; that's not necessarily anti-British either. Is taking issue with certain actions of the British Army to be viewed as anti-British now?

              iii) It is evident that Feeney sees the NI team as embodying his British identity.

              iv) James' club didn't see it as a snub to them and came out in support of his free choice. As for the Sunderland fans, it's none of their business either. Why should it be viewed as a snub to them anyway? What has the symbolism of the poppy got to do with them?

              I suppose Feeney wears his poppy all year round...
              Last edited by DannyInvincible; 19/11/2012, 2:36 PM.
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              • The Fly
                Seasoned Pro
                • Sep 2008
                • 2500

                #1582
                Originally posted by JGKyne
                A few quotes from the North's world class superstar Warren Feeney here.
                http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...ts-214426.html
                Enjoy the rest of your time at the bottom of League 2 Warren.

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                • geysir
                  Capped Player
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 15392

                  #1583
                  Originally posted by DannyInvincible
                  iii) It is evident that Feeney sees the NI team as embodying his British identity.
                  It's pretty obvious that the NI team embodies a British identity but what I thought was noteworthy about Warren Feeney's (whoever he is) quote, is that in his opinion the NI team is a comfortable place for pro-British and a cold place for what he perceives to be anti-British. And it would appear that if you don't wear that pro-British symbol you are regarded as anti-British and insulting.

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                  • DannyInvincible
                    Capped Player
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 11521

                    #1584
                    Originally posted by geysir
                    It's pretty obvious that the NI team embodies a British identity but what I thought was noteworthy about Warren Feeney's (whoever he is) quote, is that in his opinion the NI team is a comfortable place for pro-British and a cold place for what he perceives to be anti-British. And it would appear that if you don't wear that pro-British symbol you are regarded as anti-British and insulting.
                    That might have been to what I was alluding, y'know...
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                    • Not Brazil
                      First Team
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 2414

                      #1585
                      Originally posted by geysir
                      It's pretty obvious that the NI team embodies a British identity but what I thought was noteworthy about Warren Feeney's (whoever he is) quote, is that in his opinion the NI team is a comfortable place for pro-British and a cold place for what he perceives to be anti-British
                      I think the peace demonstrates that Feeney believes not wearing the Poppy on the Sunderland shirt was an "anti British gesture" by McClean.

                      Warren has played for Northern Ireland with many players over the years who would not identify themselves as "British" - he did so without issue on their identity.
                      The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
                      But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
                      Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
                      And this is what we sang...

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                      • paul_oshea
                        Capped Player
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 16376

                        #1586
                        He did so without issue of their identity. Good little lad there, keep your beliefs to yerself and just get on with it and we will all be happy. Conform to that and everyone is happy
                        I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
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                        I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
                        Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away

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                        • geysir
                          Capped Player
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 15392

                          #1587
                          As long as the croppy lies down, Warren has no issue.

                          All credit to Warren then, who stoically managed to keep a lid on his more extreme fascist opinions during all his time with the NI squad.

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                          • tricky_colour
                            International Prospect
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 8886

                            #1588
                            Originally posted by dantheman
                            Threats made by Cody Lachey, he's in this video:

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6V-d5K8KeE

                            Interesting that he supports those who rioted against the state he fought for.

                            I mean basically he is saying the society that now exists in Britain was not worth fighting for, so one wonders why he wears a poppy himself because I doubt many of those who fought did so for such a divided and unequal society.

                            He needs to ask himself exactly what those soldiers were fighting for.
                            Last edited by tricky_colour; 19/11/2012, 6:27 PM.

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                            • DannyInvincible
                              Capped Player
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 11521

                              #1589
                              Originally posted by Not Brazil
                              Warren has played for Northern Ireland with many players over the years who would not identify themselves as "British" - he did so without issue on their identity.
                              It's well-known that Warren's a loyal lad to the British cause and when the British national anthem reverberates around Windsor Park before matches, he's there - eyes closed - belting it out with gusto, loud and proud. (Good man yourself, Warren!) Which is a lucky thing really, for if, God forbid, he were ever to let himself be distracted by some of his unruly Catholic team-mates standing down the line beside him, I fear all hell would break loose as he might have noticed their regular snubbing of his national anthem! And worse, on top of that, we'd probably have to suffer another moronic newspaper piece from the plonker.
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                              • Sullivinho
                                First Team
                                • May 2010
                                • 1755

                                #1590
                                Originally posted by Predator
                                Talk of James bringing it upon himself is disturbing. It is a dangerous assertion that merely absolves the idiots that abused him of responsibility for their actions.
                                Bang on.

                                Jon Snow couldn't have coined a more applicable term.

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