The "Will We Stay Up?" thread

[John83]

Technically, I heard it with my ears. I can't lip read.

Touché. However, we were behind the lawyer so lipreading wouldn't have helped unless he was talking out of his ass.

[higgins]

The revenue took yee to court twice to get that money and their barrister said in court that yee didn't stick to the agreed schedule.

All before what I'm talking about..

When the season ended we were set deadlines to pay in full and to come to erms with all creditors. We done all that and to this day have stuck to those agreements.

We were still demoted.

[HarpoJoyce]

All before what I'm talking about..

When the season ended we were set deadlines to pay in full and to come to erms with all creditors. We done all that and to this day have stuck to those agreements.

We were still demoted.

Your demotion was that you were out of the top 12. You present it like Shelbourne are innocent and the FAI vitimicised you.

You voluntarily left the Setanta Cup in Spring of 2007 and the the pressure was on the club whether they were going to compete in the Champions League qualifiers. In recent times Shels most oft-quoted competition. Dermot Keeley is proud of the fact he arrived to a club with two players and friends, Shels didn't think Shels had, helped Shels out.

When players, employees and Service Providers are pressurised to take a cut in income/revenue or are pressurised to renegotiate already agreed contracts to their detriment, this is not an acceptable situation.
Should you get solicitors like Ennio Mallocco back at your club to help you with these vagries in the Law?

[higgins]

When players, employees and Service Providers are pressurised to take a cut in income/revenue or are pressurised to renegotiate already agreed contracts to their detriment, this is not an acceptable situation.

Of course it's unacceptable.
We deserved what we got.

I'm just saying that if the same rules are applied to the current teams in the Premier who have also broken contracts with players then UCD should rightfully stay up.

[HarpoJoyce]

Of course it's unacceptable.
We deserved what we got.

I'm just saying that if the same rules are applied to the current teams in the Premier who have also broken contracts with players then UCD should rightfully stay up.

Thanks for the reply.
On your second point, about broken contracts and relegation. There's alot of people at UCD who believe the same. I'm still undecided about it.
Certainly, a club that went to Court to reneged on contracts and promises through the Examinership process should be serverely punished, including relegation from the Division they are in. I can't defend those clubs' actions in my sporting community and I don't.
I never understand why the High Court's decision in favour of Shamrock Rovers is considered good for the LoI. But I don't understand people who abuse minorities either.

[Dodge]

Of course it's unacceptable.
We deserved what we got.

I'm just saying that if the same rules are applied to the current teams in the Premier who have also broken contracts with players then UCD should rightfully stay up.

Ah the ol' rules are rules spiel. Haven't heard it ina while.

[pineapple stu]

Harps need E150k to qualify for a licence for next year. Probably an element of boy who cried wolf there though.

Pat's going part time too. Looks like only Bohs full time next year, although they're trying to get out of it, offering wage cuts.

The league is going back to where it was ten years ago or so. We really need to get out of the First Division ASAP; could easily establish ourselves as a mid-table Premier team then.

[Titan]

Harps need E150k to qualify for a licence for next year. Probably an element of boy who cried wolf there though.

Pat's going part time too. Looks like only Bohs full time next year, although they're trying to get out of it, offering wage cuts.

The league is going back to where it was ten years ago or so. We really need to get out of the First Division ASAP; could easily establish ourselves as a mid-table Premier team then.

Ah good old mid table obscurity! Can dream I suppose!

Was there any more about the first division only having 22 games next year? I'd be in favour as long as they dont ressurect the shield.

[John83]

Ah good old mid table obscurity! Can dream I suppose!

Was there any more about the first division only having 22 games next year? I'd be in favour as long as they dont ressurect the shield.

I suspect the only way we'll have enough teams for 22 games is if it's just us, Wexford and Monaghan and we play each of them 11 times.

[pineapple stu]

Apparently Cobh voted against a deal to sell their ground to the FAI to clear their debts. I don't understand that club at all.

Opening bit of an article in the Indo -

COBH Ramblers are in danger of being denied a League of Ireland licence for next season after their members dramatically voted against an FAI loan proposal on Sunday evening.

The decision means that their debts of close to €500,000 will remain into the New Year as the January 31 deadline for unpaid monies looms.

With many of the players owed unpaid wages of up to €40,000, and no source of income in the off-season, Ramblers are believed to be resigned to fielding an amateur team next year, whether in the League of Ireland or not.

[Captain2007]

. Other reports have just four teams. Interesting that Bray are there - contradicts the earlier theory that they cut back on players' wages to dip under the 65% wage cap. Looks like there could be big cuts Reports in various papers that they, along with Athlone, Cobh, Harps, Bray and Cork have failed to pay their players by 30 November as per licencingthere next year too.

Bray Players agreed to take a pay cut for the last 3 matches,players on contracts are fully paid hence Ger Rowe been released,and yes the budget for 2009 will be 2/3 of what it was for 2008, Bray will be looking at their successful underage set up to bring some players through especially with the financial situation at present.

[Poor Student]

Without going into the details Drogheda and Harps still look to be in serious difficulty. I think Bohs and Cork are out of the woods with regards to starting in the Premier next season so it would take the unlikely situation of Drogs, Harps and Cobh being unable to secure a licence to give us a chance of staying up. It's strange that this possibility can't be totally ruled out at this late stage.

[DmanDmythDledge]

It seems likely that Drogs won't be getting a license. Given Harps financially difficulties would they want a place in the Premier next season? To avoid adding to their debt they would have to have a team that probably wouldn't be competitive.

[pineapple stu]

Given Harps financially difficulties would they want a place in the Premier next season?

Two games against Derry should answer your question.

[pineapple stu]

Apparently Harps and Cobh have both had their 2009 budgets vetoed by the FAI, which presumably where our small chance lies.