Andy Reid's exclusion

[Duggie]

cant believe he isnt starting.....im raging ! whats going on with this selection?????

[Ordinary Fan]

Madness, Reid's link play with Keane was something I was looking for tonight. Miller and Whealan better than Carsley and Andy Reid. Don't make me laugh.

[Duggie]

im a little worried than our last game before the qualifiers and trap leaves him out. hes our only playmaker in the middle so i just cant understand this decision.

[irishfan86]

The worst part is that from Trap's comments he seems to think Miller is some sort of midfield destroyer. Brutal.

[Reality Bites]

Bring Back Staunton!!

[CJTheGull]

He's our most creative player since Brady - maybe Trapattoni is just trying out another option other than the best available - I know Liam Brady himself is always praising Andy Reid so lets hope it's just to try out something different for a friendly. Better be that anyways!

[neville neville]

Strange one alright, not just to leave him out but then to have millar on stand-by

I read an article in the paper at the weekend where the Trap was saying what an important role Andy had to play. strange to leave him out after that

[CJTheGull]

Ther must be method in the madness - andy reid's our most creative player since liam brady.

[joema]

Terrible decision IMO, Andy Reid is ten times more talented than Miller and Whelan. Really expected Trap to play Andy in the centre, if I was Andy I'd be gutted.

[finnpark]

cant believe he isnt starting.....im fcking raging ! whats going on with this selection?????

Yes, can't understand it either. reid does need to lose a few poinds/stone but hes way better than Miller/Reid.

Why Robbie Keane is on ahead of Murphy I do not know. Has Trap watched keane play recently? :rolleyes:

[Duggie]

Yes, can't understand it either. reid does need to lose a few poinds/stone but hes way better than Miller/Reid.

Why Robbie Keane is on ahead of Murphy I do not know. Has Trap watched keane play recently? :rolleyes:

have you
what planet are u on

[finnpark]

have you
what planet are u on

Ive watched both of Keane's 2 competitive matches this season against lige and Sunderland. He was absolutely terrible in both hence he was subsituted in both.

Last season Ramos dropped him. The stats show that when Keane plays for Spurs their average performance/points return dropped. When was the last time he had a good game? :confused:

Murphy is no goal hanger but hes excellent in the air and can shoot from long range. he is excellent at keeping possession of the ball something Keane cannot do.

[drummerboy]

Unfortunately Murphy's job is to score goals. Think he scored 3 or 4 last season, where as Keane scored 23. Slight difference.

[Duggie]

Ive watched both of Keane's 2 competitive matches this season against lige and Sunderland. He was absolutely terrible in both hence he was subsituted in both.

Last season Ramos dropped him. The stats show that when Keane plays for Spurs their average performance/points return dropped. When was the last time he had a good game? :confused:

Murphy is no goal hanger but hes excellent in the air and can shoot from long range. he is excellent at keeping possession of the ball something Keane cannot do.

u have not got a clue mate, i couldnt even be bothered.

[finnpark]

Unfortunately Murphy's job is to score goals. Think he scored 3 or 4 last season, where as Keane scored 23. Slight difference.

Keane scored 13 in the Premiership last season, 4 of which I think were penos.

We will see the great Keano tonight, hope you are all right. No excuses tonight then!!!

[drummerboy]

If you think Murphy is a better player than Robbie Keane, you need a brain transplant.

[as_i_say]

Bashing Robbie Keane is the most redundant thing to be posted on this forum and how it still rears its head the odd time is beyond me.

Murphy however did have a decent season last year for Sunderland and deserves a place in the squad but still has much to do to dislodge Keane/Doyle but would be a genuine option on the left in the absence of duff and hunt

[elroy]

Keanes record speaks for itself, I will always stand up for the guy in an Irish shirt. No doubt he is our best striker.

Strange decision on reid but before making judgement lets see how things go tonight, whos to say Trap is not just trying out something different, the right game to try it in. I think Reid looked alot similar in the game last sat than he has for a long time.

[tetsujin1979]

Last season Ramos dropped him.When was he dropped?

The stats show that when Keane plays for Spurs their average performance/points return dropped.What stats?
You said the same thing in the other thread about Keane, and when I called you on it, you couldn't back it up. So put up or shut up, where are these mythical stats you speak of?

[drinkfeckarse]

Murphy is no goal hanger but hes excellent in the air and can shoot from long range. he is excellent at keeping possession of the ball something Keane cannot do.

I laughed at the whole post but this bit in particular got me. Ah sure we might as well play him and lump it forward all night because he's good in the air :D

Lond balls like that would be bread and butter to any decent International centre half worth their salt :eek:

And every player can shoot from long range. Murphy got a couple of rakers last season and you obviously thought he was Roy of the Rovers after it. Keane has his faults but is twice the player Murphy is (albeit completely different players) but you are the one suggesting a like for like change. :D

The even funnier thing is that I wouldn't mind seeing how a Murphy and Keane partnership would look.

[pete]

Reid looks like Michelin man & will need a couple of months to work off the close season excesses. I predict he will be larger than the old Pat Dolan when he retires. Disgrace for a professional footballer.

[boovidge]

Does it really matter what he looks like when he puts in the performances? He could be rick wallers body double for all I care if it doesnt effect his play.

[Brendan 82]

Reid looks like Michelin man & will need a couple of months to work off the close season excesses. I predict he will be larger than the old Pat Dolan when he retires. Disgrace for a professional footballer.

Is anyone else totally sick of statements like this? Think about it for one second. Andy Reid played the full ninety minutes against Liverpool. To suggest that someone who is fat or unfit could do this is retarded. Thats 90 minutes of professional football; I saw the game and Reid was well able to hack the pace for the duration of the game.

Also people calling for Robbie to be dropped are player haters and nothing else. No football argument can be made for him to be excluded from our starting eleven. I would love to see Keane and Murphy play up front together, mostly because I think Keane does his best work while playing with someone who has a good few inches on him.

The midfield question is complicated. I would say that A. Reid and Steven Ireland(should he ever return) are our most talented midfielders. Unfortunately it would appear that playing the two of them in a starting eleven would be suicide.

I'm not pushed on Miller, would like to see more of Whelan, holding out hope that S. Reid realizes some of his potential, have pretty much given up on Ireland, but really I am just waiting for James McCarthy to come along and sort out this nonsense. Heres hoping...

[boovidge]

maybe he was talking about this Andy Reid

http://blog.footballguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/areid.jpg

[joema]

Reid looks like Michelin man & will need a couple of months to work off the close season excesses. I predict he will be larger than the old Pat Dolan when he retires. Disgrace for a professional footballer.

:rolleyes: I think that quote just about sums up your ability to judge a player.

[pete]

:rolleyes: I think that quote just about sums up your ability to judge a player.

I have seen him play for Ireland live many times & never seen him perform for more than 60 minutes (always great in the first half). When I saw him on TV last night thought he had a few players of tracksuits. He looks like the sort of player who puts on a lot of weigh when not playing which is what I suggested will happen when he retires.

Anyway I won't drag this on as an old debate...

[newbie]

I have seen him play for Ireland live many times & never seen him perform for more than 60 minutes (always great in the first half). When I saw him on TV last night thought he had a few players of tracksuits. He looks like the sort of player who puts on a lot of weigh when not playing which is what I suggested will happen when he retires.

Anyway I won't drag this on as an old debate...

alot of players pack on the wieght when they retire...

look at Ray Houghton for example.

[irishfan86]

I would love to see Keane and Murphy play up front together, mostly because I think Keane does his best work while playing with someone who has a good few inches on him.

Might be time to recall "Daddy Dick."

[Brendan 82]

might be time to recall "daddy dick."

snap!

[zenokelly]

Keane scored 13 in the Premiership last season, 4 of which I think were penos.

We will see the great Keano tonight, hope you are all right. No excuses tonight then!!!

Yw I saw him score a pretty nice goal, what's your point?:p

[eirebhoy]

Lad's don't be letting finnpark drag a thread of topic.


Last season Ramos dropped him. The stats show that when Keane plays for Spurs their average performance/points return dropped. When was the last time he had a good game? :confused:

testujin replied to all these points you made only a week ago and you didn't bother your arse to continue the debate.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=999739#post999739

Don't be starting it again.

This topic's about Andy Reid exclusion from the team tonight. Let's keep it on topic.

[fergalr]

This topic's about Andy Reid exclusion from the team tonight. Let's keep it on topic.

Has Trap not explained this already? At home he'll play the two Reids while away he wants an extra holding midfielder.

Makes sense to me.

[eirebhoy]

I have seen him play for Ireland live many times & never seen him perform for more than 60 minutes (always great in the first half). When I saw him on TV last night thought he had a few players of tracksuits. He looks like the sort of player who puts on a lot of weigh when not playing which is what I suggested will happen when he retires.
He was absolutely class for 90 minutes against Germany. I had all his best clips of that game on youtube (before my account was closed for some unknown reason) and there was plenty of clips from past the hour mark. Martin Jol answered the question.

Martin Jol:
"We did tests with Andy last week and it showed that he is one of the fittest players at the club.

Andy knows his fitness. He is a small guy so maybe he looks a little out of shape but I tell you he isn't.

It is not an issue. His heart rate was excellent. His recovery was terrific and I have no complaints.

"We conducted some body fat tests on him and the results were good."


Les Reid:
"He is fit. You have only got to look at the amount of running he was doing and how he was still going at the end to see that

He’s never talked about his weight to me. Maybe it gets to him but it certainly doesn’t bother him and it won’t stop him playing. He’s always going to be stocky. Ferenc Puskas died recently, but he might have been the original Andy Reid!"


Has Trap not explained this already?
That doesn't mean there's no discussion to be had.

[irishfan86]

Has Trap not explained this already? At home he'll play the two Reids while away he wants an extra holding midfielder.

Makes sense to me.

Not exactly what he said. He said that he would consider playing the two Reids at home against weaker opposition, and away from home he would consider playing Andy "in the hole" as part of a 4-5-1.

[zenokelly]

I couldn't believe that he wasn't given at least 20 minutes, I'd say he is very much pee'd off after travelling all that way to just to get soaked on the touchline. I don't see why Trap couldn't tell him to sit back a bit,if that's what he wants. He can still spray balls left, right and centre, and I think he is good defensively.

I didn't see what Whelan did tonight that Andy wouldn't do a whole lot better. Whelan can't impose himself on a game, and is not very physical, which is an attribute that is believed Trap is looking for in the centre.

A baffling decision. I just hope he was being rested:p
Liam Miller staying on the bench has to be a massive positive though!

N.B. I know that you can't judge Whelan on tonight's match alone but I've seen Whelan numerous other times and Reid is a much better player all-round.

[Junior]

Lad's don't be letting finnpark drag a thread of topic.


testujin replied to all these points you made only a week ago and you didn't bother your arse to continue the debate.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=999739#post999739

Don't be starting it again.

This topic's about Andy Reid exclusion from the team tonight. Let's keep it on topic.

Thank fcuk you posted that. Ive been reading all those posts thinking, Im sure Ive seen these points before somewhere - thought I was losing my marbles!!!!!

[tetsujin1979]

Thank fcuk you posted that. Ive been reading all those posts thinking, Im sure Ive seen these points before somewhere - thought I was losing my marbles!!!!!You thought you were losing your marbles?? I thought I was in Groundhog Day! Ned Ryerson??!!

[Wexford Delboy]

Trap understands football ten times more dan ny1 on this forum so for once im willing 2put my faith in our manager on what his team selection is

[tricky_colour]

Problem is most of our best players are left wingers.
We have more left-wingers than the New Labour - well about the same number anyway.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Trap understands football ten times more dan ny1 on this forum so for once im willing 2put my faith in our manager on what his team selection is
Just because someone is a great manager that doesn't mean they are infallible. Sometimes they make an error of judgement and I think leaving Reid out was definitely that.

[eirebhoy]

Just because someone is a great manager that doesn't mean they are infallible. Sometimes they make an error of judgement and I think leaving Reid out was definitely that.
I don't. I think he knows as much as any of us how good Reid is and knows that's a better footballer than Miller and Whelan. Pirlo wasn't getting his game for Italy because he was a central midfielder who Trap didn't think was good enough defensively. That's a CL winner and one of the best players in the world.

[seanfhear]

Problem is most of our best players are left wingers.
We have more left-wingers than the New Labour - well about the same number anyway.
If we only had one leftwinger then we would have more than new labour!

[NeilMcD]

Eh he has already scored for us this year against Colombia and by your logic he must be playing for Ireland for 34 years when he has actually only being playing 10 yeasrs so that is 3.4 goals per year.

[irishultra]

I hate people who say 'we don't have the players'

I think all countries unless you are one of the top countries should stop playing from now on because they don't have these magical players.

[Ordinary Fan]

Having watched the game I still think that Andy Reid coud contribute more the Whealan or McGeady. It appears to be a trait of Irish managers to have a blind sport towards a certain player for no particular reason.
I just hope that Andy stays fit and continues to show that you don't have to have a six-pack to play football at the top level.

[Stuttgart88]

I hate people who say 'we don't have the players'

Hear hear. Especially when they don't qualify it by saying what it is we don't have the players for.

Do we have the players to:

(a) win a world cup? No
(b) win a qualification group? Probably not.
(c) come second? Possibly
(d) win an away game against a first or second seed, anytime / anywhere, just once in 20 years? Probably
(e) beat a good team once or twice in a campaign? Yes
(g) pass the ball to each other rather than hoofing it? Yes
(f) avoid being thrashed by fcuking Cyprus? Yes

[tetsujin1979]

Still a place for Andy Reid in the side, according to Trapattoni: http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_4025219,00.html
It does look like missing out on the training camp in May has cost Andy, but it's given Whelan a chance to impress, and he's grabbed it with both hands

[galwayhoop]

i don't think our squad is strong enough to win the group. not by a long way. (hope i'm wrong obviously!!!)

i mean last night we put had all our players available (afaik) and the 11 that took to the field, on paper anyway, is one that any third or fourth seed in europe would be optimistic of at least drawing with at home.

unfortunately Ireland (and the british teams who play a similar style to us) are technically average and mid level central and eastern european sides are closing the gap annually and in some cases overtaking us.

[irishultra]

Shay Given, Steve Finnan, Richard Dunne, Steven Reid, Aiden McGeady, Damien Duf and Robbie Keane..on paper I think that looks damn good.

We have only a population of just over 4.5 million, our squad unless we had a golden era, realistically this is as good as we should have.

I don't think Czech Republic are so good on paper nor Croatia but that doesn't stop them from being a success. I believe we have a far more talented squad than Scotland...and they came so close to qualification...within a game. They really could have won their group.

Norn Iron were within a game of qualifying(although not exactly realistically) and we have a much better squad than them. Only Evans and McCartney would have a hope of making our team(McCartney most likely, and possibly soon Evans)

[irishfan86]

Only Evans and McCartney would have a hope of making our team(McCartney most likely, and possibly soon Evans)

I'd take Evans over O'Shea at centreback any day.