Trapp. Please give these lads a chance. [Archive]

FarBeag

10/03/2008, 9:43 PM

Wes Hoolahan.(Midfield) I like the look of this guy.He may be small but he is consistently good week in week out with Blackpool. Pulls all the strings in the center and usually gets MOTM there.

Liam Lawrence.( Midfield) He has to be called up. Has all the attributes of a good mid field player big and strong, athletic with a good engine and has scored 14 goals this season so far

Sean St Ledger. (Center back) We need a center back and its unlikely Andy O ‘Brien will come back. He is a better back than McShane imo and is doing well at Preston.

Steven McPhail.(Midfield) Skillful player and did well yesterday against Middlesboro. Regular with Cardiff.

Rory Delap.. Versatile. Big and strong and playing well for Stoke.

Damian Delaney( Left Back) I have seen this guy play about five times this year and he is good. Big tall guy who likes to get forward and much more reliable than Kilbane in this position

Jay Tabb and Michael Doyle. Regulars for Coventry and both good players.

Paddy Kenny( Goal keeper) Best keeper we have after Shay. We need him back.

Derek Geary. Knocking on the door now for a bit. Stan ignored him for some reason .I think he should be give a chance

Martin Rowlands.( midfield) I really like this guy. Everytime I see him play his does well. Very intelligent ball player.

Clinton Morrison.(forward) Has never let us down and is doing well at Palace this season.

I know that all these guys are Championship players but they are not far behind the ones we have in the squad already and some maybe better .I think they should be given a chance and maybe just maybe some of them will surprise even the more pessimistic among us. There are more out there but I thing these guys are the ones I think have a realistic chance of making it. At least these guys would have pride pulling on the green jersey unlike that little Ireland git who appears not to know what he wants.

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

paul_oshea

10/03/2008, 9:46 PM

Diarmo

10/03/2008, 9:54 PM

Sean St Ledger[/B]. (Center back) We need a center back and its unlikely Andy O ‘Brien will come back. He is a better back than McShane imo and is doing well at Preston.

I for one think that its highly likely that O'Brien will come back. His decision to retire wasn't injury related and he's still only 28. He'll be back.

Another option on centre half would be Gary Doherty. Don't all laugh at once. Since O'Brien and Breen retired (discounting O'Shea as we may need him at left back) our most capped CB available at the moment is McShane (9 caps). Bruce, St. Ledger, Bennett, O'Cearuil etc. have about 3 caps between them. Doherty has around 30, and has been in decent form for Norwich lately, maybe we should consider him as experienced (by comparison) back up?

carloz

10/03/2008, 9:55 PM

Some of those just are not going to get called up again. Unfortunatly Delap and McPhails time has come and gone. I dont think Geary would cut it at international level. Michael Doyle and Jay Tabb are trying to get into positions where they will have a lot of competition. Mark Yeates was prety impressive early season, maybe he could be included. I agree with most of those you stated, especially Lawrence and Hoolahan. Both have been excellent. Morrison should be almost assured his comeback to the squad

FarBeag

10/03/2008, 10:11 PM

ah i dont know how many of those lads at the age they are at are worth giving a go than the younger lads in the championship.

Preston aren't doing that well this year, and st ledger is playing in the centre for them isn't he?! He and delaney are the only youngish fella out of all those. I dont think we should be looking to unproven old fellas at this stage. CHampionship should be there as back up, not as first choice...

Btw farbeag, do you think Trap reads this forum?! :D

To be fair Paul I don�t think that any of them are over thirty. Many people wrote off Steven Hunt before he was called up so why not give these boys a shot. There are not a lot coming through in the younger group as far as I can see and all these lads, championship or not play regular football. Anyway you wouldn�t know Paul re Trapps. I wish Stan did though. Maybe then he would have known these players existed.

tetsujin1979

10/03/2008, 11:01 PM

Mark Yeates was prety impressive early season, maybe he could be included.
He's dislocated his shoulder and is out for the rest of the season. Colchester look like getting relegated

4tothefloor

11/03/2008, 12:43 AM

Owen Garvan and Sean Scannell are better prospects than half of that list. Glenn Whelan should also be ahead of a lot mentioned there. Lawerence, Hoolahan, Morrison and Kiely I agree with. Delaney too simply on the basis that all our current left siders are crap. McPhail maybe, but he and hoolahan are the same players so I think Wes should be given his chance.

I don't really rate St. Ledger, Darren O'Dea at Celtic has better potential. Both are better than McShane though in my opinion

eirebhoy

11/03/2008, 8:06 AM

I always mention Lawrences assist stats but they can't be ignored.

http://www.itfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10272~20077,00.html

Wolfie

11/03/2008, 8:17 AM

Agree that Garvan and Whelan should be included for training camp and May friendlies.

boovidge

11/03/2008, 10:46 AM

most of that list is past it now. We have the main nucleus of the squad, theres no need to bring players like Delap and Mcphail back into the question.

youngirish

11/03/2008, 10:51 AM

most of that list is past it now. We have the main nucleus of the squad, theres no need to bring players like Delap and Mcphail back into the question.

Exactly. Other than Tabb, Lawrence, Morrison and J Walters I don't see too much else in the Championship that should be pushing to be included in the upcoming squads. Chris McCann and Garvan (if/when he regains his place) should possibly be also looked at as they look to be likely regular future senior Internationals and the experience would be good for them. Being stuck for defenders St Ledger might also be needed but he's not a long term solution to our defensive problems. Hopefully McShane or O'Dea can improve and cement a place in the starting line ups for their clubs.

On current form I'd definitely have Walters, Morrison and Tabb in the next squad. I've been particularly impressed with Tabb this season in the Championship.

shakermaker1982

11/03/2008, 11:07 AM

Owen Garvan (fingers crossed) will make a breakthrough next season. Lawrence deserves a call up after his brilliant season at Stoke. He has a physical presence (something we lack), is a good crosser of the ball and scores goals.

jmurphyc

11/03/2008, 12:59 PM

Isn't St Ledger supposed to be good at playing the ball out from the back? If that's the case then he's definitely worth a look, especially if we change our style and play it on the ground more often in this campaign.

kingdom hoop

11/03/2008, 1:52 PM

Lawrence and Morrison should be on the bench. Rest of them are B team material, should be ignored.

Risky strategy! We've only about 20 players to pick ahead of our Championship brigade. So a few injuries, complete lack of form/playing time, suspensions, dead grannies, or a genuine lack of options in given position, and we will be calling upon a few of those mentioned above. By all means you ignore them if you want, but I'd hope Chippy will be a bit more professional. :)

Bluebeard

11/03/2008, 2:05 PM

Has no one mentioned Ronnie O'Brien???

kingdom hoop

11/03/2008, 2:30 PM

Damn, I take it you must've missed last month's dramatic denouement when it was finally exposed that Billsthoughts was in fact Ronnie O'Brien's grandmother, so then dahamsta decided to ban all discussion of said Ronnie for fear of "Bill" literally bursting with rage. How did you miss that? :(

FarBeag

11/03/2008, 7:54 PM

For some that holds water but to be honest I can think of about 20 midfielders I'd pick before Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. :rolleyes:

We should stick with the 23 to 24 players we have then, is this you are saying? I don�t think we have this privilege. Have you even seen any of these lads play? I am not saying they all will get into the full squad but some of them should be there imo.Lawrences form this season speaks for itself and fourteen goals from a midfield player is not bad is it? Rowlands is a fine player( better than Whelan) from what I have seen of him and I would throw Delaney into the left back position.I would also include Morrison Paddy Kenny Hoolahan and Tabb for sure.

Razors left peg

11/03/2008, 7:57 PM

We should stick with the 23 to 24 players we have then, is this you are saying? I don�t think we have this privilege. Have you even seen any of these lads play? I am not saying they all will get into the full squad but some of them should be there imo.Lawrences form this season speaks for itself and fourteen goals from a midfield player is not bad is it? Rowlands is a fine player( better than Whelan) from what I have seen of him and I would throw Delaney into the left back position.I would also include Morrison Paddy Kenny Hoolahan and Tabb for sure.

I've been very impressed with Rowlands anytime Ive seen him and he is only 29 so could be a good squad player... has to be better than Douglas anyway

kingdom hoop

11/03/2008, 9:50 PM

For some that holds water but to be honest I can think of about 20 midfielders I'd pick before Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. :rolleyes:

Right, very good Ciaran. I made no mention of those fine players though; I simply pointed out that anyone (as in half-decent, Irish, Championship players) discussed in this thread shouldn't, as you had opined, be ignored. Anyway, it'd be great if you could move the debate up a notch (or try be jokey instead of sarky maybe) and reveal who those 20 are and why you'd pick them....

For my bit, I wonder if selecting under or over 25s is the better idea when there isn't a great deal of talent difference? Lads who have had consistent seasons of regular first-team football, or those who are just making their way in the game, have shown the promise to suggest they will be decent alternatives in time, but might be a riskier shout at the moment? The elder might be more solid and appreciate the chance that little bit more, but maybe the younger might prove to be 'naturals' and should get the experience? :confused: :)

nui-harp

11/03/2008, 10:06 PM

hopefully he tries to talk kevin nolan round to play. i kno he should want to play and not be begged but the guy is a quality player

zenokelly

11/03/2008, 10:21 PM

I would be expecting Lawrence to be in the next squad, the only two others I would take from that list is Kenny, with Given's injuries these days & McPhail. I may be wrong but McPhail may be a bit too lightweight for an international player.

Delap??? Please not Trap:eek:

cavan_fan

11/03/2008, 10:22 PM

hopefully he tries to talk kevin nolan round to play. i kno he should want to play and not be begged but the guy is a quality player

No he isnt, he was briefly, now he is sh*t and thats probably a more accurate picture.

dr_peepee

11/03/2008, 11:00 PM

as far as i know the kevin nolan thing is a no go now since the window closed....

tetsujin1979

11/03/2008, 11:35 PM

For some that holds water but to be honest I can think of about 20 midfielders I'd pick before Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. :rolleyes:
Go on then. 20 Midfielders. With reasons why you'd have them ahead of Tabb, Delap and Rowlands

tetsujin1979

11/03/2008, 11:35 PM

hopefully he tries to talk kevin nolan round to play. i kno he should want to play and not be begged but the guy is a quality player
Quality or not, he's ineligible.

jmurphyc

12/03/2008, 12:59 AM

Go on then. 20 Midfielders. With reasons why you'd have them ahead of Tabb, Delap and Rowlands

Yeah, I mean are there even 20 midfielders playing in the championship or above that are Irish? Some of these I would barely have heard of so how Ciaran could easily do so is beyond me. I personally think that Rowlands did okay the last time he was selected for Ireland. Not 100% sure, as they were a long time ago and I only saw them once, but he didn't seem to stand out as being a weak link.

theworm2345

12/03/2008, 3:19 AM

tetsujin1979

12/03/2008, 8:25 AM

20 midfielders better than Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. For most explanations isn't necessary

(1) Damien Duff
(2) Aiden McGeady
(3) Andy Reid
(4) Steven Reid
(5) Steven Ireland
(6) Lee Carsley
(7) Stephen Hunt
(8) Joey O Brien
(9) Keith Treacy
(10) Darren Potter
(11) Darren Gibson
(12) Kevin Kilbane
(13) Liam Miller
(14) Liam Lawerence
(15) Roy O Donovon
(16) Daryl Murphy
(17) Graham Kavanagh
(18) Stephen Quinn
(19) Wes Hoolihan
(20) Stephen McPhail

viola! :D

You could explain Keith Treacy (who has played twice for Blackburn) and Roy O'Donovan and Daryl Murphy (who aren't midfielders)
Also, why are you including these players, given your past comments on them?

Kilbane - Overrated. I don't think he adds anything. Can't pass, can't control play, can't tackle. Best he can do is unsettle people (or just crack open Schweinstiegers head).

I feel any game Ireland plays we're assured to lose the midfield battle as he can't hold on to the ball or pass it well at all.

jmurphyc

12/03/2008, 8:46 AM

20 midfielders better than Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. For most explanations isn't necessary

(1) Damien Duff
(2) Aiden McGeady
(3) Andy Reid
(4) Steven Reid
(5) Steven Ireland
(6) Lee Carsley
(7) Stephen Hunt
(8) Joey O Brien
(9) Keith Treacy
(10) Darren Potter
(11) Darren Gibson
(12) Kevin Kilbane
(13) Liam Miller
(14) Liam Lawerence
(15) Roy O Donovon
(16) Daryl Murphy
(17) Graham Kavanagh
(18) Stephen Quinn
(19) Wes Hoolihan
(20) Stephen McPhail

viola! :D

A few of those are quite iffy. So would you rather have Kavanagh playing on the wing than say Tabb or Rowlands? The funny thing is that at the start of the season you probably would have said the same about Lawrence as you're saying about the 3 midfielders you don't rate.

geysir

12/03/2008, 8:55 AM

:confused:
And no mention of John Joe O'Toole. Only one decent start so far for the u21's, but making a good impression in the Championship with Watford.
He has to be one of the young players jockeying for a squad place.

NeilMcD

12/03/2008, 10:56 AM

I would have O Toole and Garvan in that list no problem.

livehead1

12/03/2008, 10:56 AM

Roy O D started on the right wing did he not? And Daryll is a very competent winger, I've seen him play there a few times and he does a decent job there. He's got the pace and vision to do fine there (Stokes not so much), not A material but certainly one of our top 20 options!

On my Kilbane and Ireland criticisms it's more in comparison to the better first team options than them. Just so we're clear, if we play Ireland we'd lose the midfield battle. If we play Rowlands it'd be a compliment to our decimated midfield to even call it a battle! :D

But if you want to remove a couple fine, those guys still aren't close to the list. FYI Garvan and Michael Doyle are 21st and 22nd.

What are you on about...You made a daft throw away remark, indeed an exageration; saying there are 20 players ahead of those mentioned above. Now when pushed on the matter you've managed to find 20 midfielders who are playing at a reasonable level and included them in there ahead of them. Your post is absolute sh*te. Coleman described Tabb last week as a 'little gem', whilst the other week removed the captaincy from Michael Doyle. Also, QPR have been subject to a recent takeover and despite a mass influx of players Rowlands has managed to keep his place.

That only demonstrates a minor point, the fact of the matter is, your list is bull, does not ring true, and anyone who watches these players on a regular basis knows that.

theworm2345

12/03/2008, 11:22 AM

Are we talking about a friendly here or a qualifier? If a qualifier (or one of Trapp's first two matches) I see no reason anymore than 3-4 of them should be called. If, for example, the Norway friendly, I don't see any reason why 6-8 of them shouldn't get called and play at least half an hour.

youngirish

12/03/2008, 12:53 PM

20 midfielders better than Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. For most explanations isn't necessary

(1) Damien Duff
(2) Aiden McGeady
(3) Andy Reid
(4) Steven Reid
(5) Steven Ireland
(6) Lee Carsley
(7) Stephen Hunt
(8) Joey O Brien
(9) Keith Treacy
(10) Darren Potter
(11) Darren Gibson
(12) Kevin Kilbane
(13) Liam Miller
(14) Liam Lawerence
(15) Roy O Donovon
(16) Daryl Murphy
(17) Graham Kavanagh
(18) Stephen Quinn
(19) Wes Hoolihan
(20) Stephen McPhail

viola! :D

Ciaran I don't see a single player below 8th on that list that is a better player than Tabb at present.

Roy O'Donovan, Darren Potter, Darren Gibson, Graham Kavanagh, Liam Miller, Keith Treacy, Kevin Kilbane, Stephen McPhail. Are you serious?

Dr. Ogba

12/03/2008, 1:13 PM

Also, QPR have been subject to a recent takeover and despite a mass influx of players Rowlands has managed to keep his place.
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not to mention the fact that he's currently captaining QPR aswell.

I think its deffo worth calling up a lot of these guys for the training camp. Why not? sure it'll help Trap get to know what he's dealing with as regards backup players for injuries and also lets the players know that if they knuckle down and play well then they have the chance of being in future squads.

Ciaran - about half of your list is absolute bull and the other half is just obvious. I'd deffo be willing to give Rowlands and Tabb a chance in the squad ahead of most of the guys below #8 (bar Kilbane obviously!!)

cavan_fan

12/03/2008, 2:07 PM

20 midfielders better than Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. For most explanations isn't necessary

viola! :D

What have their musical skills got to do with anything

jbyrne

12/03/2008, 2:30 PM

Damian Delaney( Left Back) I have seen this guy play about five times this year and he is good. Big tall guy who likes to get forward and much more reliable than Kilbane in this position

really. you can tell that an untried championship player is "more reliable" than a seasoned international with over 80 caps?

kingdom hoop

12/03/2008, 2:37 PM

viola! :D

I don't think Everton fans would share your mirth for the might of Fiorentina! :)

the fact of the matter is, your list is bull, does not ring true, and anyone who watches these players on a regular basis knows that.

FACT.

FarBeag

12/03/2008, 5:05 PM

20 midfielders better than Tabb, Delap and Rowlands. For most explanations isn't necessary

(1) Damien Duff
(2) Aiden McGeady
(3) Andy Reid
(4) Steven Reid
(5) Steven Ireland
(6) Lee Carsley
(7) Stephen Hunt
(8) Joey O Brien
(9) Keith Treacy
(10) Darren Potter
(11) Darren Gibson
(12) Kevin Kilbane
(13) Liam Miller
(14) Liam Lawerence
(15) Roy O Donovon
(16) Daryl Murphy
(17) Graham Kavanagh
(18) Stephen Quinn
(19) Wes Hoolihan
(20) Stephen McPhail

viola! :D

I will never admit to being an expert on all thing football related and most posters on here have a better knowledge of the game than i do, but when i see posts like this it make me feel a lot better.You are just clutching at straws so as to make your silly comment justifiable which you cant do so you continue to dig.

Anyway if you watched some of these players actually play football from time to time you would have a better idea of their ability.They should be given the chance and let Mr Trapattoni decide if they are good enough or not.

FarBeag

12/03/2008, 5:12 PM

really. you can tell that an untried championship player is "more reliable" than a seasoned international with over 80 caps?

Yeah really.Are you referring to Kevin Kilbane here? If so how many of his 80 caps have been won playing as a left back? He is not good enough for this role imo and we need someone there who is.DD play's there week in week out for QPR,and is our only upcoming left back apart from O Halloran who is injured.Give me a reason why he should not be given a chance here apart from your seasoned international one?

jbyrne

12/03/2008, 5:17 PM

Yeah really.Are you referring to Kevin Kilbane here? If so how many of his 80 caps have been won playing as a left back? He is not good enough for this role imo and we need someone there who is.DD play's there week in week out for QPR,and is our only upcoming left back apart from O Halloran who is injured.Give me a reason why he should not be given a chance here apart from your seasoned international one?

by all means give him a chance but playing at international level is a whole different world to playing the likes of colchester in the championship

FarBeag

12/03/2008, 5:41 PM

by all means give him a chance but playing at international level is a whole different world to playing the likes of colchester in the championship

Yes i know but its not a position i feel comfortable with KK or JOS in. Give the chap a fair chance and if he fails so be it. We can go looking for another left back somewhere else as we have an abundance of them knocking on our door.

Diarmo

12/03/2008, 6:31 PM

by all means give him a chance but playing at international level is a whole different world to playing the likes of colchester in the championship

Then what's the point of calling up any Championship players?

deecay

12/03/2008, 6:41 PM

Wes Hoolahan,Liam Lawrence and Paddy Kenny should be in the squad.Jay Tabb should be given a chance,a very exciting player

backstothewall

12/03/2008, 7:10 PM

FarBeag

12/03/2008, 7:28 PM

Have to say i agree with that entire list with the exceptions of and Kavanagh, Treacy and O'Donovan

Let�s make the list a bit smaller then. Liam Miller (can�t make a struggling Sunderland team) Steven Quinn (in and out of a Struggling Sheff utd team) Darren Gibson who I rate by the way can�t make a struggling Wolves team same as Darren Potter.Daryl Murphy is a makeshift mid-field player because Keane sees him having a good attitude.So i guess this moves Tabb and Rowlands quite away up that list.

Stuttgart88

12/03/2008, 7:33 PM

I agree totally with the general jist of Far Beag's original post. Obviously you can't populate the whole squad with championship players but I think Stan totally overdid it with his "building for the future" pretensions. Plenty of those listed have done a lot more at club level than some of those capped by Stan and given game time in crucial games.

By the way I think Jay Tabb is a lovely footballer, very skillful. Unfortunately he's even more of a midget than the rest of our midgets. Given the chance I personally think he could be as effective at a mid-ranking club as David Bentley who has got a lot of accolades this season.