Trapp. Please give these lads a chance. [Archive] - Page 2

the doc

13/03/2008, 12:27 PM

ah i dont know how many of those lads at the age they are at are worth giving a go than the younger lads in the championship.

Preston aren't doing that well this year, and st ledger is playing in the centre for them isn't he?! He and delaney are the only youngish fella out of all those. I dont think we should be looking to unproven old fellas at this stage. CHampionship should be there as back up, not as first choice...

Btw farbeag, do you think Trap reads this forum?! :D

The Saint has played at CB, RB and Midfield for Preston this season, yes Preston aren't doing too well this season.
St Ledger has been playing well and the rumours are that Everton has asked to be kept informed of any bids for him.

I think if we don't get this lad tied to us we could lose him as he is eligible for England and NI too as he has yet to be capped for us.

Given the chance (no pun intended) St Ledger would do well under the coaching of Trapp as St Ledger's game is based on bringing to ball out from the back, is very comfortable on the ball, has pace, reads the game well and is good in the air and on the deck.

Has to be worth a shout! so what players do you think will be in the squad for the training camp in Portugal

eirebhoy

13/03/2008, 12:32 PM

I wonder was Tardelli, Trapp or Brady watchin Sunderland reserves play ManUtd last night - there were three Irish on show - Harte, Mc Shane and Miller. It was quite embarrassing as not one of them played well`(well maybe Mc Shane played ok?)
Did you watch it?

BigmanCas

13/03/2008, 12:57 PM

Did you watch it?
Yip - as did Roy Keane, he was in the small crowd. It was on ManUtd TV. No players of note playing except the Irish lads. Sunderland got a penalty in the last minute for a deliberate hand ball and Harte put it away to win the game 1-0. It sent shudders up my spine when I seen him step up to take it!! Spain - WC 2002 all over again. Trapp will have to plan without these three on last nights' performance.

BigmanCas

13/03/2008, 1:05 PM

I lie - I suppose Carlos Edwards made his return for Sunderland - Good player.

gustavo

13/03/2008, 1:38 PM

I wonder was Tardelli, Trapp or Brady watchin Sunderland reserves play ManUtd last night - there were three Irish on show - .

Roy O'Donovan played too , he is also Irish

BigmanCas

13/03/2008, 2:01 PM

Roy O'Donovan played too , he is also Irish
Yip - augers well.

OwlsFan

13/03/2008, 3:10 PM

Harte put it away to win the game 1-0. It sent shudders up my spine when I seen him step up to take it!! Spain - WC 2002 all over again. Trapp will have to plan without these three on last nights' performance.

And yet you will still find a fair few Ian Harte supporters on here despite the fact that 6 years ago in Korea he was a liability defensively (lacking pace and positional sense) and I don't think he has improved since.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=870

jbyrne

13/03/2008, 3:34 PM

How can anyone forget that after missing a penalty early on in the game v Spain - he had the audacity to think he was still the penalty taker for the one to level the match in the 90th minute. I remember Robbie Keane coming up to him (like a baseball manager coming from the dugout to take the ball from the pitcher - signalling a change) and demanding the ball. Well done Robbie!! And what a great penalty it was...

can a player come back onto the pitch to take a penalty? my memory is that harte had gone off by the time we won that second pen :confused:

BigmanCas

13/03/2008, 3:42 PM

can a player come back onto the pitch to take a penalty? my memory is that harte had gone off by the time we won that second pen :confused:
You are correct - he was taken off in the 82 min and replaced with David Connolly (my god!!!!). Forgive me - I had convinced myself down through the years that Robbie demanded the ball from Harte. There you go - he had to hit it so. ah well - I always used that situation to portray Keane's lionheart - it didn't happen. Thanks for pointing that out JB.

jbyrne

13/03/2008, 3:52 PM

no problem!

to be honest i dont ever think that anyone said that harte was the real deal but after irwins premature retiremant we didnt have a whole lot of choice. given our recent qualifying disasters i would be reluctant to give anyone who helped us qualify with that team a hard time. also, it is a well known fact that harte played through a lot of pain in that world cup. had injections that effectively numbed his foot to allow him play through the pain.... cant fault a man for effort and committment!

tetsujin1979

13/03/2008, 4:13 PM

You are correct - he was taken off in the 82 min and replaced with David Connolly (my god!!!!).Connolly had been performing well in training during the World Cup, I remember telling my brother Connolly had come on, and he said "good, he's been banging them in in training"

NeilMcD

13/03/2008, 5:09 PM

And yet you will still find a fair few Ian Harte supporters on here despite the fact that 6 years ago in Korea he was a liability defensively (lacking pace and positional sense) and I don't think he has improved since.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=870

You still love Jason McAteer despite the fact he was crap many times for us, all because he scored the goal against Holland. Sure Harte has scored vital goals before maybe not as dramatic as that. To me Harte an McAteer are on the same level

paul_oshea

13/03/2008, 5:26 PM

ya they are both crap.

NO in fairness mcateer had some decent games for us. At least he never DIRECTLY caused goals for us....harte running backwards looking in front of us used always get in trouble.

Stuttgart88

13/03/2008, 5:57 PM

The point I'm trying to get across is why people on foot.ie are constantly clinging to flavours of the month and claiming that they "deserve" a place in the squad. What a lot of people fail to grasp is that for a new squad player to come in somebody has to go out. So while Garvan, Tabb or whoever might be good or playing well. If Carsley, Ireland, S.Reid, Andy Reid or whoever is playing better then they DON'T deserve a place in the squad and that's the case. Most of the players people around here as "undiscovered talents" are championship players playing at a lower level than the people they're competing for a place for and have no international experience.

We've endured 2 years of Stan calling every joe lapira up on these premises and it needs to stop. If they're good enough for Ireland they'll be good enough for a top league team, it's simple. I'd be quite happy if Trap ignored every championship outfield player not named Clinton Morrison to be honest.Not quite true. The point I've been trying to make across various threads is that, as an example, Liam lawrence would have been a better choice at RHM than Andy Keogh against Germany. I'm all for giving promising kids a chance, though I think we shouldn't be unnecessarily diminishing our U21 team, but a Championship right sided midfielder is surely better than a Championnship forward at right midfield.

Furthermore, I'd always go with the better player, not the player at the club in the higher division. There are championship players more than capable of playing well in a good international team, it's a question of looking at them on merit and judging on how they'd fare in a team dynamic. As said before, you don't want to populate the whole squad with Championship players but some Championship players are among our best 23 so if they're good enough, pick them.

Also, you can't say that to be good enough for Ireland means you're good enough for a top league team. If A causes B, it doesn't also mean that B causes A. Simple logical error!

NeilMcD

13/03/2008, 6:00 PM

Yeah when Beenhakker took over at Poland he picked players on merit and awful lot of the players he picked where from the Polish league, rather than players playing abroad etc. They qualified top of their group in some style due to the fact that they had a great team ethic.

backstothewall

13/03/2008, 6:25 PM

The point I'm trying to get across is why people on foot.ie are constantly clinging to flavours of the month and claiming that they "deserve" a place in the squad. What a lot of people fail to grasp is that for a new squad player to come in somebody has to go out. So while Garvan, Tabb or whoever might be good or playing well. If Carsley, Ireland, S.Reid, Andy Reid or whoever is playing better then they DON'T deserve a place in the squad and that's the case. Most of the players people around here as "undiscovered talents" are championship players playing at a lower level than the people they're competing for a place for and have no international experience.

We've endured 2 years of Stan calling every joe lapira up on these premises and it needs to stop. If they're good enough for Ireland they'll be good enough for a top league team, it's simple. I'd be quite happy if Trap ignored every championship outfield player not named Clinton Morrison to be honest.

I agree completely

There is a case for taking a punt on a young player and calling him up. But not in every squad, and certainly not 3 or 4 of them.

If we are to do that we should be doing it in positions where we are weak (I don't think midfield could be described as such given the earlier list).

The classic example of this working is Johnny Evans for the north. He hadn't made his full league debut when he was called up, but was thrown in at the deep end and on the back of his international performances his career has flourished. Without that chance at international level i would suggest he would not be in the Premier League right now.

The positions we are undoubtably weakest in right now are at full back, left back particularly. So rather than calling up untried midfielders, would it not be better to call up an untried left back and see how he gets on??

Stephen O'Halloran would have fitted the bill perfectly, and once fit I would love to see him get his chance.

Stuttgart88

13/03/2008, 6:39 PM

I agree completely

There is a case for taking a punt on a young player and calling him up. But not in every squad, and certainly not 3 or 4 of them.

If we are to do that we should be doing it in positions where we are weak (I don't think midfield could be described as such given the earlier list).

The classic example of this working is Johnny Evans for the north. He hadn't made his full league debut when he was called up, but was thrown in at the deep end and on the back of his international performances his career has flourished. Without that chance at international level i would suggest he would not be in the Premier League right now.

The positions we are undoubtably weakest in right now are at full back, left back particularly. So rather than calling up untried midfielders, would it not be better to call up an untried left back and see how he gets on??

Stephen O'Halloran would have fitted the bill perfectly, and once fit I would love to see him get his chance.

Actually, what you're saying is that you agree with me, and disagree with Ciaran:) Pick the players on their merit, not on where their club is in the league table.

Also, you don't think our midfield is weak? I'll put this to you: when was the last time you were happy with the performance of our midfield pairing? Off the top of my head I'd say Keane & Kilbane in Paris in October '04 (I think). We've been shyte in central midfield in almost every competitive game since, and most of the friendlies.

tetsujin1979

13/03/2008, 6:59 PM

If A causes B, it doesn't also mean that B causes A. Simple logical error!
it means that Not B OR A is always true! ah predicate logic....

I'll put this to you: when was the last time you were happy with the performance of our midfield pairing?
Thought Potter and Kilbane were decent against Ecuador. Not world beating, but solid.

Stuttgart88

13/03/2008, 7:15 PM

Potter & Reid in Denmark were decent, and Gibson did well too when he came on. That's why I added the rider though! I thought it's been obvious for ages that we're lacking a properly competive central midfield. If CM is holding its own then our lack of cover at CB isn't as exposed etc. etc.

paul_oshea

13/03/2008, 7:17 PM

it means that Not B OR A is always true! ah predicate logic....

nevermind!

geysir

13/03/2008, 8:12 PM

finnpark

13/03/2008, 9:05 PM

Joey O'Brien MOTM 2night for Bolton Wanderers in Europe. Hes only about 21, Ireland's best prospect along with Long.

Irish_Praha

13/03/2008, 9:26 PM

Joey O'Brien MOTM 2night for Bolton Wanderers in Europe. Hes only about 21, Ireland's best prospect along with Long.

Where was he playing? RB or CMF?

finnpark

13/03/2008, 10:00 PM

Where was he playing? RB or CMF?

CMF

Hes really come on this season. The last time he played for Ireland he was just back from injury and was really rusty. Hes getting better with every game.

paul_oshea

13/03/2008, 10:14 PM

kingdom hoop

13/03/2008, 11:55 PM

What Ciaran wrote was
'If Carsley, Ireland, S.Reid, Andy Reid or whoever is playing better then they (the rawer talent) DON'T deserve a place in the squad and that's the case'
That statement doesn't need much correction, it's basically saying pick your best players.

Statements of the obvious don't need much correction. :)

But you've done Ciaran a favour there; he was coming out with some awful silly stuff. (For one thing he equated being deserving of a squad place with what league a player plays in.) Anyway, the important point is that we've max 15 players who are genuine Premiership players, so the next ten in line are either struggling in the Premiership or showing well in the Championship.

But we shouldn't be infatuated with what league someone plays in. Be realistic: Talent is talent, and is obvious. Necessity is necessity, and forces your arm. Garvan might be in with a shout as he looks like a natural. Delaney or Ledger might be in with a shout because of necessity. We just have to accept that after our top bunch there isn't much difference between the rest so just sit back, relax and wait for Trap to weave his magic. Nah, screw that, Rowlands for Ireland!

eirebhoy

14/03/2008, 8:05 AM

Kerr and Macari thought he was Bolton's best player too. They showed 5 or 6 clips of him winning possession. They say he put in tremendous effort.

Stuttgart88

14/03/2008, 8:44 AM

Statements of the obvious don't need much correction. :)

But you've done Ciaran a favour there; he was coming out with some awful silly stuff. (For one thing he equated being deserving of a squad place with what league a player plays in.) Anyway, the important point is that we've max 15 players who are genuine Premiership players, so the next ten in line are either struggling in the Premiership or showing well in the Championship.

But we shouldn't be infatuated with what league someone plays in. Be realistic: Talent is talent, and is obvious. Necessity is necessity, and forces your arm. Garvan might be in with a shout as he looks like a natural. Delaney or Ledger might be in with a shout because of necessity.
Well said that man.

Correct on those CM performances Geysir, but it's pretty sad when you can count good midfield performances in the last few years on the fingers of one hand.

youngirish

14/03/2008, 9:34 AM

i watched, thought he was good, but i dont think i would go to far as to say he was the best. They all did well, nothing spectacular.

the thing is they probably could have won it had they sent out their best side....

I would agree. He was mostly solid (made a couple of mistakes) but rarely spectacular. He was one of Bolton's best players though in a night where few of their team shined.

My only worry with Joey is that he looks much bigger and more sluggish since his long lay off for his injury. I remember at Sheffield Wednesday he looked more dynamic and seemed to have an extra yard of pace. He scored a few goals there also. I hope his injury isn't continuing to have a negative effect on his development.

Saying that if O'Brien is regularly playing the holding role for Bolton though (as he has been doing for the last few weeks) I'd stick him in the Ireland team ahead of Carsley who I think is a nothing player. Joey can at least pass the ball and is decent in the air (useful in a midfield of short arses). I'm aware he was rubbish against Cyprus in the same position but he hadn't played there for Bolton at the time in a long time (about a year and a half).

livehead1

14/03/2008, 9:53 AM

I'd stick him in the Ireland team ahead of Carsley who I think is a nothing player. Joey can at least pass the ball and is decent in the air (useful in a midfield of short arses). I'm aware he was rubbish against Cyprus in the same position but he hadn't played there for Bolton at the time in a long time (about a year and a half).

You don't get in that Everton team by being a 'nothing' player.

youngirish

14/03/2008, 10:01 AM

You don't get in that Everton team by being a 'nothing' player.

Just don't rate him man. Before the Cyprus away debacle under Stan nobody was clamouring for him to be in our team. Afterwards when he was recalled and we drew with the Czechs everyone was saying how essential he was in the holding midfield role. However in the course of the campaign he didn't really make any difference to our results. We still had some terrible results when he was playing and conceeded some atrocious goals. He offers nothing going forward either which I believe a good International defensive midfielder should provide on occasion (unfortunately this is also a problem with O'Brien at present). I really believe we need to find a better option in that position if we want to beat Bulgaria to second spot in the group.

Our only possible alternatives available now or on the horizon before the campaign kicks into gear are S Reid, J O'Brien or Garvan.

Actually critical postions that need sorting for Ireland before our campaign kicks off are:

Left Back
Right Back (hopefully Fnnan will come back)
Centre Back (McShane, Ledger or O'Dea need to step up their game within the next 6 months)
Holding Midfield

We have no hope of qualifying if O'Shea, Carsley, S Kelly and Kilbane are all starting regularly in the same team.

BigmanCas

14/03/2008, 10:07 AM

You would stick him in ahead of Carsley?

Talk sense man. Carsley has done nothing wrong. Albeit not his biggest fan and while we have performed dreadfully in some games since Cyprus - we haven't conceeded many goals. Trapp would pisk Carsley before O Brien to hold midfield. What about the home game against Cyprus???????????????? He was shocking!!!!!

jbyrne

14/03/2008, 10:09 AM

Our only possible alternatives available now or on the horizon before the campaign kicks into gear are S Reid, J O'Brien or Garvan.

the old s reid for ctre mid rears its head again. just dont see him being a better option than carsley. hopefully he proves me wrong but have seen nothing in s reaid that convinces me he can do a job for us in any position

the other two are untried and yet to be proven. carsley is our best option at the moment and seems to be playing really well for everton (currently 4th in the EPL)

paul_oshea

14/03/2008, 10:20 AM

Just don't rate him man. Before the Cyprus away debacle under Stan nobody was clamouring for him to be in our team. Afterwards when he was recalled and we drew with the Czechs everyone was saying how essential he was in the holding midfield role. However in the course of the campaign he didn't really make any difference to our results. We still had some terrible results when he was playing and conceeded some atrocious goals. He offers nothing going forward either which I believe a good International defensive midfielder should provide on occasion (unfortunately this is also a problem with O'Brien at present). I really believe we need to find a better option in that position if we want to beat Bulgaria to second spot in the group.

Our only possible alternatives available now or on the horizon before the campaign kicks into gear are S Reid, J O'Brien or Garvan.

Actually critical postions that need sorting for Ireland before our campaign kicks off are:

Left Back
Right Back (hopefully Fnnan will come back)
Centre Back (McShane, Ledger or O'Dea need to step up their game within the next 6 months)
Holding Midfield

We have no hope of qualifying if O'Shea, Carsley, S Kelly and Kilbane are all starting regularly in the same team.

YI, id very much agree with this stance, I was thinking that we lack a player that has a get up and go and a driving force attitude on the pitch. Its a pity, cos thats what we really need to qualify, and when you have a player like that in a holding/defensive midfield role it can be a real catalyst. A la keane/mcgrath/townsend sorta player, in attitude I mean.

youngirish

14/03/2008, 10:21 AM

Talk sense man. Carsley has done nothing wrong. Albeit not his biggest fan and while we have performed dreadfully in some games since Cyprus - we haven't conceeded many goals.

Doesn't anyone think this might be more to do with kicking big nose A O'Brien out of the team (who was terrible against Cyprus and hadn't played regular football in months) and replacing Paddy Kenny with Shay Given than just the introduction of Carsley? Anyway we still conceeded shocking goals to Slovakia, San Marino and Wales.

What about the home game against Cyprus???????????????? He was shocking!!!!!
As mentioned previously he was only back after a season of injury. I hope he would do a far better job if he's playing regularly in this position for Bolton (this has to be a condition for his inclusion).

Anyway it needn't be O'Brien that replaces Carsley. I'm happy enough to try other alternatives. Carsley is a pretty poor player let's be honest. Only JOS and Kilbane are less deserving of a place in our starting 11.

dr_peepee

14/03/2008, 11:04 AM

Well it's back to my old rant. I think we need 2 men protecting the back four and freeing up/complimenting the more creative technical players at our disposal.

Didn't see O'Brien but pleased at what I have read.

This now gives a bit of depth for those anchoring players so now it's two from Carsley, SReid and O'Brien.

With Ireland or Andy Reid ahead flanked by two from Duff, McGeady and Keane

With a lone front man to do a thankless job of tying to provide an arial threat, work the channels, hold the ball up and bring others into the game.

I've said this a few times but I think this formation compliments the players we have at our disposal and provides consistency by insulating the formation from absences of Key personnel. Not to mention having Steven Hunt and arguably Liam Lawrence for a plan B.

geysir

14/03/2008, 11:38 AM

BigmanCas

14/03/2008, 12:21 PM

Doesn't anyone think this might be more to do with kicking big nose A O'Brien out of the team (who was terrible against Cyprus and hadn't played regular football in months) and replacing Paddy Kenny with Shay Given than just the introduction of Carsley? Anyway we still conceeded shocking goals to Slovakia, San Marino and Wales.

As mentioned previously he was only back after a season of injury. I hope he would do a far better job if he's playing regularly in this position for Bolton (this has to be a condition for his inclusion).

Anyway it needn't be O'Brien that replaces Carsley. I'm happy enough to try other alternatives. Carsley is a pretty poor player let's be honest. Only JOS and Kilbane are less deserving of a place in our starting 11.

There was no presence in the centre of the park against Cyprus in Cyprus. Kevin Kilbane was deployed in the role. While not ideal - he had absolutely no support from Stephan Ireland. Carsley is our only recognised holding midfielder.

tetsujin1979

14/03/2008, 1:45 PM

I think need to look seriously when they declare there's a "crisis" at left back when Kilbane hasn't put a foot wrong in that position.Did you actually watch him play left full in the Cyprus and Brazil games?
He was woefully out of position, kept moving into the centre of defence and gave the opposing wingers an acre of space to move into

paul_oshea

14/03/2008, 1:52 PM

well if he thinks "harte can come into FORM", then he must be in cuckoo land. Harte was never in form. doesnt have a clue.

youngirish

14/03/2008, 2:22 PM

Did you actually watch him play left full in the Cyprus and Brazil games?
He was woefully out of position, kept moving into the centre of defence and gave the opposing wingers an acre of space to move into

You missed his worst performance there against the Dutch at home. God he was terrible. He made John O'Sh*te look like Roberto Carlos.

FarBeag

14/03/2008, 2:42 PM

Look at any of our games over the past 2 years. The problem has never been sloppy defending (or well the main problem at least). The problem has been in midfield, mainly keeping possession and passing. I think need to look seriously when they declare there's a "crisis" at left back when Kilbane hasn't put a foot wrong in that position. I think the "crisis" is that we need a functioning midfield that can win the possession game and bring our strikers into the game.

We can worry about average full backs later though even then I think it's a non issue. Dunne, O Shea, Kelly, Kilbane and McShane are all competent premiership defenders. We're fine with 4 of those. If Finnan and O Brien return and Harte hits form again we're laughing.
I swear if some people around here had their way they'd have our entire team full of under 23 championship players. :rolleyes:

My God I have heard it all now. I don't know how old you are or how long you have been watching football, but one thing I have managed to figure out is that you don't know very much about it. We will be laughing when Ian Harte hits form according to you. I think you are having a laugh by even mentioning his name, maybe I am wrong and i hope i am but I will be surprised if both Finnan and O'Brien come back.
You then go on to say that Dunne, O Shea, Kelly, Kilbane and McShane are all competent premiership defenders. Richard Dunne is the only one unless you have seen something in the others that I sure have not.
We have the nucleus of a good team, about 15 players as was mentioned earlier and we have some very good players who play week in week out in the championship. Many of them are very close to being as good as some in that 15.I am sure a few will be playing premiership football next year therefore using your reasoning should jump up into the top ten or so. Anyway I would love for you to go watch a few championship games and watch out for the Irish lads playing in them.Then come back in a few months and I bet your assessment and view on these players will be a whole lot more positive.

jmurphyc

14/03/2008, 4:18 PM

I think need to look seriously when they declare there's a "crisis" at left back when Kilbane hasn't put a foot wrong in that position. I think the "crisis" is that we need a functioning midfield that can win the possession game and bring our strikers into the game.

We can worry about average full backs later though even then I think it's a non issue. Dunne, O Shea, Kelly, Kilbane and McShane are all competent premiership defenders.

Wow! We clearly DO have an issue at left back. We have been using players out of position for a long time in that position. You talk about not needing to look at the championship, but we really do need to look thoroughly around other divisions aside from the Premier League because we don't have anyone who is a natural left back. I'm really hoping that O'Halloran can start getting games as he seems like the solution.

If Kilbane is playing at left back again in an Ireland shirt then pay close attention to him. If he is to play for us at left back then he needs to seriously improve his positioning, otherwise he's not deserving of a place there. At the momentI would go with O'Shea, although again, it's not his best position either IMO. As for Harte coming back, after seeing him against San Marino I am hoping he never plays for us again. I have nothing against him, but from open play he adds absolutely nothing to the side.

Why do you continue to have a go at people saying we should look to the championship? Surely a championship player who has comparable ability to someone in his position in the premiership is a better bet if they are playing regularly football and the Premiership player isn't? Look what happened with Andy O'Brien in Cyprus. We should be looking for the best talent, irrespective of which club they play for. It's that attitude that has caused England to play Lampard and Gerrard in the same team for years and then wonder why they underachieve.

tetsujin1979

14/03/2008, 4:39 PM

You missed his worst performance there against the Dutch at home. God he was terrible. He made John O'Sh*te look like Roberto Carlos.
You sure he played left full in that game?
Accoridng to this - http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/matchdetails.php?id=422 - Finnan, O'Shea, Andy O'Brien and Carr were the defenders that day, surely one of Finnan or Carr was left full?

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Just checked the post match thread here - http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=38516&highlight=finnan - Finnan started at left full

Diarmo

14/03/2008, 4:46 PM

youngirish

14/03/2008, 5:06 PM

If I remember correctly Kilbane dropped back to LB when Carr went off at half time.... I remember that defense being taken apart again and again.... For a while it looked like we had a back three of John O'Shea, Andy O'Brien and Kevin Kilbane. I don't think my heart has ever quite recovered.

True he switched to left back in the second half and we were subsequently torn apart due to some terrible positioning at the back and the poorest rehearsed offside trap in the history of International football.

danonion

14/03/2008, 9:10 PM

In defence if Harte he might be getting first team football right now if Stokes didn't redirect two perfect free kicks wide of the goal in that premier league game he started.

feo123

14/03/2008, 9:44 PM

liam lawrence has been one of the best midfielders in the championship over the last couple of months, always liked him when he was with sunderland never got a real chance for ireland though. would definatly give him a few games. same for clinton, had a decent record for us, no matter what anyone says. should be looking at owen garvan from b'burns reserves too, lovely player! not to start yet but maybe to just bring him into the squad and bring him on and in a couple of years he could be very good