Graeme Souness and RTE [Archive] - Page 2

onephillyhughes

02/11/2007, 4:57 PM

Disaster:rolleyes:... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...

Fcuking hell man. He took over a club who had just missed out on Champions League qualification the season before, whose previous three finishes were 4th 3rd 5th, and a club that was back playing attractive football.

He left a squad torn apart by unneccessary sales of key and squad players, ravaged by muscle injuries mostly picked up in training. There was no planning involved in his reign, his selections were poor, he proved to be tactically inept. Glenn Roeder barely saved them from relegation. In terms of on his appointment declaring that this was the best squad he had the 'pleaseure' of working with, being expected to finish top 6 and only managing a low mid table position, ripping apart a talented squad and signing players like Boumsong and Faye, he was a disaster:rolleyes:

Ceirtlis

02/11/2007, 7:38 PM

Disaster:rolleyes:... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...

I wish there was a head shaking smiley instead of this fool of a thing :rolleyes::rolleyes: for comments like this. Philly Hughes summed it up perfectly.

dr_peepee

04/11/2007, 1:47 PM

Fcuking hell man. He took over a club who had just missed out on Champions League qualification the season before, whose previous three finishes were 4th 3rd 5th, and a club that was back playing attractive football.

He left a squad torn apart by unneccessary sales of key and squad players, ravaged by muscle injuries mostly picked up in training. There was no planning involved in his reign, his selections were poor, he proved to be tactically inept. Glenn Roeder barely saved them from relegation. In terms of on his appointment declaring that this was the best squad he had the 'pleaseure' of working with, being expected to finish top 6 and only managing a low mid table position, ripping apart a talented squad and signing players like Boumsong and Faye, he was a disaster:rolleyes:

Look... I don't have Sounness on some sort of pedestal. He's not as bad an option as some of you are making out is all I'm saying. He's not alone in failing at Newcastle... His record as a club manager in deceptively good, even if you exclude Rangers.

I feel the that next manager of Ireland is gonna need more than just an in depth technical knowledge of the game, given what has set in with the squad.

jebus

04/11/2007, 3:20 PM

I like Souness, and I'm glad to see that this thread has yet to have any nonsense about an ex-Rangers man being an Irish manager. Personally I think Souness could be cut out for the job, he wouldn't be my first choice (Jol would be mine), but to get spirited performances out of the Irish team I think he could do it.

As for his managerial career, he did good stuff with Rangers and Galatasary, failed at Benfica, joined a Southampton team that was in free-fall and couldn't stop it, failed like every other Newcastle manager, and did a good job at Blackburn, but brought them as far as he could. Not a great record, not a bad record, but until Ireland get more credible candidates to declare an interest I'd have to say he has a good chance of getting the job

shakermaker1982

04/11/2007, 3:45 PM

If Souness and O'Leary are the only available candidates at this moment in time then we should keep on looking. I honestly believe that if we take on either of these two men then we'll continue to be treading water in the murky waters of international football. Whatever slim chance we have of qualifying for the World Cup in 2010 becomes anorexic. I personally would prefer to go down the 'foreign' route if Steve Coppell/Hodgson wasn't availalble or not interested.

Noelys Guitar

04/11/2007, 3:45 PM

Duff played his best football under Souness at Blackburn. He might be a reasonable manager. Then again..

kingdom hoop

04/11/2007, 4:12 PM

I always found him to be a very annoying person as a club manager but since he's come to RTE he's gone way up in my estimation and I now could almost say that I like him. :eek: He seems to have a bit of a sense of humour at least which never came across before, and what I like a lot from recent interviews is his declaration that he thinks it would be a great job to get given the quality of the squad, presumably with that corresponding to him having reasonably high expectations.

I think his CV is ok, did well in cup competitions with Blackburn and Newcastle and has had a taste of Turkish, Italian and Portugese leagues over the years. His biggest weaknesses seemed to be poor transfer dealings and rubbing players up the wrong way from time to time. The former might suggest he isn't a great judge of a player's talents. But I wouldn't be that worried about his man management skills given he won't be meeting the players everyday and with international football I think he'd be less combustible without the constant stress. Overall, he wouldn't be my ideal, but at the same time I wouldn't be overly disappointed if he got the job.

For anyone who didn't see him, or was too drunk to remember, discuss his interest with Darragh Moloney on RTE last night, you can see it by scrolling down to the bottom of this page (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1104/sounessg.html) and clicking the link.

geysir

04/11/2007, 4:14 PM

Duff played his best football under Souness at Blackburn. He might be a reasonable manager. Then again
Nah, surely Duff played his best football under the great Mick McCarthy for Ireland. Recognized by him being picked in the WC 2002 team of that tournament.

Irish_Praha

04/11/2007, 4:34 PM

Remind me how much football Duff has played lately? I think the new manager should be selected purely on how well he will get on with Duff. People here crack me up sometimes.

In fairness he was only trying to point out some plus points and didn't say that was the main reason he wouldn't mind Souness being appointed.
On that point I think Duff arguably played his best football under Claudio Ranieri at Chelsea, scoring and setting up goals in the Champions League for one of the top 4 teams in the Premiership.

kingdom hoop

04/11/2007, 4:36 PM

I think the new manager should be selected purely on how well he will get on with Duff. People here crack me up sometimes.

Where was that said? It was merely put forth as a point to be tabulated in the Graeme Souness balance sheet. Relax dude! Perhaps the reason people crack you up is because you sometimes take wild interpretations out of innocuous comments. Now that's the kinda **** that cracks me up. :)

Fergie's Son

04/11/2007, 4:43 PM

I'd be very worried about this appointment.

Smacks of desperation. Can't see anything that Souness would bring to the set-up. of course, I can't see a decent coach actually agreeing to manage Ireland.

kingdom hoop

04/11/2007, 5:06 PM

Suddenly because he gets paid to appear as a pundit on Irish programmes he's the next messiah.

:D Once again a lovely extrapolation of my comment where I said that, as a person, from a lowly depth, Souness has risen in my estimations after getting to see him in a different environment. From seeing him on TV I've changed my opinion of him from him being an obnoxious ***** to being a decent enough sort. If you want to infer that to mean I think he is the saviour then I don't like you. Anyway leaving that aside, why do you think he'd be a disaster?

Plastic Paddy

04/11/2007, 5:59 PM

I'd be very worried about this appointment.

Smacks of desperation.

which is exactly why I suggested it because

of course, I can't see a decent coach actually agreeing to manage Ireland.

:ball: PP

RogerMilla

05/11/2007, 8:58 AM

I think Coppell is the man. And as for what you see on TV, it ain't all what it appears to be, believe me. Anyone can make themselves likeable.

but surely he is contracted at reading ? FAI will need to get someone appointed before they try to punt all these friendly tickets at croker , thats for sure.

bohsRap

05/11/2007, 9:47 AM

... who is prepared to win over our pampered luvvies, gain their trust and get them together again.

Isn't that exactly what Stan was appointed for and tried to do?
We need someone who will give them a kick up the arse and get them working.

bohsRap

05/11/2007, 10:52 AM

Coppell is more than capable of doing that.

Yes, but unfortunately Coppell is unavailable for the job.

dr_peepee

05/11/2007, 11:13 AM

Coppell is more than capable of doing that.

But he has an incredibly boring voice...

onephillyhughes

05/11/2007, 11:50 AM

One of Souness' jobs at Newcastle was to win over a dressing room of 'rolls royce' players, as Freddie Shepherd put it. What happened? He didn't win them over, he didnt change the bling culture that was at Newcastle. Dyer and Bowyer tried to knock lumps out of each other. He couldn't control Bellamy. He couldn't stop Jenas' demise as a Newcastle player. So going on that, he failed one of the major tasks he was given, a tast similar to what some people say he will have to do here. And I haven't even touched on the sh!te football his teams play...

As a pundit I actually like what he has to say. But a good, knowledgable pundit does not make a good manager, and here I think we have the perfect example.

Scram

05/11/2007, 11:51 AM

One of Souness' jobs at Newcastle was to win over a dressing room of 'rolls royce' players, as Freddie Shepherd put it. What happened? He didn't win them over, he didnt change the bling culture that was at Newcastle. Dyer and Bowyer tried to knock lumps out of each other. He couldn't control Bellamy. He couldn't stop Jenas' demise as a Newcastle player. So going on that, he failed one of the major tasks he was given.

As a pundit I actually like what he has to say. But a good, knowledgable pundit does not make a good manager, and here I think we have the perfect example.

Agree with all that, and he also fell out with every club he was at.

Paulie

05/11/2007, 12:41 PM

Souness should not be let near the Irish team. He should be judged on his managerial record alone but I think that some people see him doing well as a pundit and ignore that from the 8 or so clubs he has managed that he did pretty badly at five of those clubs. I wonder how many of the people talking him up for the job would have done so before he became a pundit on RTE. I would say very few. I like him as pundit myself but I do not want him as our next manager. There seems to be money available so why not aim a little higher? As John Giles said, put a couple of million on the table and you'll be amazed who will want the job.

RogerMilla

05/11/2007, 12:52 PM

couldnt agree more paulie , let it be known that there is serious wedge for the holder of the position and it becomes far more prestigious. I mean how many countries have 50,000 people coming to see them play cyprus ??

EalingGreen

05/11/2007, 1:17 PM

It's looking like you needn't worry too much about whether Souness would make a good ROI manager or not.

With Hutchings having been sacked by Wigan this morning, "Skybet" latest odds have Souness as 2/1 ON (favourite) to take over. The next shortest odds are 8/1 AGAINST for Hoddle, Jewell and Pearce.

geysir

05/11/2007, 1:40 PM

We were only wondering if he would be a good Manager for Ireland.

Souness rejected the Bolton job when it was offered to him. Isn't Wigan much of a muchness?

Dr. Ogba

05/11/2007, 1:42 PM

Maybe he's making a cunning ploy by using these rumours linking him with "top" clubs in order to get top dollar from the FAI....

He's a clever guy that Souness fellah!

RogerMilla

05/11/2007, 2:07 PM

EG dont go tellin' me you actually trust the bookies evaluations of who will be the next manager of a team. quickest way to the poorhouse....

EalingGreen

05/11/2007, 2:22 PM

EG dont go tellin' me you actually trust the bookies evaluations of who will be the next manager of a team. quickest way to the poorhouse....

It's not a case of "trusting" bookies, rather it's a case of following the money and with those odds, Skybet clearly didn't want to take money on Souness, but were hoping to take a few bob on the others.

Unfortunately for them, they were unsuccessful, since they didn't receive a single enquiry about anyone other than Souness. Consequently, they have now closed the book entirely!

My guess is that Souness is in talks with Wigan right now and if they can agree terms, it'll happen.

youngirish

05/11/2007, 2:27 PM

It's not a case of "trusting" bookies, rather it's a case of following the money and with those odds, Skybet clearly didn't want to take money on Souness, but were hoping to take a few bob on the others.

Unfortunately for them, they were unsuccessful, since they didn't receive a single enquiry about anyone other than Souness. Consequently, they have now closed the book entirely!

My guess is that Souness is in talks with Wigan right now and if they can agree terms, it'll happen.
Hope your right. It will get him out of the Ireland running and significantly reduce Wigan's survival chances which could help save one of the other struggling teams that have a decent Irish contingent (Birmingham, Reading or Sunderland). A season in the Championship might see Kevin Kilbane frozen out of the Irish setup which would be another bonus.

Scram

05/11/2007, 4:48 PM

danonion

06/11/2007, 4:03 AM

One thing for Souness, he seems to genuinely want the job. Didn't Houllier drop some gem about being to good for it?

RogerMilla

06/11/2007, 1:00 PM

My guess is that Souness is in talks with Wigan right now and if they can agree terms, it'll happen.

makes no sense to turn down bolton and accept wigan...

shakermaker1982

06/11/2007, 4:31 PM

makes no sense to turn down bolton and accept wigan...

I thought he pulled out on principle? He was upset at the fact that the guy who was doing the interviewing for the Bolton post was in fact Gary Megson's agent and best mate? Megson had to then come out and say this fella was just his mate and he had never previously hired him, only asked him for advice and to sit in on meetings. Beggars can't be choosers. If offered it he'll snap Whelan's hand off!

backstothewall

06/11/2007, 9:52 PM

One word for Souness with regards to the Irish job....unemployable.

Look at it from an FAI perspective...do they need to take another risk? Give them some credit, if they do interview Souness it will be purely a case of going through the motions. He has as much a chance of getting a job as a presenter on Strictly Come Dancing.

Souness is one of the better candidates. I would far prefer him to Aldridge or O'Leary

The Rangers boo boys would just have to deal with it. If he is interviewed and is the best man for the job why should he not get it?

dr_peepee

07/11/2007, 3:05 PM

For all the nay sayers!!!

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_2863140,00.html

Ordinary Fan

07/11/2007, 10:12 PM

Oh it might just be worth appointing Souness for all the Celtic-Irish fans who disgrace all Irish fans with the booing of any player whoever played for Rangers.
Would they boo souness everytime he appeared on the field?

But been stuck stuck with another rubbish manager for 2 years would not be worth such a simple pleasure.

RoyHodgson is the best man for the job.

NeilMcD

07/11/2007, 10:20 PM

They should have asked him about it on Sky tonight as both him and Souness were on the show.

eirebhoy

07/11/2007, 10:30 PM

Oh it might just be worth appointing Souness for all the Celtic-Irish fans who disgrace all Irish fans with the booing of any player whoever played for Rangers.
Would they boo souness everytime he appeared on the field?

What a mountain out of a molehill this is. I can't believe people still talk about it.

Facts:
* The majority of the crowd booed the Rangers players. Many of them not knowing the reasons.
* It was all over the media. Politicians even asked the fans to stop.
* We play Australia and the Rangers players aren't booed.

That was it.

backstothewall

07/11/2007, 10:38 PM

And in fairness they weren't playing for us, they were the opposition. I remember thinking at the time your meant to boo them for nothing.

Gave me a good laugh a few years later when it led to the 'Ireland B' fans and media putting over the line that they weren't boing John Hartson because he played for Celtic, it was for some other variety of other unrelated reasons.

But its not about the players anymore. A Rangers fan has as much right to enjoy an Ireland game as anyone else

sadloserkid

07/11/2007, 10:38 PM

I sincerely hope Ireland gets the manager its fans deserves.

Sammy Lee it is then. Or maybe Gavin Dykes.

And Souness, charismatic reinvention as a pundit aside wouldn't pull up any trees as the boss and as a wise man has pointed out here already 2 more years of abject trite (at a minimum) is just too high a price to pay for the pleasure of upsetting the more moronic elements of our support.

The problem, and the reason that has beens and never wases like Souness are the only ones fluttering their eyelashes at the position, is that's it's a pretty crap job and whatever about the rhetoric spouted from certain angles about the supposed avalanche of talent coming through the ranks, it's waaaaaaay too high-risk for anybody with any clout to consider chancing their arm with.

centre mid

27/11/2007, 2:46 PM

Now that Scotland are managerless, will Souness count himself out of the running for the Irish job, I presume he would want the Scottish job?

drummerboy

27/11/2007, 3:35 PM

Could be a blessing in disguise for us.

eekers

27/11/2007, 3:37 PM

i dont think he's in the running at all for the ireland job

centre mid

27/11/2007, 3:40 PM

He thinks he is and his friends in montrose did a pre-interview for him

OwlsFan

27/11/2007, 3:48 PM

Now that Scotland are managerless, will Souness count himself out of the running for the Irish job, I presume he would want the Scottish job?

There's already a thread on Souness :rolleyes:

Lawrenson stated that Souness is not interested and that he wants to buy and run a club himself.